NV 6800 Interview

kinney · Apr 16, 2004

You are the only one willing to say such things that are quite obviously the truth.

I'm just taking glee in throwing it in everyones face that is denying those things.

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kinney · Apr 16, 2004

Well, its not really the midrange card. The XT was meant for a full 6 months later, but it was pushed ahead.

The X800XT is ATIs fall card being positioned against NV's spring NV40.

It doesnt really matter, as it is nice that now the performance bar has been raised.
But no one can deny that NV has played an equal part in that with ATI with the NV40 release.
The R300 core brought us the NV40 and NV40 might bring on its defeat as well.
If not (as I predict), it will be a near equal race.

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Slava · Apr 16, 2004

But MAYBE, if ALOT of you gang up and spew disgusting insults your garner some warm feeling inside?

You've wasted enough of my time with your mindless waste of bandwidth

kinney, I don't always agree with your opinions but one thing is clear: you are an intelligent, thinking man. Everyone here who can see that will treat you with respect no matter what some 13-year old pricks say. Don't waste your time and emotion on rebutting their crap. . .

Stingy people end up paying double. One kick-ass rig that will go strong for three years or one half-decent one every year? 😎

cleeve · Apr 16, 2004

Well, its not really the midrange card. The XT was meant for a full 6 months later, but it was pushed ahead.

What it's "meant" for is irrelevant. What it's competing against is relevant.

I'll tell you Kinney, the most interesting thing that could happen right now is if the X800XT kicks the 6800's ass by about 15% in raw framerates, but with 24-bit precision and no 3.0 shaders.

In this case if you're truly not a fanboy, I would expect you to recommend the X800 because you've said in the past that you're strictly a speed fan and image quality issues in the GeforceFX... like weak shaders, no high-dynamic-range, and poor AA quality... didn't matter to you.

Then the tables will turn of course and I'll be the one defending the 6800's future-looking shader prowess and potential enhanced image quality because of it.

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dhlucke · Apr 16, 2004

WOW! How many C*cks can you fit in your mouth at once? How does it feel to be the wh*re of NVidia's executive team?

ROFLMAO!!!

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Willamette_sucks · Apr 16, 2004

Not having PS3.0 could hinder ATI's performance, not image quality. We'll see if this is actually widely implemented, and what effect it has. I'm all for full 32bit precision 24/7, but think it should stop there. I doubt most people could see the difference between 24 and 32bit FP.

Anyways, the 6800U looks like a great card in every single way possible, and I am in no way counting nVidia out when it comes time to upgade. We'll see what the X800 series brings.

I do lean slightly towards ATI because I believe they are the more moral company at the time, AND I cut out the ATI logo with a dremel on my cases drive-bay door (chieftech dragon)! If I got an nV card I'd have to get a new case (or new door if they sell them).

However, the better product will get my $.

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cleeve · Apr 16, 2004

I should have defined what I meant by "Image Quality" in this case, what I mean is the ability to see certain PS3.0 exclusive effects.

As far as precision, I don't think it will be a real-world issue. I doubt that 32-bit precision will make much of a difference over 24-bit precision.
In comparative screenshots showing the FX cards display banding effects because of their low 16-bit shader precision, the Radeons display no banding at all.
24-bit should be quite sufficient, IMHO.

I'm not so concerned with the corporate morality either, although I am an Ati fan because of the R3xx's series dedication to both image quality and shader power when Nvidia was resting on their laurels. I do think that Nvidia's futuremark cheating is just plain detestable tho.

But the 6800 shows me their laurel resting is at an end. It'll be a tough call if the X800 is a bit faster in the raw speed epartment though.

As always the card I'll buy when the time comes will probably depend more on the financial aspects, i.e. "Which card is the best in my price range"?

But even if the X800 is a tad faster, I'll probably consider the 6800 the ultimate card if it's shader 3.0 capability proves to be an advantage and it's not available on the X800 series.

For me, speed is important... but if one card is displaying 60 fps with better image quality/features, and the other card is displaying 75 fps with less features, I'll go with the 60fps card. That's my priority, it's why I went with the r3xx GPUs in the last round.

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Apr 16, 2004

As far as precision, I don't think it will be a real-world issue. I doubt that 32-bit precision will make much of a difference over 24-bit precision.

And remember the R420 is almost assuredly 32bit throughout. So no precision difference. And right now there is little image difference appearing between the R3XX and the NV3X runnning full precision (although I think that has an effect on the overdraw in AquaM3 IMO), so I doubt that you'd even notice it with the R3XX vs NV4X/R4XX. However the PS3.0 effects as seen on the FarCry add-ins may offer some nice new features. I wonder if it's the missing portions of PS3.0 that will matter, or whether PS 2.Xa/b would be enough to expose the effects in FarCry.

We'll just have to see what happens when ATI releases the R420. Heck we don't even know, FOR SURE, that PS3.0 isn't on the R42X, it's just the current latest rumour/belief.

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cleeve · Apr 16, 2004

I recently read something on the inquirer that suggests that the R420 is 24-bit. But they publish anything, so it certainly isn't certainty.

We'll find out soon tho.

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Titanion · Apr 17, 2004

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kinney · Apr 19, 2004

actually i was a big promoter of the DX9+ features of the NV30 (something that technically, was ahead of its time but lacking on brute force in shaders)

Thing is, DX9C brings out as many performance improvements as IQ.

If I can get equal or better performance with better IQ (shader3.0), I go that route everytime.
Hence my admission the NV30 was trounced by the R300.. you know I'm not biased I stick to my gunz.

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kinney · Apr 19, 2004

kinney, I don't always agree with your opinions but one thing is clear: you are an intelligent, thinking man. Everyone here who can see that will treat you with respect no matter what some 13-year old pricks say. Don't waste your time and emotion on rebutting their crap. . .

Hey, thank you! That was really nice and I really appreciate it. The mob mentality that I face sometimes (because my ideas are unpopular) does get too me a bit sometimes but I try my best to act in the best fashion I can muster.
I've lost it a few times though! :tongue:

You made my day.

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