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Great overview of 3D, I found the intro especially useful as I still was unclear on couple of points about setting up a 3D compatible rig. Having said, I've done some research couple of months back and decided I'd rather go with a multi-monitor setup instead of 3D (going with both is too rich for my blood 
), the extra desktop space and the wider in-game view are much more valuable to me.
It's also a shame that crossfire doesn't work with 3D since you really need all the power you can get to run games that way.
), the extra desktop space and the wider in-game view are much more valuable to me.It's also a shame that crossfire doesn't work with 3D since you really need all the power you can get to run games that way.
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It occurs to me that I would've loved to see comments on the "usefulness" or "effectiveness" of 3D in games, or just a quick description of how exactly it enhances the visuals. For example, based on the cross-view screenshots it seems that games like Civ or WarCraft only use 3D to put the interface on a separate layer as it were, which I would consider a hardly worthwhile effect. (Then again maybe it's just the most obvious effect and I'm missing the rest of it due to only looking at images in cross-view screenshots.)
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[citation][nom]2late2die[/nom]It occurs to me that I would've loved to see comments on the "usefulness" or "effectiveness" of 3D in games, or just a quick description of how exactly it enhances the visuals. For example, based on the cross-view screenshots it seems that games like Civ or WarCraft only use 3D to put the interface on a separate layer as it were, which I would consider a hardly worthwhile effect. (Then again maybe it's just the most obvious effect and I'm missing the rest of it due to only looking at images in cross-view screenshots.)[/citation]
I actually considered that, but it's such a subjective observation that it may be completely useless. Some people love specific 3D games and hate others, and I have my preferences like everybody else but I'm loathe to assume I'm 'right' and report on that.
If you're interested in my opinion tho, the best type of 3D gaming experience in general is racing games because of the constant movement and immersion. Aside from that, certain first person shooters like Crysis 2 are just gorgeous in 3D. My least favorite type of game to play in 3D are RTS titles.
My favorite 3D stereoscopic experience remains Burnout Paradise on a 3D projector and 100" screen. With a bunch of buddies handing out, drinking beer, and smashing cars to our grim delight.
I actually considered that, but it's such a subjective observation that it may be completely useless. Some people love specific 3D games and hate others, and I have my preferences like everybody else but I'm loathe to assume I'm 'right' and report on that.
If you're interested in my opinion tho, the best type of 3D gaming experience in general is racing games because of the constant movement and immersion. Aside from that, certain first person shooters like Crysis 2 are just gorgeous in 3D. My least favorite type of game to play in 3D are RTS titles.
My favorite 3D stereoscopic experience remains Burnout Paradise on a 3D projector and 100" screen. With a bunch of buddies handing out, drinking beer, and smashing cars to our grim delight.
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[citation][nom]the_krasno[/nom]3D is over hyped in my opinion, it will be some more time before games can correctly exploit it.[/citation]
I think it's more of an issue of whether they want to bother to exploit it. My Geforce 2 could do 3D years ago and it worked pretty darn well with Unreal Tournament (overlay was a little messed up), so the tech's been around, game companies just haven't cared enough to do anything with it.
I think it's more of an issue of whether they want to bother to exploit it. My Geforce 2 could do 3D years ago and it worked pretty darn well with Unreal Tournament (overlay was a little messed up), so the tech's been around, game companies just haven't cared enough to do anything with it.
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Tridef has always worked with nvidia cards. I have had 3 different nvidia cards over the last 3 years running tridef with no problem. In fact, the nvidia 3dvision has been less likely to work, only recognizing my display ever few driver releases.
If nvidia was truly shocked that tridef worked on their cards then they are more full of themselves than I thought ( no offense, I love nvidia ), but it is ridiculous that nvidia has no idea what the landscape of the 3D market is... clearly I know more about this than whoever you talked to at nvidia.
If nvidia was truly shocked that tridef worked on their cards then they are more full of themselves than I thought ( no offense, I love nvidia ), but it is ridiculous that nvidia has no idea what the landscape of the 3D market is... clearly I know more about this than whoever you talked to at nvidia.
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Well I couldn't get the Acer HN274H to work with (correction: The Tridef Driver andf a GeForce card) unless it was over HDMI and 3DTV play was installed, which is what i tried based on talking to the TriDef guys. If you have a way to get the newest Nvidia and triDef drivers to consistently work over DVI, please let me know so I can try to replicate the result!
[citation][nom]Cleeve[/nom]Well I couldn't get the Acer HN274H to work with 3D Vision unless it was over HDMI and 3DTV play was installed, which is what i tried based on talking to the TriDef guys. If you have a way to get the newest Nvidia and triDef drivers to consistently work over DVI, please let me know so I can try to replicate the result![/citation]
Was that a typo? I have that monitor, and have been using it over DVI-D for the past few months.
Was that a typo? I have that monitor, and have been using it over DVI-D for the past few months.
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I purchased and returned the Samsung S27A750D recently. The experience was ok with a nvidia gpu and 3D TV Play. I used 1080p24 but had to leave v-sync off, so then with the tearing, it was disruptive to the 3D experience. After a week of normal use, the unit began to buzz quite loudly from the rear area of the screen (its psu). It always occurred when there were pauses to the signal from the pc, like when rebooting. The picture quality was the absolute best I had ever seen, and only recently matched when I purchased a Samsung LED tv (pretty much the same just bigger, and 120hz).
If you read through the comments really fast while watching the movie, "The Fighter", Cleeve kinda morphs into Mickey Ward, taking some shots from the 3D/HDMI/DVI-D Police, but defending them like a champ.
Anyway, I guess you want to prioritize. Blu-Ray 3D should be a reliable experience, so focus on that, if you are interested. Then, from there, consider any other 3D experiences like gaming, or cable broadcasts (HBO on demand for instance), as a bonus, plan accordingly, and make the right purchases.
If you really like the idea of using a 120hz monitor, then focus on the benefits of using it for any type of 2D use, and then if that peeks your interest, go for it, and just keep it in the back of your mind that you'll also benefit from the hardware when using the 3D.
I've been complaining to myself (honestly, who else would listen, right?), and I have a lot of eye fatigue from the 1080p 60hz monitor I have been using for a few years. I am now experimenting with the 27" Acer 3D capable 120hz monitor. I first want to use the 120hz feature for about a week and see what effect, if any, it has on eye fatigue. I'm going to try to hold off the urge to load up 3D games as long as possible to soak up the 120hz-goodness. Already, it reminds me of waking up to a crisp and bright summer morning.
If you read through the comments really fast while watching the movie, "The Fighter", Cleeve kinda morphs into Mickey Ward, taking some shots from the 3D/HDMI/DVI-D Police, but defending them like a champ.
Anyway, I guess you want to prioritize. Blu-Ray 3D should be a reliable experience, so focus on that, if you are interested. Then, from there, consider any other 3D experiences like gaming, or cable broadcasts (HBO on demand for instance), as a bonus, plan accordingly, and make the right purchases.
If you really like the idea of using a 120hz monitor, then focus on the benefits of using it for any type of 2D use, and then if that peeks your interest, go for it, and just keep it in the back of your mind that you'll also benefit from the hardware when using the 3D.
I've been complaining to myself (honestly, who else would listen, right?), and I have a lot of eye fatigue from the 1080p 60hz monitor I have been using for a few years. I am now experimenting with the 27" Acer 3D capable 120hz monitor. I first want to use the 120hz feature for about a week and see what effect, if any, it has on eye fatigue. I'm going to try to hold off the urge to load up 3D games as long as possible to soak up the 120hz-goodness. Already, it reminds me of waking up to a crisp and bright summer morning.
3D is fantastic IMO and anyone missing out doesn't know what they're missing. Games come alive, many times I found myself realistically peeking with my head arounds corners due to the added 3D Depth effects. nvidia 3D vision has nearly 1000 games supported includes oldies like RogueSpear and Rainbow Six. Simply amazing in 3D. Currently playing Mafia 2, Just Cause 2 and Witcher 2 in 3D. They are absolutely phenomenal in 3D. People dismissing it as hype are just in denial because they cannot accept other people enjoying something they might not like.
[citation][nom]fp_ff_fp[/nom]3D is fantastic IMO and anyone missing out doesn't know what they're missing. Games come alive, many times I found myself realistically peeking with my head arounds corners due to the added 3D Depth effects. nvidia 3D vision has nearly 1000 games supported includes oldies like RogueSpear and Rainbow Six. Simply amazing in 3D. Currently playing Mafia 2, Just Cause 2 and Witcher 2 in 3D. They are absolutely phenomenal in 3D.[/citation]
yea.. this review lacks of these games too.. nvidia now has many excelent 3d games (developer supported), as i remember: Batman AA, starcraft 2, metro 2033, mafia 2, just cause 2, alice 2011 (dont remember the title) , witcher 2, crysis 2, COD 2011, nfs shift, and many more from the upcoming release, Battlefield 3, rage?, hell.. thats a heck of games you can try for the best 3d experiences.
[citation][nom]fp_ff_fp[/nom]People dismissing it as hype are just in denial because they cannot accept other people enjoying something they might not like.[/citation]
i like that words. its an addon experiences you can try if you have the budget. just thankful there is a company that can push experiences beyond limit. i like innovations because it gives me choices.
yea.. this review lacks of these games too.. nvidia now has many excelent 3d games (developer supported), as i remember: Batman AA, starcraft 2, metro 2033, mafia 2, just cause 2, alice 2011 (dont remember the title) , witcher 2, crysis 2, COD 2011, nfs shift, and many more from the upcoming release, Battlefield 3, rage?, hell.. thats a heck of games you can try for the best 3d experiences.
[citation][nom]fp_ff_fp[/nom]People dismissing it as hype are just in denial because they cannot accept other people enjoying something they might not like.[/citation]
i like that words. its an addon experiences you can try if you have the budget. just thankful there is a company that can push experiences beyond limit. i like innovations because it gives me choices.
[citation][nom]Cleeve[/nom]Yes it was. I meant the TriDef driver and GeForce cards on the Acer HN274H Are you saying the TriDef driver works for you over DVI-D using a GeForce card?[/citation]
I haven't tried. I was thinking about trying it, if nothing else to try out the virtual 3D mode.
I haven't tried. I was thinking about trying it, if nothing else to try out the virtual 3D mode.
It cost me only $260 for 3D with the 23" LG 3d Cinema monitor. It comes with TriDef which is a software emulator. My card is an old Nvidia 8800gts. Passive 3d works well, but I heard you lose half the resolution or 720 on tridef, but I don't game that much, more for movie and creating 3d photos.
I have a pair of VR Joy active shutter glasses bought in 1999 that still work, paid about USD 20 at the time, worked with the first geforce2 and onwards till today, you just have to use it with a CRT. I´ve taken hundreds of stereo photographs taking two pics some distance apart, and now, the bunch of tech-suckers (it´s not peoples fault, it´s vendors evil) spend lots of money on dedicated hardware and think that it´s a new technology... who played sega master system with the glasses? LOL mym master system glasses even work with the vrjoy controller!
To be frank, I've always been a little skeptical of 3D, certainly when it was the preserve of film. Recently, I've started seeing a the appeal, at least as far as games are concerned. I can imagine Portal 2 being all the more exceptional for the treatment
I bought a 720p 3D Vision Projector, do any of you guys have that? I never played at that resolution... is a gtx580 enough or should I buy 2 gtx570 in SLI?
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A GTX 570 is even overkill at 720p (1280x720).
A GTX 470 or 560 should be ample. I actually test on a 3D Vision projector, and I use a 470. never had any frame rate issues whatsoever.
have fun, BTW. Big screen gaming is amazing in 3D, you should try Burnout Paradise... a total blast!
Thanks for the awesome article! It was gratifying to find out you guy's experienced some of the same things I ran into with my own 3d setup. Particularly with World of Warcraft's water rendering. I didn't know virtual 3d mode fixed the problem though. I will give that a try
Rig: Panasonic Viera 58 inch, Radeon 6870, Tridef driver.
I've been running most games at 720p. Even though my system can run the games fine in 3d at 1080p, my eyes just aren't up to the task these days. At 1080p I can't read player names when sitting on my couch playing WoW. I guess I should get glasses or something =D
The only game I run at 1080p in 3d is Fallout New Vegas. The text rendered in FNV seems to be the same size regardless of the resolution I use so I can still read it comfortably 1080p. I wish more game designers would do that.
I haven't run into the same problem you guys have with Deus: Ex Human Revolution. I did have to max out the depth setting in game but the 3d seems to be working fine for me. The only time it goes flat for me is during the pre-rendered cut scene videos.
Rig: Panasonic Viera 58 inch, Radeon 6870, Tridef driver.
I've been running most games at 720p. Even though my system can run the games fine in 3d at 1080p, my eyes just aren't up to the task these days. At 1080p I can't read player names when sitting on my couch playing WoW. I guess I should get glasses or something =D
The only game I run at 1080p in 3d is Fallout New Vegas. The text rendered in FNV seems to be the same size regardless of the resolution I use so I can still read it comfortably 1080p. I wish more game designers would do that.
I haven't run into the same problem you guys have with Deus: Ex Human Revolution. I did have to max out the depth setting in game but the 3d seems to be working fine for me. The only time it goes flat for me is during the pre-rendered cut scene videos.
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Could you do a review with same cards vs 3D TVs? I own Sony 55" 3DTV so I'm wondering which solution should I go for if I want to get the best out of my expensive TV?
Also, I'm surprised there is no mention about 3D support/performance of these cards on Linux.
Also, I'm surprised there is no mention about 3D support/performance of these cards on Linux.
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[citation][nom]akula2[/nom]Could you do a review with same cards vs 3D TVs? I own Sony 55" 3DTV so I'm wondering which solution should I go for if I want to get the best out of my expensive TV?[/citation]
This review is focused on visual output on a per game basis, that will not change from monitor to TV. Your frame rate performance will suffer though, you'll be forced to drop to 24 FPS at 1080p, but you will be able to run 60 FPS at 720p.
[citation][nom]akula2[/nom]Also, I'm surprised there is no mention about 3D support/performance of these cards on Linux.[/citation]
This review is focused on games. Realistically, Linux has nothing to offer for gamers compared to Windows.
This review is focused on visual output on a per game basis, that will not change from monitor to TV. Your frame rate performance will suffer though, you'll be forced to drop to 24 FPS at 1080p, but you will be able to run 60 FPS at 720p.
[citation][nom]akula2[/nom]Also, I'm surprised there is no mention about 3D support/performance of these cards on Linux.[/citation]
This review is focused on games. Realistically, Linux has nothing to offer for gamers compared to Windows.
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Oh thanks again Cleeve.
I'm not a dedicated/pro gamer but the company I own is into very high-end CG in Modelling, Design and Simulation. I'm involved in some work (paper), which I can't disclose here. Planning to use 3D feature to achieve best results (say for example, Protein Folding) to exceed that paper's objectives.
I/we use Mac, Linux and Windows for different CG solutions. Anyway, we are doing some good CG stuff with Nvidia/AMD cards on Linux but nothing related to 3D but we use 3D feature on Windows based PCs.
I'm not a dedicated/pro gamer but the company I own is into very high-end CG in Modelling, Design and Simulation. I'm involved in some work (paper), which I can't disclose here. Planning to use 3D feature to achieve best results (say for example, Protein Folding) to exceed that paper's objectives.
I/we use Mac, Linux and Windows for different CG solutions. Anyway, we are doing some good CG stuff with Nvidia/AMD cards on Linux but nothing related to 3D but we use 3D feature on Windows based PCs.
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Ah, yeah, that's a different animal entirely.
The Nvidia 3D Vision page lists the OS system requirements to be "Microsoft® Windows® Vista 32/64-bit or Windows 7 32/64-bit", and the TriDef system requirements are "Windows® XP (SP3) (32 bit only)¹, Windows® Vista (32 bit only) or Windows® 7 (32 or 64 bit)".
Sorry mate, looks like Linux is left out to dry again. 🙁
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