[SOLVED] Nvidia Drivers Crashing PC

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So any time I have a NVIDIA driver installed (doesn't matter which version I've tried many) my PC will turn itself off and then turn itself back on, if I'm not running a full screen game. This problem doesn't happen when the driver is not installed or when the PC is in safe mode. I've tried to use DDU and reinstall but that didn't work, because now the drivers will not install. Every time I try and install a driver (tried many versions, old and new, same result) the installer says that the installation has failed when it is checking for system compatibility. The crashing has been going on for months and now I can't use my GPU to it's full ability. Someone please help I'm desperate.

Side Note: Temps are normal as well

Specs:
CPU: Pentium G4400
GPU: Zotac 1050ti mini
Motherboard: Gigabyte H110M-A
RAM: Patriot 2x4gb DDR4 2400
HDD: WD Blue 1TB 64MB
PSU: Corsair 80+ 650W VX
Case: Rosewill FBM-X1
 
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Power supply issue. Graphics cards pull much more power when using the full driver package than they do using basic minimal drivers.

What is the EXACT model of your Corsair PSU and how long has it been in service roughly?

In the event and on the off chance that it's NOT a power supply issue, is there any chance that you've upgraded the system hardware (Motherboard and CPU) while continuing to use an older Windows installation from a previous build OR have changed graphics cards and have NOT done a full CLEAN install of the graphics drivers using the DDU?
Power supply issue. Graphics cards pull much more power when using the full driver package than they do using basic minimal drivers.

What is the EXACT model of your Corsair PSU and how long has it been in service roughly?

In the event and on the off chance that it's NOT a power supply issue, is there any chance that you've upgraded the system hardware (Motherboard and CPU) while continuing to use an older Windows installation from a previous build OR have changed graphics cards and have NOT done a full CLEAN install of the graphics drivers using the DDU?
 
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Power supply issue. Graphics cards pull much more power when using the full driver package than they do using basic minimal drivers.

What is the EXACT model of your Corsair PSU and how long has it been in service roughly?

In the event and on the off chance that it's NOT a power supply issue, is there any chance that you've upgraded the system hardware (Motherboard and CPU) while continuing to use an older Windows installation from a previous build OR have changed graphics cards and have NOT done a full CLEAN install of the graphics drivers using the DDU?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004
this is the power supply, I actually built this PC brand new, but I had a problem so I took it to a shop and he recommended to put this power supply in because the one I initially bought wasn't that good. I don't remember if he told me if the PSU was new or used, which I probably should've asked.

and I've actually reinstalled windows twice and the problem still occurred. I also clicked on Clean installation in the installation window when installing the drivers.

The power supply was the only part that has been upgraded in my rig.
 
All reviews I can find of that unit are about 11 years old. Anybody still selling that model is selling VERY old stock or a used unit. Depending on what the unit was you had before, I'd say you got scammed unless it was actually a low quality unit because it's very doubtful that VX model was anything like new, even then.

I'd say chances are good the power supply is bad and even if it's not specifically the actual problem, I'd replace it, because it's old and it's a risk to the rest of your hardware. If it turns out not to be the problem, at least you'll know what the problem ISN'T, AND, you'll have a reliable PSU that isn't going to crap out soon and take any hardware with it or slowly cripple your motherboard capacitors because the hardware in the PSU has degraded to the point where it's allowing damaging levels of ripple or voltage fluctuation to occur.

5 years is long for most power supplies, especially ones build 11-12 years ago (That model was released in 2007 and was not a long running model). 8 or more years on an old platform like that is an exceptional run if it's been in service all or most of that time but it's seriously time to look at replacing it. If you still have issues afterwards, we can address that but I'd for SURE start there.

Click the spoiler for model recommendations.

Let's start with the biggest misconception out there, which is that if a unit has high watts it will be ok or is good. No. Just, no.

There are plenty of 750-1000w units out there that I wouldn't trust to power a light bulb and might in fact be more dangerous due to their supposedly high capacity due to poor or non-existent protections inside the unit.

If the platform isn't good to begin with, how many watts or amps it says it can support is irrelevant.

Higher 80plus certification doesn't mean anything, UNLESS it's on an already known to be high quality PSU platform. For example, a Seasonic Prime platinum unit is going to be a better product than a Seasonic Prime Gold unit, because we already know the Prime platform is very good, and platinum efficiency along with it shows there are some improvements internally to account for the higher efficiency.

In a case like that, it might be worth it. It's likely the unit will create less heat, it will probably have better performance in regard to ripple, noise and voltage regulation. It might shave a few pennies, or dollars, off the electric bill over the course of a year.

Other than that, it is not going to perform any better than the same platform with Gold efficiency. On the other hand, just because a unit has Titanium 80plus ratings doesn't mean the unit is any good at all. For example, there are Raidmax units with Titanium efficiency and I wouldn't trust one of those to power a light bulb. There are a lot of units like this out there.

If the platform isn't good to begin with, whether or not it has an 80plus certification or not is irrelevant.

Whatever you do, don't EVER buy a power supply based on whether it has RGB or lighting, or looks like it might be a quality unit. Some of the biggest hunks of junk out there look just as good as a Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium, but I assure you, they are not. So far as I've seen there are really no excellent units out there that have RGB built in. Maybe one or two models, but rest assured you'll be be paying for the lighting, not for the quality of the power supply.

I don't know what country you reside in, and I know that sometimes it's hard to come by good units in some regions, but when possible, when it comes time to get that PSU, I'd stick to the following if you can.

Seasonic. Seasonic isn't just a brand, they are a PSU manufacturer, unlike many of the PSU brands you see they make their own power supply platforms AND a great many of the very good PSU models out there from other brands like Antec, Corsair and older XFX are made by Seasonic.

Just about anything made by Seasonic is good quality for the most part. There are really no bad Seasonic units and only a very few that are even somewhat mediocre. They do make a few less-good quality OEM style units, but mostly those are not going to be units you come across at most vendors, and they are still not bad. Also, the S12II and M12II 520 and 620w units are older, group regulated models. At one time they were among the best units you could buy. Now, they are outdated and not as good as almost any other Seasonic models. They are however still better than a LOT of newer designs by other manufacturers.

The Seasonic 520w and 620w S12II/M12II units CAN be used on newer Intel platforms, if you turn off C6/C7 in the bios, but I'd really recommend a newer platform whenever possible. Prices are usually pretty good on those though, so sometimes it's worth accepting the lack of DC-DC on the internal platform. Higher capacity versions of the High current gamer are not based on that platform, so they are fine. Those being the 750w and higher versions.

Most common currently, in order of preference, would be the Seasonic Focus series, then Focus plus, then Prime, then Prime ultra. It's worth mentioning that there are generally Gold, Platinum and Titanium versions within each, or most, of those series, but that does not necessarily mean that a Focus plus Platinum is necessarily better than a Prime Gold. It only means that it scored better in the 80plus efficiency testing, not that the platform is better.

Again, don't let yourself get tangled up in the idea that a higher 80plus rating specifically means that it is a better unit than another one with a lower rating, unless you know that it is a good platform from the start. All these Focus and Prime units are pretty good so you can somewhat focus on the 80plus rating when deciding which of them to choose.

Super Flower Super Flower is another PSU manufacturer. They also make most of the good units sold by EVGA like the G2, G3, P2 and T2 models.

Super Flower doesn't have a very broad availability for the units with their own brand name on them, and are not available in a lot of countries but for those where there is availability you want to look at the Leadex and Leadex II models. The Golden green platform is fairly decent too but is getting rather long in the tooth as a platform AND I've seen some reviews indicating a few shortcomings on units based on this platform.

Even so, it's a great deal better than a lot of other platforms out there so you could certainly do worse than a Golden green model. Units based on the Leadex and Leadex II platforms are much better though.

Corsair. The CX and CXm units are ok as a budget option, but I do not recommend pairing them with gaming cards. The newer 2017 models of CX and CXm are better than the older ones, but still not what we'd call terrific, so if it specifically says 2017 model, or it has a capacity other than an even 100, like 550w, 650w, 750w, etc., then it's likely at least better than those older ones. Aside from that, any of the TX, RMx, RMi, HX, HXi, AX or AXi units are good. Those are listed from best to worst, with the best being the AX and AXi units.

Antec. The True power classic units are made by Seasonic, and are very good, but are not modular. The High current gamer 520w and 620w, or any other PSU you see on the market that is 520w or 620w, are also made by Seasonic, based on the S12II and M12II platform for modern versions, and are pretty good units but again they are an older platform that is group regulated so if you go with a Haswell or newer Intel configuration you will want to avoid those because they do not support the C6/C7 Intel low power states.

The Antec High current gamer 750w and 850w units are very good and are not the older design, which came in 520w and 620w capacities and were good for back then but again, are an aging Seasonic platform that is not the best choice most of the time these days. Occasionally, these older units MIGHT be the best unit available and you could do worse than one of them, but a newer DC-DC platform is desirable when possible if it doesn't mean sacrificing quality elsewhere in the platform. There are however older and newer HCG models, so exact model number will likely be a factor if choosing one of these however both the older models and the newer models are good.

Antec Edge units are ok too, but reviews indicate that they have noisy fan profiles. I'd only choose this model if it is on sale or the aesthetics match up with your color scheme or design. Still a good power supply but maybe a little aggressive on the fan profile. This may have been cured on newer Edge models so reading professional tear down reviews is still the best idea.

Antec Earthwatts Gold units are very good also.

BeQuiet. BeQuiet does have a few decent models, BUT, you must be VERY selective about which of their models you put your trust in. From model to model their are huge differences in both quality and performance, even with the same series. If you cannot find a review for a BeQuiet unit on HardOCP, JonnyGuru or Tom's hardware that SPECIFICALLY says it is a very good unit, and does not have any significant issues in the "cons" category, I would avoid it. In fact, I'd probably avoid it anyhow unless there is a very great sale on one that has good reviews, because their units are generally more expensive than MUCH better units from Antec, Seasonic, EVGA and Corsair.

Super Flower. They are like Seasonic and they make power supplies for a variety of other companies, like EVGA. Super Flower units are usually pretty good. I'd stick to the Leadex, Leadex II and Golden Green models.

EVGA. They have BOTH good and not very good models.

Not very good are the W1, N1, B1, B3 (All models except the 650w model), BQ, BR, BT and G1 NEX models.

Good models are the B2, B3 650w, G2, G2L, G3, GQ, P2 and T2 models.

FSP. They used to be very mediocre, and are a PSU manufacturer like Seasonic and Super Flower, although not as well trusted based on historical performance. Currently the FSP Hydro G and Hydro X units are pretty good.

I would avoid Thermaltake and Cooler Master. They do have a few good units, but most of the models they sell are either poor or mediocre, and the ones they have that ARE good are usually way overpriced.

This is just ONE example of why I say that. Very new and modern CM unit. One of the worst scores ever seen on JonnyGuru for a well known brand name product. Doesn't look to be much better than a Raidmax unit. Sad.

Cooler Master Masterwatt Lite 600W review

And most of the models I have linked to the reviews of at the following link are at least good, with most of them being fantastic.

Power supply discussion thread

Certainly there ARE some good units out there that you won't see above among those I've listed, but they are few and far between, much as a hidden nugget of gold you find in a crevice among otherwise ordinary rocks and don't EVER assume a unit is good just because of the brand.

If you cannot find an IN DEPTH, REPUTABLE review on Tom's hardware, JonnyGuru, HardOCP, Hardware secrets (Old reviews by Gabe Torres), Kitguru (Only Aris reviews), TechPowerUP, SilentPC crew or a similar site that does much more than simply a review of the unboxing and basic tests that don't include reliable results for ripple, noise, voltage regulation and a complete teardown of the unit including identification of the internal platform, then the unit is a big fat question mark.

I recommend not trusting such units as companies generally always send out review samples of any unit they feel is going to get a good review, and don't send them out if they know they are going to get hammered by the reviewer. No review usually equals poor quality. Usually.

Other models that should never be trusted OR USED AT ALL, under any circumstances, include A-Top, AK Power, Alpine, Apevia, Apex (Supercase/Allied), Artic, Ace, Aerocool (There might be one model worth using, but I'd still avoid them.), Aspire (Turbocase), Atadc, Atrix, Broadway com corp, Chieftech, Circle, CIT, Coolmax, Deer, Diablotek, Dynapower, Dynex, Eagletech, Enlight, Eurotech, Evo labs, EZ cool, Feedtek, Foxconn, G7, HEC/Compucase Orion, HEDY, High power, iBall, iStar computer co., Jeantec, JPac, Just PC, Kolink, LC Power, Linkworld electronics, Logisys, Macron, MSI, NmediaPC, Norwood Micro (CompUSA), Okia, Powercool, Powmax, Pulsepower, Q-tec, Raidmax, RaveRocketfish, Segotep, SFC, Sharkoon, Shuttle, Skyhawk, Spire, Startech, Storm, Sumvision, Tesla, Trust, Ultra, Wintech, Winpower, Xilence (Until I see a reputable review of a model showing different), xTreme (Cyberpower), Youngbear and Zebronics.


I'd look at very good 450w models for that graphics cards, UNLESS you plan to upgrade the graphics card in the next year or two, in which case I'd look based on the capacity recommendations for the card you plan to upgrade to as found here:


RealHardTechX Power supply capacity recommendations by graphics card model

 
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Unless you are in a region where that is the best unit you can get, you don't want that model. Those S12II units are group regulated, which is a very old design. They are good, but they are not DC-DC like modern platforms and may have issues with crossloading as well as a lack of some of the more advanced protections found inside modern independently regulated designs.

If however you are in a region where there is little availability on hardware, then it MIGHT be the best choice available to you.

What country are you in?
 

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OK thanks, will definitely go with your recommendation

I will make a separate thread for my other issue.

I'll get back to you on if this resolved my issue or not once I get the PSU
 
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