Nvidia Fermi Production and Availability

[CerianK]

"happy at 4-percent yield," I think should be 40%

 

[TeraMedia]

I sure as heck hope that the AMD yeild is 40% and not 4%. If 96 out of 100 chips have problems that they do find, how many of the remaining ones have problems that they didn't find?

 

[brisingamen]

nvidia likes talking alot of smack thier attitude is like,

"eh were the company that makes graphics cards so 99% of people who arent hardware engineers cant say shit back anyway even if we are lying haha."

i think fermi will flop, echoes of the 5800 ultra . . .

 

[Drag0nR1der]

[citation][nom]CrashOverride90[/nom]finally...AMD's already owning with its DirectX 11 cards...Is this going to be too little too late thing for NVIDIA??[/citation]


I very much doubt it, given how little the 5800's were available before the main holiday buying season, I expect there are still a lot of people willing to wait it out and see what nvidia come up with ... not to mention the 5800's are only now starting to trickle in to the market. If nVidia can get their supply and pricing right I doubt the few months lag behind AMD will make too much difference at all.

 

[Drag0nR1der]

[citation][nom]jjchmiel78[/nom]And at what cost? Unless they have 5970 performance at 5850 prices, there is no need to upgrade from my 5770 until next winter. I assume this will be the case for many of us 2 million that already bought ATI cards.[/citation]

Probably... but there's way more than 2m people in the g'card customer base...

 

[Impulse Fire911]

my 5850 kicks so much ass plus Ocing it makes it as good as the 5870. why would i need to upgrade?

 

[Boxa786]

Worst should be Worse and 4% should be 40%,

Anyhow, last I checked the only FACT we have, confirmed by vendors is that this Fermi is nothing but a volcano.

And, AMD have their 5800 series for almost all areas, they have already said the lower, laptop etc range will be out by Feb. All that is left is the Eefinity range, maybe extreme range?

 

[Drag0nR1der]

[citation][nom]doc70[/nom]heating problem solved?Then it would be interesting...[/citation]

What heating issue... i haven't seen any benchmarks or reviews yet...

 

[fulle]

TSMC 40nm yields have been terrible, but 4% is an obvious typo. For ATI's 58xx cards they were saying they were at 60% for a little while, but then the figure slipped back down to the 40% they were at before. Nvidia's going to get the same terrible 40% yields ATI has been getting.

Tuan, please correct the typo, you're confusing people.

 

[jjchmiel78]

[citation][nom]Drag0nR1der[/nom]What heating issue... i haven't seen any benchmarks or reviews yet...[/citation]

CES Show Vendors were stating how hot the cards ran. It was mentioned here and what people are referring to when they say how hot they are.

 

[HavoCnMe]

Yes lots of consumers in the market, but how many games are DX11?

 

[Computer_Lots]

So, does the "bad" 60% get relegated to slower cards for cheaper, or are they trash? Like how the Celeron was a Pentium that had bad cache or something.

 

[michaelzehr]

I was surprised at the 4% figure until I did a bit of googling. Nvidia gt300 yield was reported as 2% in sept, 2009 by semiaccurate.com. White papers about testing new multi-level dies have quoted yields around 10% on new processes as well. Apparently the issue is a combination of new process and multi-level boards. The levels create additional areas for mistakes, and stacking, for example, 3 chips means that if the yield per chip is 50% then the yield on 3 of them stacked is 12.5%. "Good" yield on a new process can be around 30%.

I learned something today.

 

[Cades]

The heat problem was for 3 or more card configurations.

 

[phantomtrooper]

[citation][nom]CrashOverride90[/nom]finally...AMD's already owning with its DirectX 11 cards...Is this going to be too little too late thing for NVIDIA??[/citation]

no way. i predict nvidia's features will blow ati out of the water. for me it doesn't really matter because i won't be upgrading until crysis 2.

 

[icemunk]

Nvidia seems to be self-destructing

 

[turboflame]

If ATI is at 4% yields then Charlie was probably right when he said Fermi yields were at 1.7%.

 

[fulle]

Tuan,
Your Update is misleading. If TSMC has indeed improved yields to 60% (which some sources claim), then ATI would also benefit. How would Fermi have an advantage in yield percentages over ATI? And where the hell are you getting the 4% figure from?

@turbo, that 2% figure was for a supposed "first hot lot" on GT300s, and written by some pessimist who hates Nvidia. I wouldn't pay attention to that kind of information... and the ATI yields are NOT at 4%. Find me a single link that suggests that the yields aren't in the range of 20-60%, and I'll be damn surprised. (yields SUCKED at first early Q2, but since improved to 40%. TCSM claimed yeilds were up to 60% at some investor conference, but IIRC AMD said that they were actually still at 40% shortly thereafter.)

Meanwhile, nobody said anything about 5800 yields being at 4%

 

[bk420]

[citation][nom]impulse fire911[/nom]my 5850 kicks so much ass plus Ocing it makes it as good as the 5870. why would i need to upgrade?[/citation]


Becuase that piece of junk will be outdated 1.5X by the Fermi...that's why, duh!

 

[schmich]

[citation][nom]Boxa786[/nom]confirmed by vendors is that this Fermi is nothing but a volcano.[/citation]
Oh, only a volcano now? Nice that they have fixed the heating issue. Just joking of course. I can't wait for benchmarks and to see if I'll go red or green on my next graphics card. *leans slightly towards red already to support AMD/ATI instead of those who are moving away from gaming*

 

[CrashOverride90]

[citation][nom]Drag0nR1der[/nom]I very much doubt it, given how little the 5800's were available before the main holiday buying season, I expect there are still a lot of people willing to wait it out and see what nvidia come up with ... not to mention the 5800's are only now starting to trickle in to the market. If nVidia can get their supply and pricing right I doubt the few months lag behind AMD will make too much difference at all.[/citation]

Judging by their track record...their prices are usually higher than comparable (or better) ATI cards.

But we'll see how it goes.

 

[schmich]

On top of that, in all countries in Europe I've looked NVidia is usually more expensive than ATI compared to the US.

 

[brisingamen]

hey how about all the nvidiots quit putting thumbs down to my comments seriously, nvidia sucks so what. thiers more to life dayum!

 

[CrashOverride90]

[citation][nom]impulse fire911[/nom]my 5850 kicks so much ass plus Ocing it makes it as good as the 5870. why would i need to upgrade?[/citation]

lol you wouldn't need to upgrade...you already have top of the line graphics card. And whose to say it will actually be an upgrade.

We will just have to wait it out and see how the thing performs when it hits the markets.

 

[turboflame]

[citation][nom]fulle[/nom]@turbo, that 2% figure was for a supposed "first hot lot" on GT300s, and written by some pessimist who hates Nvidia. I wouldn't pay attention to that kind of information... and the ATI yields are NOT at 4%. [/citation]

That's the joke.