Nvidia Fermi Production and Availability

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There is absolutely no way that that 4% figure can be correct.

That would mean that AMD is happy with 6 working HD58xx per wafer. And each wafer costs north of 5000 dollars.
 
4% yield ? yeah right, with 150 dies per waffer, and supposed 6 working
dies, they'd have to sell those for 1000 bucks per chip, to break even
 
I find it funny about people praising the 5770; I view at as too week to last any amount of time; it has problems with Eyefinity resolutions, and performed terribly in Dirt2's DX11 test. And considering the 4890 offers more performance for less price, I simply don't see how a card that fails at its two primary offerings is attractive.
 
OUch, I didn't realize TMSC yields were so low. I mean I heard they were low, but THIS low? So I went to do a little fact checking, and lo and behold, someone made a very large mistake (orders of magnitude).

Quoted:
"Late last month some web-sites reported that TSMC’s yields on the 40nm fabrication process dropped from 60% to 40% recently and that ATI, graphics business unit of Advanced Micro Devices, and Nvidia Corp. were impacted. While TSMC confirmed it did have certain issues with 40nm process technology, the world’s largest contract maker of semiconductors stressed that those issues were “logistical”. Thus, TSMC wants to stress that 40nm yields now are about 60%."

source: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20091109232633_TSMC_Denies_Huge_40nm_Yield_Drop.html

also:
http://www.techspot.com/news/36781-tsmc-40nm-yield-issues-to-affect-amd-and-nvidia.html

there are others, but those are the most recent.

so, no, its not 4%, which would make the 5870s run roughly $30,000 a pop (just pulled that out of no-where, don't know the real price). Hopefully this year they can up the yields further. This will, if anything, help nVidia. Where as AMD has had to put up with 20-30% yeilds at first and the associated low supply of chips and high price, nVidia will be coming into the production cycle after the kinks have been worked out, so they should enjoy a 'relatively' high yield right off the bat - which should help them with pricing and thus induce (YEY!) another price war with AMD. I, for one, cannot wait! Will be picking me up a 5970 sometime towards fall I think.

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gamerk316 you're wrong Eyefinity resolutions are fine, and even the 5770 had fine performance on Dirt2. (What are you comparing them to anyway? Only the 5k series can do DX11.)

It's probably good that you are referencing the 4890 here though as that is what nVidia's Fermi will compete with primarily.
 
Wow... just wow....

Seriously THG stop spinning for Nvidia. 4% yield on 58XX is BS and you know it. Who told you this? Nvidia?

I am disappointed in you THG.

 
Go ahead and mark me down for calling BS on this.

58XX yield was around 60% before the misalignment issue. During the month or so of "bad" yields, it was down to 40%. The issue has been solved and then this 4% number comes out.... from Nvidia....
 
Even after updating they still get it wrong.

There is NO way that yields can be as low as 4% and AMD is doing mass-production.

A single wafer contains approx 150 Cypress dies.
A single wafer start @TSMC 40nm costs approx 5000 dollars.
A single wafer with 4% yield would yield 6 HD58xx GPU's.

There is no way that AMD could sell HD58xx for less than 1000 dollars if the yields are 4%.

Tuan Nguyen, I suggest you recheck your sources, because what you're writing doesn't make sense and is plainly wrong!
 
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