Nvidia GeForce GTX 1000 Series (Pascal) MegaThread: FAQ and Resources

[turkey3_scratch]

That's so funny you mention the GTX 1060 being about $250 because earlier today I was going to bring up the idea of Nvidia hitting that price point. I'm not so sure if that is a smart, average, or dumb move on their part. The large price gap between the GTX 960 and GTX 970 was probably the reason why so many GTX 970s were sold. People are like, "eh, not sure the GTX 960 has the performance I am looking for. Oh crap, the GTX 970 costs $150 more? Ah well, I guess it's just better worth it. I'll get the GTX 970." Now, though, if the GTX 1060 is priced at about $250 people may pass on the GTX 1070, making Nvidia lose some money. Then again, it really depends on the performance of the GTX 1060.

If the GTX 1060 costs 25% more than an RX 480, you would expect it to have 25% more performance. I don't feel this will be the case, though, as that will give it a huge benefit over the GTX 1070 in the price/performance arena. I think the GTX 1060 will probably have about 5-10% better performance than the RX 480, giving it less price/performance than both the RX 480 and GTX 1070, but will probably sell more because Nvidia. Since it will have less price/performance than the GTX 1070, people will still make that jump to the 1070 so Nvidia will get their cash, but those budget-conscious people who will just get the GTX 1060 will still give Nvidia more money opposed to it costing around the RX 480's $200 price point.

 

[James Mason]

That's so funny you mention the GTX 1060 being about $250 because earlier today I was going to bring up the idea of Nvidia hitting that price point. I'm not so sure if that is a smart, average, or dumb move on their part. The large price gap between the GTX 960 and GTX 970 was probably the reason why so many GTX 970s were sold. People are like, "eh, not sure the GTX 960 has the performance I am looking for. Oh crap, the GTX 970 costs $150 more? Ah well, I guess it's just better worth it. I'll get the GTX 970." Now, though, if the GTX 1060 is priced at about $250 people may pass on the GTX 1070, making Nvidia lose some money. Then again, it really depends on the performance of the GTX 1060.

If the GTX 1060 costs 25% more than an RX 480, you would expect it to have 25% more performance. I don't feel this will be the case, though, as that will give it a huge benefit over the GTX 1070 in the price/performance arena. I think the GTX 1060 will probably have about 5-10% better performance than the RX 480, giving it less price/performance than both the RX 480 and GTX 1070, but will probably sell more because Nvidia. Since it will have less price/performance than the GTX 1070, people will still make that jump to the 1070 so Nvidia will get their cash, but those budget-conscious people who will just get the GTX 1060 will still give Nvidia more money opposed to it costing around the RX 480's $200 price point.

What if they just only sold 1080s for $300 dollars?

We know 1070s are just crippled 1080s, so that means they cost the same to produce, so if Nvidia just made one GPU per generation that was well "max power" they could sell quantity over... I dunno varying quality.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

That's so funny you mention the GTX 1060 being about $250 because earlier today I was going to bring up the idea of Nvidia hitting that price point. I'm not so sure if that is a smart, average, or dumb move on their part. The large price gap between the GTX 960 and GTX 970 was probably the reason why so many GTX 970s were sold. People are like, "eh, not sure the GTX 960 has the performance I am looking for. Oh crap, the GTX 970 costs $150 more? Ah well, I guess it's just better worth it. I'll get the GTX 970." Now, though, if the GTX 1060 is priced at about $250 people may pass on the GTX 1070, making Nvidia lose some money. Then again, it really depends on the performance of the GTX 1060.

If the GTX 1060 costs 25% more than an RX 480, you would expect it to have 25% more performance. I don't feel this will be the case, though, as that will give it a huge benefit over the GTX 1070 in the price/performance arena. I think the GTX 1060 will probably have about 5-10% better performance than the RX 480, giving it less price/performance than both the RX 480 and GTX 1070, but will probably sell more because Nvidia. Since it will have less price/performance than the GTX 1070, people will still make that jump to the 1070 so Nvidia will get their cash, but those budget-conscious people who will just get the GTX 1060 will still give Nvidia more money opposed to it costing around the RX 480's $200 price point.

What if they just only sold 1080s for $300 dollars?

We know 1070s are just crippled 1080s, so that means they cost the same to produce, so if Nvidia just made one GPU per generation that was well "max power" they could sell quantity over... I dunno varying quality.

1080s or 1060s? Why on earth would they sell the 1080 for $300?

 

[Ambular]

What if they just only sold 1080s for $300 dollars?

We know 1070s are just crippled 1080s, so that means they cost the same to produce, so if Nvidia just made one GPU per generation that was well "max power" they could sell quantity over... I dunno varying quality.

I get your logic. But I'm thinking (if anyone knows differently, please remedy my misapprehension) that the most perfect chips NVidia can produce get turned into x80s, and those with minor flaws get turned into x70s, with the 'crippled' parts in a particular chip including those that already didn't work anyway. (I'd bet Intel does the same thing with the i7/i5/i3, too.) If they only produced 1080s, then they'd wind up discarding a lot of flawed chips, which would be really expensive and wasteful. If they got around that by producing only 1070s, then there'd be a lot of cards with wasted potential.

Marketing cards at multiple performance levels not only lets them sell to people with different requirements and budgets, it also allows them to make the best possible use of resources.

 

[Proxxey]

since msi already put word out about the 1070 sea hawk x, are there any news about the 1070 evga hybrid ?

 

[U6b36ef]

Elric on Tech of Tomorrow is saying the Zotac is the fastest 1080 he's seen so far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjKlL-6SA20

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

Why would they offer a 3GB model GTX 1060 and not a 4GB?

 

[-Fran-]

Why would they offer a 3GB model GTX 1060 and not a 4GB?

Pin interface. Maybe it's 192 and not 256 nor 128.

That also begs the question... Could it be a cut down version of the current 980ti? Like a die shrink or something like that.

Cheers!

 

[simon12]

Rumour http://www.game-debate.com/news/20653/rumour-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-to-launch-july-7-to-take-heat-off-rx-480s-launch 1060 3gb $250 6Gb $300 launching July 7th but not for sale until a week later the 2 versions based on different architectures (GP103 & GP106).

 

[Math Geek]

since msi already put word out about the 1070 sea hawk x, are there any news about the 1070 evga hybrid ?

no word on evga 1080 or 1070 classified, hybrid or watercooled cards that i have seen. they are teased on the site but that's all

 

[Math Geek]

YYYAAAAAAHHHH MORE RUMORS!!!!

new rumor puts the 1060 card(s) coming out sooner than expected before. paper launch next week and in stores july 14th. same rumor suggests a 3gb and 6 gb version based on different gpu's. possibly 2 variations. reg and ti maybe??

http://videocardz.com/61583/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-to-be-released-on-july-7th

same rumors with more info on nvidia event http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1060-special-launch-event-july/

 

[renz496]

Right now i'm just interested to see how 1060 fares against RX480. the SMPE if used in games could give 1060 advantage in VR. i wonder if amd have something similar to nvidia SMPE.

 

[Math Geek]

still reading reviews but it seems overall, depending on the game, it sits in the middle of 970/80 varying wildly game per game. the 1060 is rumored to be in this same ballpark but priced higher. could be interesting to see how prices move about over the next month or so.

 

[maxalge]

still reading reviews but it seems overall, depending on the game, it sits in the middle of 970/80 varying wildly game per game. the 1060 is rumored to be in this same ballpark but priced higher. could be interesting to see how prices move about over the next month or so.

found this in my travels

XD

 

[Math Geek]

not sure why you'd want to troll about it since the card is delivering everything amd said it would so far. but that's a conversation for another thread already going elsewhere.

 

[TechyInAZ]

Why would they offer a 3GB model GTX 1060 and not a 4GB?

Pin interface. Maybe it's 192 and not 256 nor 128.

That also begs the question... Could it be a cut down version of the current 980ti? Like a die shrink or something like that.

Cheers!

The GTX 1060 is not a cut down maxwell GPU. It's a GP106 pascal chip.

I think you are right on why it's a 3 and 6GB combo instead of 4 and 8GB. If anybody remembers the GTX 660 and 660 ti, both of those had 192 bit buses and had 3GB models.

 

[-Fran-]

The GTX 1060 is not a cut down maxwell GPU. It's a GP106 pascal chip.

I think you are right on why it's a 3 and 6GB combo instead of 4 and 8GB. If anybody remembers the GTX 660 and 660 ti, both of those had 192 bit buses and had 3GB models.

Branding of the GPUs are not that meaningful, so my point still stands: it's cheaper to do a die shrink of Maxwell than make a new Pascal for that performance point and you do treat it as a "new" chip. Internally it could be a 1:1 Maxwell, but shrinked and that is what I meant. Not that nVidia would admit that, obviously.

Cheers!

 

[renz496]

Probably cheaper than way. But they can't add improvement if they simply shrink the card. For example pascal brings in new improvement in VR in form of SMPE. that might be able to make nvidia 1060 more competitive vs RX480 in VR.

 

[TechyInAZ]

Speaking of cheapness, why is the GTX 1070 and 1060 prices so high? For example, the GTX 1070 should have aftermarket models as low as $370, but they're all at $440. I'm assuming it's because of demand.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Every Nvidia card Pascal seems like it is going to be more money than Maxwell. About $100 more, if the GTX 1060 is really $250 and $300. Then when stock is low our GTX 1060s will be $350-$400, just watch.

 

[U6b36ef]

Why would they offer a 3GB model GTX 1060 and not a 4GB?

Pin interface. Maybe it's 192 and not 256 nor 128.

That also begs the question... Could it be a cut down version of the current 980ti? Like a die shrink or something like that.

Cheers!

The GTX 1060 is not a cut down maxwell GPU. It's a GP106 pascal chip.

I think you are right on why it's a 3 and 6GB combo instead of 4 and 8GB. If anybody remembers the GTX 660 and 660 ti, both of those had 192 bit buses and had 3GB models.

GTX 650 Ti Boost had a 192-bit bus too. Only a 2GB card though.

 

[TehPenguin]

Speaking of cheapness, why is the GTX 1070 and 1060 prices so high? For example, the GTX 1070 should have aftermarket models as low as $370, but they're all at $440. I'm assuming it's because of demand.

I assume this was what nVidia wanted to achieve with their overpriced FE version.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Speaking of cheapness, why is the GTX 1070 and 1060 prices so high? For example, the GTX 1070 should have aftermarket models as low as $370, but they're all at $440. I'm assuming it's because of demand.

I assume this was what nVidia wanted to achieve with their overpriced FE version.

Nvidia is very smart at making money, a lot smarter than AMD that is. We have Titans and now Founders Editions. I hope they don't do the FE stuff next year, but I know they will. Then we will have a Titan coming, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is a $1250 card.

 

[TechyInAZ]

I'm guessing more like $1500 for a Titan. But I hope I'm wrong.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I'm guessing more like $1500 for a Titan. But I hope I'm wrong.

Then the 980Ti is probably going to come in around $850-$950.