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"not so much" is pretty misleading in my opinion. Looking at the Vulkan testing in Doom, AMD benefited by about 30% while nVIDIA benefited anywhere from 15% - 20%. It's also important to look if the boost actually means anything. It looks like AMD cards need the boost in order to maintain decent 1% and .1% lows while the GTX 1070/1080 really don't need the boost in the first place because their 1% and .1% lows are well above 60 FPS without the boost. I didn't mention averages because both the AMD and nVIDIA cards can put out very high averages.
 


What you're saying is also misleading.

AMD has a lot of underused hardware with OGL (not-Vulkan) and DX11 that is now being actually used. The "AMD got on par" is awfully unfair to AMD without knowing the full details on how their hardware works.

So, the second read would be "AMD is now using all of their hardware features aimed for the future". As corny as it sounds, it is the truth. Now nVidia added some to their own hardware and it shows with the Pascal siblings.

Cheers!
 
I'm firmly in wait and see mode. I'm waiting to see what a 1080Ti brings to the table. This time around, before I make a decision I'm going to see the entire enchilada before I buy, if I buy. I may skip the entire thing and upgrade my base system before I do anything graphics related. On that front I've already decided to wait for the Union Point release. I'm going to let that settle some before I jump into those waters, too.
 
I've been away from this thread for a couple of weeks so this might have been brought up or discussed elsewhere...but now that I've scoured just about all the reviews I can find for the 1070s and 1080s it seems that, once overclocked, the performance is virtually identical since they all top out somewhere slightly over 2.0 ghz. Doesn't matter the power connectors, aftermarket coolers, etc they all seem to get the same results, and the modern cooling solutions are all so good and quiet now that it really comes down to aesthetics, price, and availability.

I'd be interested in knowing if anyone else is taking away a different conclusion. I just see some of the aftermarket options that cost MORE than the founders edition and get you maybe 50-80 mhz over the standard OC versions, but then they top out at the same frequency.
 


Nope, I think most people would agree with your conclusion. The only reason I purchased the ASUS 1070 STRIX was because my motherboard is also ASUS brand, it had nothing to do with performance, power delivery, or cooling capabilities.
 
well most people who have actually read and thought about the reviews has reached the same conclusion. people who favor one brand over another still swear the one they like/have is leaps and bounds better than all the others.

i see it many times a day in this forum and elsewhere. but the reality is that every card is about the same in fps. temps and noise is a bit different but even then they are all quiet and cool enough other than an FE model

this quote from guru3d's newest 1080 review says it all "However the differences in performance in-between all models is neglectable. I mean to date we have tested like six tweaked SKUs from varying manufacturers and the differences in-between ALL cards are like 3 FPS give or take 1 FPS. The problem with the highest-end SKUs is that they are more expensive, and that extra money just does not justify the little performance gain"
 
That is one of the reasons I went with the Gigabyte G1 1070. At $430 it is one of the cheaper models available that doesn't have a custom blower, reference style design. I see that Gigabyte now has their Windforce model for $399 but that wasn't available when I purchased mine. That is probably the model I would go with if I were making the decision now. That being said, I love my G1. It boosts to just under 2GHz on it's own without me even having to overclock it. The LED lighting and backplate are nice too.

It's sucks that we haven't seen anything close to the MSRP of $380. Most cards are much closer to the Foudners Edition price point than the MSRP.
 


Yeah, this doesn't do much good for Nvidia users because the patch notes say that Async Compute was only enabled for Pascal and GCN 1.1 cards. Showing 980 Ti results when nothing was changed for those cards is kind of pointless. Still it's nice to see the improvement in AMD cards.

What I would really like to see are comparisons with Async on and off for the 1060, 1070, and 1080. The 1060 compared to the RX 480 would be interesting too.
 
It's quite shocking that almost two months after launch, there are virtually no custom cards for sale. Even the FE's are in limited stock.

If the chip is so hard to produce I wonder whether Nvidia will even keep going with it. Or I am worrying too much and there will loads of Pascal cards around very soon.
 


The GTX 1080s are harder to find on Newegg than the GTX 1070s. I just did a quick search and I would estimate that 66% of the AIB cards are in stock on Newegg (GTX 1070s).
 

I glance at the 1070 and 1080 pages on newegg pretty much every day because I never know when the mood might strike me to splurge on one, and while about 70% of the 1070's are in stock, the 1080s are still almost completely out and have never had any sort of consistent availability. And all the 1070s that are available are all the more expensive flavors.

Somebody said earlier that the Gigabyte windforce is selling for $399 which is the cheapest 1070 out at the moment, but it hasn't been available for weeks that I've seen. I'm not brand loyal, so that would be my pick.
 
Anyone have an explanation for why the 1070/1080 went with a single 8 pin PCIe cable when the 970 had two 6 pin cables? I personally like the single 8 pin better just because it allows me to have a cleaner case with one less cable coming out of my PSU.

From what I read it sounds like two 6 pin cables and one 8 pin cable provide the exact same 150W. On top of that GPUs are able to draw another 75W from the motherboard.

It looks like the 970 had a TDP of 145W while the 1070 has a TDP of 150W. Since they are pretty much identical in terms of TDP and two 6 pin cables are the same as one 8 pin cable why would Nvidia choose two 6 pin cables for the GTX 970 and one 8 pin cable for the 1070? To me it seems like the 970 should have been a single 8 pin cable card as well.
 


I stand corrected. My EVGA SC 970s each required two 6 pin cables so I kind of assumed they all did.
 
then stop pretending they are "released" if they can't supply them. only upsets the consumer to be continuously teased with thing we can't have. if they needed a few more months to get memory stock in place, then sit on the card until it is truly ready.

nvidia and amd are really dropping the ball with these releases. people are not happy, which is obvious if you read the forum with all the "when am i gonna be able to get a card?" threads. does neither side any good to pretend to have products no one can buy.
 


It's also important to mention that a majority of the threads you refer to are people asking when they can purchase the card at MSRP. I wanted a GTX 1070 right from the get-go and I do not feel like I had to wait that long. All I did what click auto notify on Newegg when the GTX 1070 I wanted was in stock a few days later I purchased it. I did not mind spending an additional 50 - 80 dollars over MSRP.
 
In today's world it seems more important to meet marketing deadlines then actually have a finished/deliverable product.

We always have this problem at work. Some prerequisite will get delayed. Do we change the deadline? Of course not, that would be silly. Was the deadline set arbitrarily in the first place, with next to no planning or process. Of course! We put the burden on the customer, internal in this case, and let them deal with it every single time.
 
All big companies work like that. Some manage "deadlines" better than others, but they all have to project expenditure and all that. Tax is once a year and they need to get numbers out the door. If your product cycle can't be squeezed in a single tax year, it becomes a huge PITA.

I could continue listing reasons for nVidia's and/or AMD's delays and problems in their chain of production from a general point of view, but it's a moot point to whine about it (sorry Math Geek 😛). Companies, I would say, are not happy when their products get delayed. They actually, you know, like making money. If they don't have their products on the shelves, they start incurring in costs (in the full chain of sale).

So, in all fairness, not only the consumer takes a hit with production chain delays, but every Company in the middle as well (some more than others, of course).

Maybe we are all accustomed to the "shinny new thing right now". Technology is not moving as fast as we would like it to nowadays, we might need to adjust expectations around them.

Cheers!
 
So I've completed my build guys and here it is.
That card you see there with its fancy block is a msi gtx 1080 gaming x with a beastly EK water-block.

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Anyway, I need some quick assistance. I'm attempting to overclock the gpu with msi afterurner but the "core voltage" slider up top which is used to....increase the core voltage, is locked. I've gone into msi afterburner settings and ticked the box which states "unlock voltage control" and applied the changes and the program reboot itself. My core voltage slider is still locked.

How do I unlock the damn thing? :/


EDIT:

Bleghhhhh disregard....I downloaded version 4.2.0 and not version 4.3.0 woops lol
 
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