Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Pascal Performance Review (Archive)

[TJ Hooker]

With technology advancement, things tend to get cheaper to produce. So take into account inflation and whatever, you still supposed to get cheaper product.

That's not really how it works. Yes, the cost for a given performance level should go down. Which is why we'll be seeing Polaris/Pascal GPUs with performance on par with the GTX 970 for cheaper than the 970 was. But that's not the same as saying that each generation of GTX x70 cards should be cheaper than the last. That wouldn't make sense, as eventually a GTX x70 would be end up priced down to a ~$100 card, and that'd basically redefine the x70 segment as an entry level card and they'd have to come up with a new tier/naming system for their higher end cards.

 

[n0ns3ns3]

That's not really how it works. Yes, the cost for a given performance level should go down. Which is why we'll be seeing Polaris/Pascal GPUs with performance on par with the GTX 970 for cheaper than the 970 was. But that's not the same as saying that each generation of GTX x70 cards should be cheaper than the last. That wouldn't make sense, as eventually a GTX x70 would be end up priced down to a ~$100 card, and that'd basically redefine the x70 segment as an entry level card and they'd have to come up with a new tier/naming system for their higher end cards.

Well ... it's like with cars. We have better cars with each generation for ~ same price in the same category.

 

[TJ Hooker]

@n0ns3ns3 that's kinda my point. Performance/dollar should improve, but new products in a given tier/performance category stay roughly the same price. And once the 1070's availability improves we should see it get close to the msrp, putting it's price roughly in line with previous generations.

 

[manleysteele]

If you're looking at price/performance, you should be comparing the 1070 to the 980. Same number of cores (more or less), same target audience (1440p gamers), a modest advance in price coupled with a big advance in performance.

 

[n0ns3ns3]

If you're looking at price/performance, you should be comparing the 1070 to the 980. Same number of cores (more or less), same target audience (1440p gamers), a modest advance in price coupled with a big advance in performance.

No. I compare the pricing of 1070 to 970, 770, 670,570 ...
980 should be compared to 1080
and 980ti to 1080ti.

And i don't really give a crap about "huge" performance jump. It's a third card in the line and should cost starting 350$

 

[rcald2000]

^ Agreed.

 

[manleysteele]

If you're looking at price/performance, you should be comparing the 1070 to the 980. Same number of cores (more or less), same target audience (1440p gamers), a modest advance in price coupled with a big advance in performance.

No. I compare the pricing of 1070 to 970, 770, 670,570 ...
980 should be compared to 1080
and 980ti to 1080ti.

And i don't really give a crap about "huge" performance jump. It's a third card in the line and should cost starting 350$

You really don't care about performance? I care about performance. I want the most performance I can get at my price point. Just curious. How did you arrive at the $350 figure?

 

[n0ns3ns3]

You really don't care about performance? I care about performance. I want the most performance I can get at my price point. Just curious. How did you arrive at the $350 figure?

Lol. Of course I care about performance. That the main driver to upgrade.
The 350$ comes from 970 for 330$ and 360$ for 570 and all in between.
That's the pricing for the nvidia's x70 models. what happens now is absurd due to the lack of competition and low supply. Welcome to monopoly.
While I can afford any card on the market ,I need the performance of 1070. But I will not pay for that thing more than it's supposed to cost. and that's bellow 400$ ideally at 350.

 

[TJ Hooker]

@n0ns3ns3 I like how you conveniently left out the GTX 670 and 770, both of which had an msrp of $400. Prices may be inflated right now, but the GTX 1070 msrp (ignoring the whole founders edition nonsense) is not out of line with historical GTX x70 prices.

 

[manleysteele]

You really don't care about performance? I care about performance. I want the most performance I can get at my price point. Just curious. How did you arrive at the $350 figure?

Lol. Of course I care about performance. That the main driver to upgrade.
The 350$ comes from 970 for 330$ and 360$ for 570 and all in between.
That's the pricing for the nvidia's x70 models. what happens now is absurd due to the lack of competition and low supply. Welcome to monopoly.
While I can afford any card on the market ,I need the performance of 1070. But I will not pay for that thing more than it's supposed to cost. and that's bellow 400$ ideally at 350.

I understand. I'm in wait and see mode myself. I don't actually need more performance for what I do. I just want it. I always have and I guess I'm in the group where being old makes you an old fool instead of making you wise. I may jump into the x80Ti fray, this time around. Still, I'm looking at that 2880p monitor I don't need and can't run and I have an itch I can't scratch. lol.

 

[n0ns3ns3]

@n0ns3ns3 I like how you conveniently left out the GTX 670 and 770, both of which had an msrp of $400. Prices may be inflated right now, the the GTX 1070 msrp (ignoring the whole founders edition nonsense) is not out of line with historical GTX x70 prices.

I already posted here some time ago about 7xx pricing that was pure pigliness and how fast the price of 770 dropped from 400 to 330 and how it reminds me what happens today with 1xxx series pricing.
And 670 is indeed an exception.

 

[n0ns3ns3]

I understand. I'm in wait and see mode myself. I don't actually need more performance for what I do. I just want it. I always have and I guess I'm in the group where being old makes you an old fool instead of making you wise. I may jump into the x80Ti fray, this time around. Still, I'm looking at that 2880p monitor I don't need and can't run and I have an itch I can't scratch. lol.

I'm not that young myself at 38
I satisfy my "want" with custom liquid loop for GPU and CPU. As for the "power train" components, I try to keep them in "need" which of course works only partially.

 

[manleysteele]

I want to upgrade my CPU, mobo and memory. I've even selected a setup that costs about $850. That doesn't include a new OS, but that's no bridge to cross either. I can't pull the trigger on the purchase because I know that the week after I do, 3dXpoint will come out and my mobo won't support it in the memory slot. Weird people have weird problems, right? If I were richer I could be eccentric. lol

 

[n0ns3ns3]

I want to upgrade my CPU, mobo and memory. I've even selected a setup that costs about $850. That doesn't include a new OS, but that's no bridge to cross either. I can't pull the trigger on the purchase because I know that the week after I do, 3dXpoint will come out and my mobo won't support it in the memory slot. Weird people have weird problems, right? If I were richer I could be eccentric. lol

exactly my reason not to buy M.2 SSD with over 2GBps for the desktop (i have a close enough to this speed in macbook pro).
Also the MB and CPU are 3 years old.

 

[manleysteele]

I think canyon lake is next in the intel hierarchy. If it doesn't support 3dXpoint out of the box, I'm going to be very disappointed. On the graphics front, I want to see what comes out that can run 2880p. There is nothing, so far. Two 1080Ti's might do it. Then again they might not. 2880p takes about double on 2160p. If I'm going to do this, I don't intend to accept any half measures. I won't sacrifice frame rate for dots per inch. This is going to hurt my wallet, isn't it? lol

 

[n0ns3ns3]

I'm more interested in 21:9. ideally ~103" at 8K pixel density

 

[manleysteele]

I've looked at 21:9 at all the present standard resolutions as well. 21:9 takes around 1.35 times as much graphics power as 16:9 at a given resolution and frame rate. Above 2 times that to get the same display to 100 fps. About 3.25 to get to 144 fps. Just some figures I have lying around. lol

 

[n0ns3ns3]

GTX 5080ti will do that at any resolution
my biggest issue would be which wall to use for the 103"

 

[JerryC]

Nice offering from Nvidia, but I will wait for the 1080ti or whatever they call their final offering for this generation. The only thing we know about that card is that it will run on the yet to be announced GP102 and have roughly 3800 cuda cores.

 

[Quixit]

Nice offering from Nvidia, but I will wait for the 1080ti or whatever they call their final offering for this generation. The only thing we know about that card is that it will run on the yet to be announced GP102 and have roughly 3800 cuda cores.

There is no evidence for a 1080 TI, the upcoming card is most likely a Titan. So start saving now.

 

[lucas_7_94]

Is something confirmed about the name? will be still called Titan?

 

[InvalidError]

Is something confirmed about the name? will be still called Titan?

Why wouldn't there be one? Based on the past three generations, there is very little doubt that it will happen in due time unless Nvidia runs into severe yield issues with the 400+sqmm die.

 

[manleysteele]

If we look toward recent history RE: NVidia, the Titan replacer will ship before the "1080Ti". Not a long wait between them, but for whatever reason, NVidia likes to get their big gun out before the cut down part. Also, neither may ship until after the Quadro P6000 or whatever they are going to call the next big professional graphics part. It will be interesting to see if they can maintain the clocks on the bigger GP102 dies. I guess we will know the answer to this and many other questions before too much time passes.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

but for whatever reason, NVidia likes to get their big gun out before the cut down part.

That reason is

 

[InvalidError]

but for whatever reason, NVidia likes to get their big gun out before the cut down part.

That reason is

Exactly. Fleece the super-enthusiasts first with the Titan and then fleece the slightly-less-big-walleted enthusiasts with the 1080Ti to put those Titan rejects (the 980Ti is a Titan X with two SMMs disabled) to good use.