Nvidia GeForce GTX 275 Preview: A Well-Timed Retaliatory Strike?

[cangelini]

No sooner had we wrapped the benchmarks for our Radeon HD 4890 review than the doorbell rang. It was Ryan the FedEx guy with a GeForce GTX 275 in his hands. Does Nvidia's latest have what it takes to silence the RV790 hype? Let's find out.

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[privardo]

This would be my good price, good performance and the right time upgrade from 8800 GTS 512mb. Thanks for this awesome review!

 

[eklipz330]

i think putting the competitors next to eachother would have been easier on the eyes... putting 4870x2 gtx295 next to eachother, 4890 gtx275 next to eachother...you catch my drift

 

[cangelini]

Yeah, but with each resolution its own color, after looking at it both ways, it was easier to put each product family in descending order--hopefully it makes just as much sense that way!

 

[eklipz330]

srry for dp but[id edit if i cud]
kudos to nvidia for stepping up their game in the last second that had nothing to do with renaming cards. an attractive card at an attractive price.

it'd be smart for ati to not release the 4890x2. wouldn't make any sense, like my grammar skills. hopefully drivers can catch up and do some damage, id doubt they woudl do anything dramatic though.

 

[megamanx00]

Too bad they didn't overclock the 4890 and the 275 for the review. I would have liked to have seen how the two cards compared overclocked. The heat and power dissipation on the 4890 would probably be a little scary though .

 

[megamanx00]

I think the big thing for nVidia now is, who's going to spend money on a 285 with the 275 so close?

 

[cangelini]

[citation][nom]megamanx00[/nom]Too bad they didn't overclock the 4890 and the 275 for the review. I would have liked to have seen how the two cards compared overclocked. The heat and power dissipation on the 4890 would probably be a little scary though .[/citation]

No need to fuel the tin-foil brigade elsewhere on the Web re: hand-picked cards. When we can get our hands on these boards for our System Builder Marathons, straight from e-tail, then we'll give you the goods on overclocking with the same boards available to everyone else!

 

[privardo]

Originally we said that the price would be $249 in the US, and €249 in Europe, however if the Euros-to-USD conversion is correct (1.00 Euro = 1.31 U.S. Dollars), the North American version should cost $327 instead.

If the retail price for this card is turn to be over $300, they will never fool this monkey cause he will just get two HD 4770 and crossfire'd them, which surely beat a single 275

 

[privardo]

"Originally we said that the price would be $249 in the US, and €249 in Europe, however if the Euros-to-USD conversion is correct (1.00 Euro = 1.31 U.S. Dollars), the North American version should cost $327 instead."

If the retail price for this card is turn to be over $300, they will never fool this monkey cause he will just get two HD 4770 and crossfire'd them, which surely beat a single 275

 

[ifko_pifko]

Well... summing all the framerates is just nonsense. ;-) The games with higher fps will weigh more than the others. (I know that in this test the variance in fps is not as wide as in tests with more games, but keep that in mind in the future please and learn the basics of statistics... )

 

[cangelini]

[citation][nom]ifko_pifko[/nom]Well... summing all the framerates is just nonsense. ;-) The games with higher fps will weigh more than the others. (I know that in this test the variance in fps is not as wide as in tests with more games, but keep that in mind in the future please and learn the basics of statistics... )[/citation]

Not sure if you got a chance to read that page or not, but it says:

With the frame rates added together, we get a “big picture” number to compare the various cards, though a comparison like this one is going to shift its weight most heavily to high-frame rate games like Left 4 Dead and de-emphasize titles like Crysis.

I agree that the usefulness of such a metric is limited, yet we've been asked for them, so they're provided =)

 

[ifko_pifko]

[citation][nom]cangelini[/nom]Not sure if you got a chance to read that page or not, but...

Sorry I didn't read it. But that doesn't change the fact, that any conclusion driven from it is highly distorted...
Who ever asked for this method of comparison probably didn't know what he wants. :-D

 

[lucuis]

[citation][nom]cangelini[/nom]Not sure if you got a chance to read that page or not, but it says:With the frame rates added together, we get a “big picture” number to compare the various cards, though a comparison like this one is going to shift its weight most heavily to high-frame rate games like Left 4 Dead and de-emphasize titles like Crysis.I agree that the usefulness of such a metric is limited, yet we've been asked for them, so they're provided =)[/citation]

Would have been much more sound to take an average.

 

[gkay09]

History repeats itself ...
8800GT performance similar to the 8800GTX's, for lesser price.
GTX275 performance similar to the GTX285's, for lesser price.

 

[privardo]

I quote that from the Tom's news!! If Nvidia and its partners have learned their lesson from the hard-competition given by ATI, they will sell this card just about $50 more expensive or less than the double of ATI entry mid-level 40nm card's price. I'm willing to pay extra $50 to get less fps, less memory speed & capacity and less raw processing power (all compare to HD 4770 crossfire'd)in exchange for their PhysX and CUDA. But never if the price spanned to $100. Not simply for saving money, but for their competition too. Playing fans either to ATI or NVIDIA, and they will return to their loyal purchaser sky-high price after win the market.
Less than two years ago 8800 Ultra was priced $800-$900, just to make this monkey wondered, do they use gold in producing that ultra chip?

 

[IzzyCraft]

[citation][nom]gkay09[/nom]History repeats itself ...8800GT performance similar to the 8800GTX's, for lesser price.GTX275 performance similar to the GTX285's, for lesser price.[/citation]
So then the GTX275 will be recycled 3 times because if it works just rename it!
But seriously G92 8800GT great release from nvidia that blew away ati in the price for performance

 

[RazberyBandit]

I can't help but wonder how many companies will be selling off their now "discontinued" GTX 280 stock at equal or higher prices than the newer, better, GTX 275, as if it's still better than the 275 just because it's number is higher... nVIDIA is still playing a bit of the mis-named game. They should have named it the 280X, 280+, 280MkII, or something along those lines so as not to leave any chance of screwing over the misinformed and uninformed buyers out there.

An example already exists:

EVGA has their GTX 280 1024MB in their "B-Stock" store still selling for $269.99. That's $20 more than their pre-order price set for the GTX 275 896MB. You really think lower clock and memory speeds with an additional 128MB memory is worth the difference? Even when their "B-Stock" items come with ZERO accessories?

Gimme a break nVIDIA. Your cards are solid, but it's about damn time you learned to name them properly.

 

[joewho]

I would have liked to see TEMP'S on both cards. I've had HD4850's and HD4870's and what I hate is the Temps.

 

[Pei-chen]

ATI and Nvidia should fix their prices and price their cards better; $50 increments from $50 to $600. I don’t like the idea a $300 card could beat the previous gen’s $500 card because of competition.

Ford and GM for the win.

 

[JPForums]

Would have been much more sound to take an average.

An average would still give more weight to the higher FPS games. The lower FPS games are more important as there is effectively no difference between 100FPS and 120FPS.

If you want an overall figure, you need to first normalize each game's benchmark so that they weigh evenly. To get a normalized score, you'd divide a cards FPS by the FPS of the highest performing card in the group. Whether you normalize across resolutions, game settings, or just games is up to you as long as you specify. Using this method you will often see a larger spread for low FPS games (though they should be more important anyways). However, this represents the true difference between the card (percentage wise) and should not be mitigated.

If you really wanted an overall apples to apples, you'd apply the above method, but only use settings for the games that each card being compared can play smoothly. It doesn't matter if you get 7FPS or 12FPS, you can't play it either way. You might want to divide the comparisons into classes (highend, mid-highend, etc) to get an effective overall comparison.

 

[Pei-chen]

Like someone already said, this card feels like another 8800GT. I could see myself buying this card as GTS 350 for $120 next year.

 

[sublifer]

[citation][nom]cangelini[/nom]Not sure if you got a chance to read that page or not, but it says:With the frame rates added together, we get a “big picture” number to compare the various cards, though a comparison like this one is going to shift its weight most heavily to high-frame rate games like Left 4 Dead and de-emphasize titles like Crysis.I agree that the usefulness of such a metric is limited, yet we've been asked for them, so they're provided =)[/citation]
A more useful metric might be:
The sum of (frame rate of card on a test)*100/(highest frame rate of cards on that test)
You could also divide that figure by the number of tests to show an average score

 

[bounty]

. If Stalker: Clear Sky supports 10.1 I believe you should have at least posted the 10.1 results, then maybe added the DX10 results if you had the time. You took time to demonstrate the Physx advantage, why not the 10.1?

-Bounty (8800GT and 4830 owner)

 

[leo2kp]

Maybe I'm just lost or confused and maybe it's been answered before, but why are you running your RAM at 1066 and not 1600?