Nvidia GeForce GTX 780 Ti Review: GK110, Fully Unlocked

[Memnarchon]

@somebodyspecial

I think Techpowerup did a great OC too, but W1zzard didn't say how much the boost was. Only refered to base clock and not the one from boost:

Maximum overclock of our sample is 1120 MHz GPU (base) clock (28% overclocking) and 1975 MHz memory (13% overclock).

The numbers of performance he got from oc a day 1 reference GPU are incredible:

 

[somebodyspecial]

None of this matter if none of game devs develop games exclusively for PC. They prioritize console first then to PC. I miss the old days when there are different games on PC and consoles. Now pretty much all AAA titles will come to all platform (except the exclusive one). With consoles getting top priority nowadays, I can just play them on console w/o having to wait for PC. Then when the PC version come out, yes I can play on better res and better graphic, but nowadays games don't have good replay value. Such a waste if I have a rig over $1k just to play the same game with better graphic but no replay value from console. Please game devs, go back to what it used to be before PS3 and Xbox 360 came. Then I will buy GTX780 Ti or whatever beast of a card that in store later.

You could say this about consoles last gen. This one shows from GDC 2013 (2800 US.Euro devs total) going 60% mobile, 40% PC, under 15% for every other console (12% for next gen have anything planned and most with wait see past Q1 sales to see if sales tank).

Consoles are dead in a few years if they make it that far. They have so many competitors this time where only had PC before. The combo of everyone else coming for them will kill them and drive devs more to PC/Mobile. This is a chicken egg deal. No sales of hardware (past xmas bang) = no dev support.No devs writing, no games catalog to convince us to buy either. If you can't sell the hardware you can't get games to spur more hardware. When this next gen went on the drawing board they had no idea they'd be looking at kepler mobile etc in phones/tablets etc, steamboxes, ouya, wikipad, gamepop, shield, blah blah...Long list of people coming for them and are all gamepad ready, now with steam gamepad mapping software. Tough life for consoles coming up

Edit: forgot MadCatz Mojo and probably a few others.

 

[dragonsqrrl]

Slap a waterblock on the 290x and this card and overclock both of them to the limit and we will se which one is better.Still,i'm not gonna pay an extra $300 for this card over the 290x

Okay, even if we take that extraordinarily weak argument into account, if overclocked air cooling results are any indication Nvidia has a definite advantage in terms of overclocking headroom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1JOhT015ww

And I know a lot of people love to slip in small exaggerations to help boast their arguments in the hopes that no will take notice, but don't you think you're taking that a bit far with the supposed $300 price discrepancy?

 

[somebodyspecial]

@somebodyspecial

I think Techpowerup did a great OC too, but W1zzard didn't say how much the boost was. Only refered to base clock and not the one from boost:

Maximum overclock of our sample is 1120 MHz GPU (base) clock (28% overclocking) and 1975 MHz memory (13% overclock).

The numbers of performance he got from oc a day 1 reference GPU are incredible:

Yes good scores from that...Also shows 1176 in the boost on that up in the OC tool (gpuz same page at top, I almost missed it as he doesn't mention it elsewhere).

Got through canucks, shows 16% faster than 290, 9% over uber, 15% over quiet 290x, so again from your links confirming avg everywhere of TI over 290x/290. and certainly confirms your statement previously.

http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-video-card-review_128012/12
Legit shows avg OC gain across 3 games being 15.1-17.7% (across 2560 and 1080p both). I doubt a fan change for 290x has any chance of catching what they already show normal on 780TI + another 15-20% from out of the box Overclocking. You would need water to catch these gains and with that I'd take 780ti and sell the 3 games for $100 as VGA water will add ~$100 to your 290's and void the warranty doing it (fan replacement does that too). Having said that, I'm 20nm only. I was just doing homework to see what to expect for friends and 20nm hopes
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130923
Hydro Waterblocked already with no warranty killed 😉 for $699 same as fan versions. I wonder what that can pump out for fps

 

[Damon Palovaara]

In before 295X

 

[10tacle]

Nvidia fanboy here and buyer, with the last AMD card being a 4870. AMD owns with the 290x for bang/buck ratio and will continue to do so for some time. The 780Ti is not a bargain at all for a 10-15% increase in performance that cost another $150. You can get two 770s for less that will beat it by a solid 15%. Will be interesting to see what the 800-series brings next spring.

 

[somebodyspecial]

As this is the card we would have seen last year if the 7xxx series had been better its AMD that need to try harder, Nvidia have been sitting on this card for over a year now! :lol:

Also, like the article correctly points out. If you're willing to spend USD$700 for a video card, you want a long term investment, so 3GB sounds really cheap on nVidias part. They really need to put a 6GB version of it fast.

Like I said, it's a great card and all, but the price point is way off.

Cheers!

But he also said they ran into no problems until 7680x1440. You will run out of memory then sure, but you'll also be running FAR under 30fps min and need a 2nd card immediately fixing this right? So no worries. They notices nothing at 2160P. I would buy 2 for that anyway. It's already too slow in a few games at 1080p with everything maxed as linustechtips etc shows. I see no site showing memory, just claiming one day you might need more (but my answer is, it will always be to slow anyway and you'll add a 2nd fixing it).

If they add more mem, great, but I'd rather make sure I get Gsync (this is my futureproof), streaming, shadowplay, physx, Cuda, low temps, noise, 3 AAA games etc and OCing out of the box that shows 15-20% gains everywhere with no need to change any fans, void warranty etc. Better drivers too (witness the variance thing, Fcat etc over the last year). It's all worth nothing to you I guess? Add Geforce Experience for some as even anandtech said AMD's sucks. It's a lot of stuff added up for $150 over 290x.

 

[somebodyspecial]

Slap a waterblock on the 290x and this card and overclock both of them to the limit and we will se which one is better.Still,i'm not gonna pay an extra $300 for this card over the 290x

Okay, even if we take that extraordinarily weak argument into account, if overclocked air cooling results are any indication Nvidia has a definite advantage in terms of overclocking headroom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1JOhT015ww

And I know a lot of people love to slip in small exaggerations to help boast their arguments in the hopes that no will take notice, but don't you think you're taking that a bit far with the supposed $300 price discrepancy?

One weak argument deserves another, but mine sort of make sense at least 😉 So I take my 3 AAA games and sell them for $100, now that card is $600 vs. 290x and it needs no block to win as linustechtips vid shows. A water block won't get it all the NV features I listed either. I didn't realize the 290x was $400... j/k He has great deals Is he getting that price in lots of 10,000 or something? I thought it was $550. Oh and if I have a friend or someone wanting shield that ISN'T buying a card, I can sell that coupon for $100 to them for what $30-50? So now they're the same price right? :lol:

 

[boytitan2]

Better cooling won't make the 290'x faster that the 780 ti benchmarks have been done with after market 290'xs in ubber mode and the 3gb stock version of the 780 ti at stock speed wins so just think of what 780 tis will do when over clocked or with aftermarket versions with 4-5 gigs of ram. I get it nvidia are pretty much being dicks but amd is allowing them to be dicks. Think about it Nvidia had this card sitting in storage for months and AMD still couldn't beat it.

 

[Tc17]

Personally I don't mind if Nvidia has the fastest card, as its way overpriced anyways. And it causes AMD to keep their prices lower. I MUCH prefer AMD cards, and will be waiting for their custom cooled cards to come out.

 

[slomo4sho]

So I take my 3 AAA games and sell them for $100

Wishful thinking... Batman Origins = $20-25, Assassin's Creed 4 IV Black Flag & Splinter Cell Blacklist = $40. Looking at $50-55 after fees.

 

[eddieroolz]

My take is that Nvidia priced the GTX 780 Ti on the upper end of what makes "sense". Consider the following.

The 290X requires one of the following in order to consistently beat/match the 780 Ti:

- Aftermarket fan (~$70)
- Water block (~$100)
- Purchase of third-party board (~$10-$80 premium depending on choice).

Let's take the aftermarket fan as the point of consideration. The fan adds $70 to the $550 price point, resulting in $620 total, but allows Hawaii to scale up beautifully.

The fact one doesn't need to bother with aftermarket & warranty-voiding action adds value to some people as well. At this point, we're comparing $700 to $620, a much more palatable comparison if one is already committed to spending over half a grand on one component.

 

[invlem]

I'm going to hold off a bit and see what the 3rd party manufacturers strap onto the 290/290X. A decent non-stock heatsink should put most of the issues to bed with noise/heat. After that I can't see the $700 price tag holding up to the 290 series...

 

[17seconds]

Wait, why isn't that whole "Press" sample versus "Retail" sample a huge scandal? I mean they are lying to the consumer, and playing them for fools. Or maybe people are in a forgiving mood?

 

[spike_hades]

People are sheep. Sheep are people. Come on sheeples, let's blindly buy Nvidia cards even when they are substantially more expensive and sometimes perform a smidge better. Let's buy them, because we are are blind and stupid, and would rather give the Green God our hard earned money instead of spending it on something more worthwhile. Let's do the illogical thing, and buy a poor value product because hey, logic is boring. Geforce; the opiate of the masses.

 

[axefire0]

/Quote
Don't know if anyone has replied to you yet, but I see where your going with this and it is not only hugely dependant on the resolution, but the size of the screen too. (PPI)

On my nexus 4 (318 PPI screen), all I need is 4xMSAA to make every curve appear perfect, while I use much higher (usually 4x Transparent SSAA + 8x MSAA depending on the game) on my desktop screen (which I believe is around 110PPI). So with a 4K monitor like the ASUS PQ321Q (31.5" 140 PPI) I would have some AA but not alot.

It also depends on the individual. Some people don't mind a few jaggies here and there, while others can't stand them. Eventually AA might become more of a gimmick (maybe when we are gaming on 300PPI monitors at a crazy res) but for now, I think 4K would still look a little better with some AA. /Quote

Can someone on the know test and/or compute the relatuonship between PPI and anti-aliasing? What is the best setting at specific PPIs. Thanks.

 

[17seconds]

The 7990 "Red Wedding" article showed significant discrepancies between the Press and Retail samples as well. They got away with it then, why not do it every time?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-crossfire-overheat,3539-2.html

 

[Retaliator]

Lol My cool and quiet Superclocked 780 still does the job nicely.

 

[nikrusty]

nice ending Chris

 

[nikoli707]

from what i can tell the 290x is untested as it is yet to have an actually decent air cooler and stay under 70c on full load for a measureable amount of time. unofficial overclocker.net runs show a waterblocked 290x hitting like 12000 on firestrike but this is only one user. its gonna take time to let the overclockers and their non ln2 and stable waterblocks funnel through to see which chip is really the fastest. but its very exciting times to see a full gk110 enter the market and let the games begin.

 

[gadgety]

CUDA performance - howcome the GTX780Ti performs relatively badly in Blender Cycles? Only 7.5% faster than the GTX580. Blender forum user Magenta Shift using the updated v2.68 of Blender Cycles and an overclocked 780, got 29 seconds for the BMW render, which is about the same as the Titan. That's 27.5% faster than the 580, with 5.6x the number of CUDA cores. Clearly not linear scaling, but still substiantially better than what Tomshardware got. Time to update Tomshardware's Blender Cycles version!

 

[silverblue]

Yeah, but AMD has the advantage of getting a billion or two from Intel every now and then since Intel grinds the piss poor AMD CPUs into paste and still somehow feels the need to compete unfairly by paying off OEMs.

That's a pisspoor business plan though.

No. AMD received money just the once, and that was purely because Intel was feeling the heat from the regulators. It's their way of saying sorry without actually admitting to anything (but it's as good as). The main objective seems to be to avoid being found guilty by US investigators.

 

[Divyanshu Sah]

gtx 690 and hd 7990 still remain unbeated.

 

[Novuake]

gtx 690 and hd 7990 still remain unbeated.

UnDEFEATED. Or unbeatEN.

 

[The_Trutherizer]

Any card does better when all the breaks come off.