Nvidia GeForce GTX 780 Ti Review: GK110, Fully Unlocked

[I3lood Eagle]

Everyone knows when Intel comes into the GPU market they're gonna beat AMD and NVIDIA duh... quit be fan boys gahhhh

 

[nikoli707]

intel will absolutely not be in the discrete gpu market anytime in the next 5 years.

 

[I3lood Eagle]

intel will absolutely not be in the discrete gpu market anytime in the next 5 years.

You the CEO?

 

[RealBeast]

intel will absolutely not be in the discrete gpu market anytime in the next 5 years.

Not unless they used some of their pocket change and bought NVIDIA. 😀

 

[nikoli707]

intel has shareholders who they answer to and they would be talking about projects their thinking about. intel already dropped out of that race about 3 years ago back in the 4xx/5xxx generation. if intel wanted to get back into that race... it would take them from start to finish about 4 years. nvidia had been working on the gk110 chip for about 3.5 years before the titan was actually released... so in reality this 780ti is in actuality 4 years old now... nvidia is already working on what will come out after maxwell. computer tech just doesnt make itself... it takes time. granted... it would be nice to see and have another option on the block, but its not going to happen overnight so we have at least 2 more generations of video cards from amd/nvidia before its even possible intel would release something in the discrete gpu market.

 

[slomo4sho]

intel will absolutely not be in the discrete gpu market anytime in the next 5 years.

Not unless they used some of their pocket change and bought NVIDIA. 😀

Considering that discrete graphics is a shrinking market, I am unsure why they would...

JPR found that AIB shipments during Q4 2012 behaved according to past years with regard to seasonality, but the drop was considerably more dramatic. AIB shipments decreased 17.3% from the last quarter (the 10 year average is just -0.68%). On a year-to-year comparison, shipments were down 10%.

 

[RealBeast]

"Considering that discrete graphics is a shrinking market, I am unsure why they would... "

As an Intel shareholder I think it would be a terrible idea to buy into a mature market that is past its prime, but MS and Intel have spent a ton on poor acquisitions over the years, so nothing would shock me.

 

[Gurg]

Evidently even with the crap reference cooler, there is a temp range where the Ti will outperform the 290x and vice versus. If the ambient room temp is below X, the 290x won't throttle back and if the ambient room temp is too high the Ti will absolutely stop dead in tracks and the 290X will slow way down but continue to run.

OK so at 78º in your test lab with an open system the Ti is the fastest card. Do you have the heat running as the high outside air temps in Bakersfield are less than 78º if you opened the window. In Denver today the outside temp is 65º so I guess that the Ti may not be the fastest GPU if tested in Denver with the windows open today. The chip fab and testing areas of the semiconductor plant where I worked had a constant temp of I believe 67º with a positive air pressure. For fab workers gowned up that was a comfortable room temp while in the offices it felt cold.

While this may seem snarky, my point is that 78º is a very high air temp in which to do comparison testing, especially when all the AMD cpus and GPUs are known to run at higher temps. The heat in my Denver house is set to 69º day/60º night and my air to 72º. In the evenings when gaming I'll open my study window when the temps fall below the 72º air conditioner setting. 72º seems like a fairer temp for comparison testing.

FYI I have a Windforce 680 in my computer set at 1250/6600 so I'm not an AMD fanboy.

"The average air conditioning temperature that central air should blow at would be 70 degrees. This is a neutral degree while most of the year, the outside temperature is not exceedingly 20 degrees more or less than 70. Twenty degrees is an important number to remember. No matter how good the system, the house can not be cooled or heated to well below or above 20 degrees of the outside temperature. It will just work harder trying, and cost lots of money."

 

[Quaddro]

Evidently even with the crap reference cooler, there is a temp range where the Ti will outperform the 290x and vice versus. If the ambient room temp is below X, the 290x won't throttle back and if the ambient room temp is too high the Ti will absolutely stop dead in tracks and the 290X will slow way down but continue to run.

OK so at 78º in your test lab with an open system the Ti is the fastest card. Do you have the heat running as the high outside air temps in Bakersfield are less than 78º if you opened the window. In Denver today the outside temp is 65º so I guess that the Ti may not be the fastest GPU if tested in Denver with the windows open today. The chip fab and testing areas of the semiconductor plant where I worked had a constant temp of I believe 67º with a positive air pressure. For fab workers gowned up that was a comfortable room temp while in the offices it felt cold.

While this may seem snarky, my point is that 78º is a very high air temp in which to do comparison testing, especially when all the AMD cpus and GPUs are known to run at higher temps. The heat in my Denver house is set to 69º day/60º night and my air to 72º. In the evenings when gaming I'll open my study window when the temps fall below the 72º air conditioner setting. 72º seems like a fairer temp for comparison testing.

FYI I have a Windforce 680 in my computer set at 1250/6600 so I'm not an AMD fanboy.

"The average air conditioning temperature that central air should blow at would be 70 degrees. This is a neutral degree while most of the year, the outside temperature is not exceedingly 20 degrees more or less than 70. Twenty degrees is an important number to remember. No matter how good the system, the house can not be cooled or heated to well below or above 20 degrees of the outside temperature. It will just work harder trying, and cost lots of money."

So AMD and Nvidia assume all of us living in the north pole..😀
yeah, user from arabian region maybe will not run any of hot and high end computer stuff..

 

[I3lood Eagle]

"Considering that discrete graphics is a shrinking market, I am unsure why they would... "

As an Intel shareholder I think it would be a terrible idea to buy into a mature market that is past its prime, but MS and Intel have spent a ton on poor acquisitions over the years, so nothing would shock me.

Truest thing I've heard all day..

 

[SessouXFX]

With the uprising of the 780, R9 290 and 290X, I don't see how Nvidia can justify keeping the price tag of the Titan as high as it is right now.

 

[Mousemonkey]

With the uprising of the 780, R9 290 and 290X, I don't see how Nvidia can justify keeping the price tag of the Titan as high as it is right now.

That's because you don't understand what the Titan actually is.

 

[SessouXFX]

That may be....

But even so, considering the hoopla surround it's release, and being highly coveted by a minority of gamers, why would even enthusiasts try to get their hands on one when there are better options available? It's like looking and salivating over the 4960X, but you also know there are at least 3 other processors that are just as capable and cost less to boot.

 

[wavetrex]

At the moment, it's not a win for AMD due to the heat problems on the reference cooler.

However, only considering the silicon, the Hawaii chip is superior to GK110(b) in so many ways, and it's also much newer.
With proper cooling (from a partner like Gigabyte with their Windforce) or something even more fancy, it will be an unimaginable beast. I expect that thing to go to 1200Mhz and lay waste on anything nVidia and it's partners can do with the (old) GK110 chip.

Let's wait and see!

 

[Retaliator]

Considering how old the Titan and 780's are AMD have taken this long to match their performance, my last 2 cards have been Radeons with aftermarket coolers one being Gigabyte Windforce and the other a Sapphire, I was looking forward to the 290X however heat issues like that along with driver issues and crossfire issues I have switched to Nvidia and couldnt be happier, MY S/C 780 overclocks very well also without getting warm (EVGA ACX Cooler FTW) And with new Geforce cards not too far away AMD has lost me for now.

 

[I3lood Eagle]

Thank of all those bitcoins you'll be virtually swimming in with the R9 290... (gasps and sighs relieved)

 

[I3lood Eagle]

The truth is when you first become an enthusiast you don't really have a preference, but then when you grow in terms of what you like you become a fanboy, and you usually rally behind whatever you're familiar with because it comes easiest. In honesty AMD makes great cards, and on the other hand Nvidia makes great cards as well. The main fact of the matter is that people are greedy animals and usually go for that which they think will serve them best for the money they're paying and that is AMD most of the time, but if you want a cream of the crop card with bells and whistles you're going to pay a premium for an Nvidia card. Whatever AMD and Nvidia do to each other in terms of price to performance battles is great for us because we're the ones who get to really feel the reverberation eg... just a week or so ago the Nvidia cards dropped in price (A LOT) due to Nvidia thinking they were going to get manhandled at every price point. What I'm trying to say is don't worry about who has the biggest Epeen, you all act like animals we're PC enthusiasts not console gamers

PS... GOD BLESS MURICA'

 

[Retaliator]

Hehe well said I3lood Eagle , AMD do make great products ive used alot and the competition is great, Nvidia are always overpriced but at the end of the day Ill buy the best product for my needs regardless of the manufacturer. As soon as aftermarket coolers come out the 290X will probly do well but amd shoulda released a better reference cooler in my opinion 95Degrees is too hot to have in a case in my opinion

 

[I3lood Eagle]

Hehe well said I3lood Eagle , AMD do make great products ive used alot and the competition is great, Nvidia are always overpriced but at the end of the day Ill buy the best product for my needs regardless of the manufacturer. As soon as aftermarket coolers come out the 290X will probly do well but amd shoulda released a better reference cooler in my opinion 95Degrees is too hot to have in a case in my opinion

I'm buying an R9 290 nonX edition and putting an Arctic Accelero on it, from the benchmarks it can outperform a 290x for about $100 less because unlike the 290x it can keep itself cool and functioning

 

[Quaddro]

I'm buying an R9 290 nonX edition and putting an Arctic Accelero on it, from the benchmarks it can outperform a 290x for about $100 less because unlike the 290x it can keep itself cool and functioning

I wonder if mk-13 is fits on that card..
I have a mk-13 lay on 5850 right now, but i don't wanna spend more money if i upgrade to a more power full card like yours..

 

[I3lood Eagle]

I'm buying an R9 290 nonX edition and putting an Arctic Accelero on it, from the benchmarks it can outperform a 290x for about $100 less because unlike the 290x it can keep itself cool and functioning

I wonder if mk-13 is fits on that card..
I have a mk-13 lay on 5850 right now, but i don't wanna spend more money if i upgrade to a more power full card like yours..

not sure unfortunately man, it just depends honestly you might wanna open a thread about it...

 

[Gurg]

Hehe well said I3lood Eagle , AMD do make great products ive used alot and the competition is great, Nvidia are always overpriced but at the end of the day Ill buy the best product for my needs regardless of the manufacturer. As soon as aftermarket coolers come out the 290X will probly do well but amd shoulda released a better reference cooler in my opinion 95Degrees is too hot to have in a case in my opinion

I'm buying an R9 290 nonX edition and putting an Arctic Accelero on it, from the benchmarks it can outperform a 290x for about $100 less because unlike the 290x it can keep itself cool and functioning

Evidently the 290x can keep itself cool enough to run at full speed with out throttling back at around 76% fan speed, just not the 40% quiet or 55% uber settings. Its a shame the reviewers didn't bother to find out what the necessary fan speed was before trashing the card. The noise level they are saying hurts their ears of 59db is less than the sound of three 120mm case fans. I believe the db readings were supposed at 50cm from the computer, not even arms length.

In a testing of ipod users " The majority of the participants, 55 percent, listened at "very loud levels," or more than 85 dB. About 26 percent listened at levels between 70 dB and 85 dB, and 19 percent preferred volumes less than 70 dB."

 

[niz]

All this power is very nice on paper, but where are the games that can actually use it?
As far as I can see, there really aren't any games out there that justify this kind of card, especially for single monitor 1920x1080 setups which is what I'm guessing many if not most of us actually have.

I'm actually still content with my 3 yr old GTX 580. I haven't even found a game (that I actually want to play) that maxxes even that out yet.

 

[mapesdhs]

I'm actually still content with my 3 yr old GTX 580. I haven't even found a game (that I actually want to play) that maxxes even that out yet.

And if you stick with a 1080 res display, adding a 2nd 580 will give
you the performance of a 780; plenty for many of the newer games
out now. Do you have the 1.5GB 580? I bought two of the 3GB 580s;
more noise than a newer card like a 780, but a heck of a lot cheaper.

Ian.

 

[niz]

Seems to me like these benchmarks clearly show the 690 is actually the card to go for.