Nvidia GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Review

[JackNaylorPE]

In the end it's up to the OP to decide based on his own setup, the games he's playing, etc. I've seen plenty of posts from people who say having a larger RAM card did help (lots of them on the Skyrim pics thread), but of course it's not going to benefit everyone. Saying it won't benefit him though is wrong, you don't know that, so quoting links to imply that's the case makes no sense, it's trying to justify a position which hasn't yet been established. SLI setups by definition are not as smooth as a single card, never can be. You mentioned the article talks about Max Payne, but unless the OP is playing MP, who cares? What matters is what he's using the system for. Now you might indeed be right, but atm neither you or I can tell, we don't have his system; only he can do relevant tests & decide.......

Whether or not the OP's setup is giving him sufficient grief to warrant a change based on his tolerance levels is up to him.

PS. TH didn't trim the link btw; instead, trying to access the page just gives, "Error establishing a database connection".

The link is working just fine.

I am lost as to your reasoning that showing links which contain actual test results is not relevant.....there's 34 game comparisons on that link none of which show a significant advantage for 4GB, some which lose performance at 4GB. It also echoes similar testing which is consistent. The point of Max Payne is not that ax payne shopwed the same lack of performance difference as the other 33 games, it was to once and for all prove the point that "using more than X GB is a very different thing from "suffering performance disadvantages from having < 4GB

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_960_g1_gaming_4gb_review,12.html

Alien Isolation - No change
Thief - Few spikes but same average fps
Shadow of Mordor - No change

And here we have the exact same conclusion

What is interesting to see is that the 4GB version utilized over 3GB memory here, the 2GB version obviously can only utilize 2GB. That has no effect on FPS or game rendering experience whatsoever though.

With VRAM analyzed we can conclude that 2GB of 4GB hardly will have an effect on the average framerate, but in higher resolutions with certain games it can prevent loading textures or caching shaders, and that helps again a bit of stuttering here and there.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Video-Card-Performance-2GB-vs-4GB-Memory-154/

How many more ya want ?

This is the same type of thing as system RAM..... with some games, there is no advantage from faster / lower CAS RAM .....with most games there is a slight advantage ..... and with some games there is a huge advantage.

So it's not just max payne, max payne is the norm not the exception. There's 41 examples of "no significant impact" one way or the other. Are there any games that do show significant impacts, yes of course.

Assassins Creed Unity is one that shows a big impact even at 1080p.... in testing with the 2 GB vs 4GB 960, 39 fps w/ 4 GB down to 33 fps w/ 2 GB. But again, just like with system slow versus fast system RAM, the impact is greater on minimum fps than it is ion average. The 1% low fps (meaning 1% of the frames are delivered at this speed) drops from 32 to 19. Newer Ubisoft games seem to be particurlarly susceptible to this phenomenon, as FC4 also shows a noticeable drop going from 1% low fps dropping from 52 with 4 GB to 45 at 1080p, 35 to 25 at 1440p and 15 to 13 at 4k.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

Well as 3d artist I must say that rarely my work fits in 6GB of RAM. As a matter of fact I have 32GB on my machine and when using CPU rendering, most of my work goes in between 16GB - 24GB of RAM usage while rendering.
So for me, for example, Titan is basically only choice. Speed is almost same, but RAM is REALLY important here. As you can not combine RAMs but you can cores.

Titan's role as I see it is for the dude / dudette who wants to be able to game and render on the same box.

 

[jimmysmitty]

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In the end it's up to the OP to decide based on his own setup, the games he's playing, etc. I've seen plenty of posts from people who say having a larger RAM card did help (lots of them on the Skyrim pics thread), but of course it's not going to benefit everyone. Saying it won't benefit him though is wrong, you don't know that, so quoting links to imply that's the case makes no sense, it's trying to justify a position which hasn't yet been established. SLI setups by definition are not as smooth as a single card, never can be. You mentioned the article talks about Max Payne, but unless the OP is playing MP, who cares? What matters is what he's using the system for. Now you might indeed be right, but atm neither you or I can tell, we don't have his system; only he can do relevant tests & decide.......

Whether or not the OP's setup is giving him sufficient grief to warrant a change based on his tolerance levels is up to him.

PS. TH didn't trim the link btw; instead, trying to access the page just gives, "Error establishing a database connection".

The link is working just fine.

I am lost as to your reasoning that showing links which contain actual test results is not relevant.....there's 34 game comparisons on that link none of which show a significant advantage for 4GB, some which lose performance at 4GB. It also echoes similar testing which is consistent. The point of Max Payne is not that ax payne shopwed the same lack of performance difference as the other 33 games, it was to once and for all prove the point that "using more than X GB is a very different thing from "suffering performance disadvantages from having < 4GB

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_960_g1_gaming_4gb_review,12.html

Alien Isolation - No change
Thief - Few spikes but same average fps
Shadow of Mordor - No change

And here we have the exact same conclusion

What is interesting to see is that the 4GB version utilized over 3GB memory here, the 2GB version obviously can only utilize 2GB. That has no effect on FPS or game rendering experience whatsoever though.

With VRAM analyzed we can conclude that 2GB of 4GB hardly will have an effect on the average framerate, but in higher resolutions with certain games it can prevent loading textures or caching shaders, and that helps again a bit of stuttering here and there.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Video-Card-Performance-2GB-vs-4GB-Memory-154/

How many more ya want ?

This is the same type of thing as system RAM..... with some games, there is no advantage from faster / lower CAS RAM .....with most games there is a slight advantage ..... and with some games there is a huge advantage.

So it's not just max payne, max payne is the norm not the exception. There's 41 examples of "no significant impact" one way or the other. Are there any games that do show significant impacts, yes of course.

Assassins Creed Unity is one that shows a big impact even at 1080p.... in testing with the 2 GB vs 4GB 960, 39 fps w/ 4 GB down to 33 fps w/ 2 GB. But again, just like with system slow versus fast system RAM, the impact is greater on minimum fps than it is ion average. The 1% low fps (meaning 1% of the frames are delivered at this speed) drops from 32 to 19. Newer Ubisoft games seem to be particurlarly susceptible to this phenomenon, as FC4 also shows a noticeable drop going from 1% low fps dropping from 52 with 4 GB to 45 at 1080p, 35 to 25 at 1440p and 15 to 13 at 4k.

The thing is that older games, ones still developed on older consoles especially, wont benefit from more VRAM. As new games come they will. GTA V benefits from more VRAM. Mostly at 1440P or higher but it is also a very different game. At any one time there is tons of AI and other things going on.

The games that will benefit are the ones with higher resolution textures mainly but those still wont kill more than 4GB of VRAM at 1080P.

I still think that for the next 5 years 4GB will be the norm with more being needed to push 4K to the same graphics levels.

Then again DX12 might alleviate some of that but I doubt it.

I will also let you know ho the new Batman performs with 3GB of VRAM and possibly 4GB as I am planning a new GPU soon.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

I don't talk about 4K cause it's just not ready for prime time.... until it has 144 hz, the necessary new spec for display port to drive it and cards faster than we have today, I just can't get excited about it.

SOM is a new game and does quite well at 2 GB .... not perfect but not anything to cry about.

I agree that we are quite fine with 970s in all but the rarest of instances. Not sure if the issues with Ubisoft (FC4 to a minor extent and AC Unity it's very real even at 1080p) will get ironed out thru patches or driver updates but if not, thier games may finally make this myth a reality sooner than we thought.

 

[corndog1836]

Well as 3d artist I must say that rarely my work fits in 6GB of RAM. As a matter of fact I have 32GB on my machine and when using CPU rendering, most of my work goes in between 16GB - 24GB of RAM usage while rendering.
So for me, for example, Titan is basically only choice. Speed is almost same, but RAM is REALLY important here. As you can not combine RAMs but you can cores.

Titan's role as I see it is for the dude / dudette who wants to be able to game and render on the same box.

hey Jack. what do you think about DX12 and the stacking enhancement???

 

[JackNaylorPE]

I don't think anything about it yet not comfy making judgments on pre-release claims.

Remember when we were told that Windows 8 was faster than Win 7 ?

N O T .....

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/windows-7-vs-windows-8-1-mini-performance-analysis/

 

[corndog1836]

I don't think anything about it yet not comfy making judgments on pre-release claims.

Remember when we were told that Windows 8 was faster than Win 7 ?

N O T .....

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/windows-7-vs-windows-8-1-mini-performance-analysis/

I HEAR YAAAAAA!!!! It has peaked my interest though and makes for some good reading

 

[Madmaxneo]

I don't think anything about it yet not comfy making judgments on pre-release claims.

Remember when we were told that Windows 8 was faster than Win 7 ?

N O T .....

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/windows-7-vs-windows-8-1-mini-performance-analysis/

After looking through those numbers I have a need to add them up and see which one has an overall smaller number (I may do a total and an average in excel). It seems when looking at that chart there are more games with lower numbers on the windows 8.1 side. But to be honest those numbers are so small it does not make a difference at all. The difference between them never reaches more that 2 FPS! I have been using windows 8.1 pro (64 bit) for a while now and since installing it everything seems to run quicker and smoother than it did before. especially boot up times.

In that chart the only one that leaves a big margin is Firestrike, and I am not even sure what those high numbers represent.

 

[jimmysmitty]

I don't think anything about it yet not comfy making judgments on pre-release claims.

Remember when we were told that Windows 8 was faster than Win 7 ?

N O T .....

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/windows-7-vs-windows-8-1-mini-performance-analysis/

After looking through those numbers I have a need to add them up and see which one has an overall smaller number (I may do a total and an average in excel). It seems when looking at that chart there are more games with lower numbers on the windows 8.1 side. But to be honest those numbers are so small it does not make a difference at all. The difference between them never reaches more that 2 FPS! I have been using windows 8.1 pro (64 bit) for a while now and since installing it everything seems to run quicker and smoother than it did before. especially boot up times.

In that chart the only one that leaves a big margin is Firestrike, and I am not even sure what those high numbers represent.

Gaming will rarely benefit from a new OS. A new API maybe, like DX12, but new OS is almost never.

And the difference between them is so marginal that thy could rerun the tests again and again and get different numbers. The 8.1 system could even jump ahead of the 7 one in those tests at times. It truly depends on a lot of factors. I would like them to also look at the frame latency as well but I bet that it will still be very similar.

 

[Madmaxneo]

Gaming will rarely benefit from a new OS. A new API maybe, like DX12, but new OS is almost never.

And the difference between them is so marginal that thy could rerun the tests again and again and get different numbers. The 8.1 system could even jump ahead of the 7 one in those tests at times. It truly depends on a lot of factors. I would like them to also look at the frame latency as well but I bet that it will still be very similar.

Agreed.
I am eagerly awaiting DX 12. If the rumors/specs turn out to be true and actually workable that may turn the tide in pricing for graphics cards and their production. The benefits of actually owning a single 6gb or greater card will dwindle to almost nothing if the stackable RAM function works as well as we hope it will.

 

[loki1944]

How important is gaming to you if you spend $500 on GPU and $500 on a monitor?

I guess i am the only one paying for rent out there.

Yeah, I hear ya it isn't easy in the least; I take on jobs that 99% of the population would never even consider in places where you will see very few Westerners so I can feed the gaming.

 

[loki1944]

How important is gaming to you if you spend $500 on GPU and $500 on a monitor?

I guess i am the only one paying for rent out there.

How important is gaming to you if you spend $500 on GPU and $500 on a monitor?

I guess i am the only one paying for rent out there.

How important is gaming to you if you spend $500 on GPU and $500 on a monitor?

I guess i am the only one paying for rent out there.

If you don't have $1000 of discretionary income each year, you need a better job. Better question would be, what adult doesn't have $1000 for a graphics card and a monitor?

If you put it that way it is a fair point.

no it is not and he is a very rude person.

not all people live in USA and have good salaries.

People in Romania Graduated from uni for example earn around 500 euro per month only. and is ALL spent on living and eating and clothes and rent , at the end of the month nothing remains.

in places like India or Ukraine or Africa or Asia is even lower.

and those work 10 times harder than any one in USA ... but live in a Poor country.

you are selfish and rude people. very rude !

Seriously. You call him rude and then basically call Americans lazy. Let me tell you something, laziness didn't build this country. When I work, I work 6-7 days a week 10-14 hours a day. Bullets, bombs, rain, mud or shine. My parents works 6 days a week 12 hours day and sometimes more, teaching and working the farm. What I've seen in my travels is the comparatively lower work efficiency in many countries, especially with their 2 hour lunch breaks. Also I'm pretty sure my great great grandparents coming in a covered wagon out west p0wned your concept of hard work.

If anything the prices of graphics cards are so high because it is profitable; because people make enough money to make it happen, even if one has to work extra or budget for it. For the US it is definitely working; with us having $431.67 million more in sales for Nvidia in Jan 2014 than Europe with the US only having about 42% of the population. http://csimarket.com/stocks/segments_geo.php?code=NVDA&hist=1

 

[TechyInAZ]

Gaming will rarely benefit from a new OS. A new API maybe, like DX12, but new OS is almost never.

And the difference between them is so marginal that thy could rerun the tests again and again and get different numbers. The 8.1 system could even jump ahead of the 7 one in those tests at times. It truly depends on a lot of factors. I would like them to also look at the frame latency as well but I bet that it will still be very similar.

Agreed.
I am eagerly awaiting DX 12. If the rumors/specs turn out to be true and actually workable that may turn the tide in pricing for graphics cards and their production. The benefits of actually owning a single 6gb or greater card will dwindle to almost nothing if the stackable RAM function works as well as we hope it will.

I hope DX12 really brings stackable RAM, now I can just add another GTX 750 TI to my system when need be.

 

[Madmaxneo]

Gaming will rarely benefit from a new OS. A new API maybe, like DX12, but new OS is almost never.

And the difference between them is so marginal that thy could rerun the tests again and again and get different numbers. The 8.1 system could even jump ahead of the 7 one in those tests at times. It truly depends on a lot of factors. I would like them to also look at the frame latency as well but I bet that it will still be very similar.

Agreed.
I am eagerly awaiting DX 12. If the rumors/specs turn out to be true and actually workable that may turn the tide in pricing for graphics cards and their production. The benefits of actually owning a single 6gb or greater card will dwindle to almost nothing if the stackable RAM function works as well as we hope it will.

I hope DX12 really brings stackable RAM, now I can just add another GTX 750 TI to my system when need be.

I don't thing the 750Ti is SLI compatible. I have one and I don't think it has the connector.

@ loki1944 That statement you made is extremely rude and not thought out. Most of the people in the US do not have good salaries and struggle on a day to day basis. Most jobs here people are underpaid when compared to the cost of living. The homeless population here is ridiculous and growing. The minimum wage is not even enough for a single person to live on their own. And we do work extremely hard for the little bit of money we get paid.
Your an example of a person who has no real understanding of what goes on in this country and base all your facts on either what one of those news agencies report or you go by word of mouth. I met a young woman in Breast, France years ago (I was in the military) and we had a long conversation of what she thought about America, Americans, and what goes on in this country. She was intelligent enough to realize the crap she had seen on CNN and the other news agencies. Part of what she had thought of was America was a very dangerous place with crime everywhere, the other part had to do with politics and wages. I helped her to understand a little more despite a very drunk and disgruntled shipmate who acted arrogant towards her.... She was cute and we got along quite good.

 

[loki1944]

Gaming will rarely benefit from a new OS. A new API maybe, like DX12, but new OS is almost never.

And the difference between them is so marginal that thy could rerun the tests again and again and get different numbers. The 8.1 system could even jump ahead of the 7 one in those tests at times. It truly depends on a lot of factors. I would like them to also look at the frame latency as well but I bet that it will still be very similar.

Agreed.
I am eagerly awaiting DX 12. If the rumors/specs turn out to be true and actually workable that may turn the tide in pricing for graphics cards and their production. The benefits of actually owning a single 6gb or greater card will dwindle to almost nothing if the stackable RAM function works as well as we hope it will.

I hope DX12 really brings stackable RAM, now I can just add another GTX 750 TI to my system when need be.

I don't thing the 750Ti is SLI compatible. I have one and I don't think it has the connector.

@ loki1944 That statement you made is extremely rude and not thought out. Most of the people in the US do not have good salaries and struggle on a day to day basis. Most jobs here people are underpaid when compared to the cost of living. The homeless population here is ridiculous and growing. The minimum wage is not even enough for a single person to live on their own. And we do work extremely hard for the little bit of money we get paid.
Your an example of a person who has no real understanding of what goes on in this country and base all your facts on either what one of those news agencies report or you go by word of mouth. I met a young woman in Breast, France years ago (I was in the military) and we had a long conversation of what she thought about America, Americans, and what goes on in this country. She was intelligent enough to realize the crap she had seen on CNN and the other news agencies. Part of what she had thought of was America was a very dangerous place with crime everywhere, the other part had to do with politics and wages. I helped her to understand a little more despite a very drunk and disgruntled shipmate who acted arrogant towards her.... She was cute and we got along quite good.

If you don't have a job in the US and you're not disabled in some fashion, then that's on you. It's the land of opportunity, but you have to work for it. My comment was thought out and in response to the statement that Americans are 1/10th as hard of workers, which definitely IS rude. Also this isn't my first rodeo, I lived in France for 8 years, I trained in Germany a few times, I brought Bibles from Hong Kong to mainland China, I did a tour in Kuwait in 2001, then Iraq from 2006-2007, then Afghanistan from 2010-2011. I've worked in Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Djibouti, Democratic Republic of Congo, Senegal, Cameroon, Benin, and Togo; almost 3 years BOG in Africa. Also vacations to England and Quebec. Compared to the rest of the world the US has awesome salaries, take a trip to Kisangani, DRC if you want to see some $10 a month salaries. Same deal for homeless, you think the states is bad, then you should circulate a bit more and you'll see how bad it is. Last week I just saw a beggar pushing her mentally sick children (restrained by metal chains) through the streets, homeless on every corner, huddles of children whacking on your window for a few francs, people with missing limbs hopping down streets. And it's sure as heck wasn't America. Also the only graphics card I saw was a single Nvidia 5200 AGP, so pretty sure they aren't the target for the GPU market. Every single person I know in the US has a job, when I was a commander every single one of my soldiers had a job. Our nation is extremely well off, thanks to the hard work not only of the current generation, but previous generations. If our means result in higher prices for GPUs, well that's just business.

 

[Madmaxneo]

If you don't have a job in the US and you're not disabled in some fashion, then that's on you. It's the land of opportunity, but you have to work for it. My comment was thought out and in response to statement that Americans are 1/10th as hard of workers, which definitely IS rude. Also this isn't my first rodeo, I lived in France for 8 years, I trained in Germany a few times, I brought Bibles from Hong Kong to mainland China, I did a tour in Kuwait in 2001, then Iraq from 2006-2007, then Afghanistan from 2010-2011. I've worked in Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Djibouti, Democratic Republic of Congo, Senegal, Cameroon, Benin, and Togo; almost 3 years BOG in Africa. Also vacations to England and Quebec. Compared to the rest of the world the US has awesome salaries, take a trip to Kisangani, DRC if you want to see some $10 a month salaries. Same deal for homeless, you think the states is bad, then you should circulate a bit more and you'll see how bad it is. Last week I just saw a beggar pushing her mentally sick children (restrained by metal chains) through the streets, homeless on every corner, huddles of children whacking on your window for a few francs, people with missing limbs hopping down streets. And it's sure as heck wasn't America. Also the only graphics card I saw was a single Nvidia 5200 AGP, so pretty sure they aren't the target for the GPU market. Every single person I know in the US has a job, when I was a commander every single one of my soldiers had a job. Our nation is extremely well off, thanks to the hard work not only of the current generation, but previous generations. If our means result in higher prices for GPUs, well that's just business.

I think your comments are still off. I know how bad it is in some other countries but I can also tell you that the US is not the only country that can help. Our economy is still horrible and many people are still not sure if it is going to get any better. I happen to fall into one of those that don't have a job and am technically not disabled. I am working hard in getting a job but there just aren't any available. The jobs I have had are through temp agencies with companies that only hire seasonally. In the last job I worked at I was in the last set of layoffs for the temp workers. It doesn't matter if I am military or not and most of the time companies will not hire ex military in the area I am in. I'm not sure why though. My job in the navy was part of the problem because none of the skills transfer over. That is except maybe for the generic skills that are accredited to most military. I have my hurdles and it isn't easy by far. Yes I agree some of it is my fault as I am not that arrogant to not see that. But it honestly should not be that hard to get a decent job if the wages are so great in this country. I'm not homeless yet but if things keep going the way they are I will be. I've been working with state and veteran agencies and am still not able to find a job. I used to be in great shape but not so much anymore since I spend hours upon hours on my PC looking for jobs (as everything is online now with resumes), back in the late 80's it was so much easier to get a job because it was all based on walk ins and face to face conversations. I moved out to this area two years ago to help take care of my mother after my father passed away. I don't know the area and don't know anyone who can get me a job of any kind. FYI my age has a lot to do with companies not wanting to hire me. I used to work in the industrial area (hard work I actually like) but I am getting older (almost 50 now) and I am not used to working in that environment.
Don't get me wrong. I know how bad it is in other countries as having been in similar situations as you (I don't discuss them or use them to manipulate a conversation). But the situation in this country is worse than you think. For one $10 a month is a joke in this country, your better off not getting anything here. $10 a month will not get you anything, well maybe a few cases of ramen noodles if that. It all about perspective. I wonder how the cost of living would compare? I think $10 a month in some of those other countries would be equivalent to about 20 to 30 times that in this country, and I make less than that in unemployment insurance right now.

I used to think like you but I have been humbled and now have a very different and not so judgmental attitude.....

 

[loki1944]

If you don't have a job in the US and you're not disabled in some fashion, then that's on you. It's the land of opportunity, but you have to work for it. My comment was thought out and in response to statement that Americans are 1/10th as hard of workers, which definitely IS rude. Also this isn't my first rodeo, I lived in France for 8 years, I trained in Germany a few times, I brought Bibles from Hong Kong to mainland China, I did a tour in Kuwait in 2001, then Iraq from 2006-2007, then Afghanistan from 2010-2011. I've worked in Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Djibouti, Democratic Republic of Congo, Senegal, Cameroon, Benin, and Togo; almost 3 years BOG in Africa. Also vacations to England and Quebec. Compared to the rest of the world the US has awesome salaries, take a trip to Kisangani, DRC if you want to see some $10 a month salaries. Same deal for homeless, you think the states is bad, then you should circulate a bit more and you'll see how bad it is. Last week I just saw a beggar pushing her mentally sick children (restrained by metal chains) through the streets, homeless on every corner, huddles of children whacking on your window for a few francs, people with missing limbs hopping down streets. And it's sure as heck wasn't America. Also the only graphics card I saw was a single Nvidia 5200 AGP, so pretty sure they aren't the target for the GPU market. Every single person I know in the US has a job, when I was a commander every single one of my soldiers had a job. Our nation is extremely well off, thanks to the hard work not only of the current generation, but previous generations. If our means result in higher prices for GPUs, well that's just business.

I think your comments are still off. I know how bad it is in some other countries but I can also tell you that the US is not the only country that can help. Our economy is still horrible and many people are still not sure if it is going to get any better. I happen to fall into one of those that don't have a job and am technically not disabled. I am working hard in getting a job but there just aren't any available. The jobs I have had are through temp agencies with companies that only hire seasonally. In the last job I worked at I was in the last set of layoffs for the temp workers. It doesn't matter if I am military or not and most of the time companies will not hire ex military in the area I am in. I'm not sure why though. My job in the navy was part of the problem because none of the skills transfer over. That is except maybe for the generic skills that are accredited to most military. I have my hurdles and it isn't easy by far. Yes I agree some of it is my fault as I am not that arrogant to not see that. But it honestly should not be that hard to get a decent job if the wages are so great in this country. I'm not homeless yet but if things keep going the way they are I will be. I've been working with state and veteran agencies and am still not able to find a job. I used to be in great shape but not so much anymore since I spend hours upon hours on my PC looking for jobs (as everything is online now with resumes), back in the late 80's it was so much easier to get a job because it was all based on walk ins and face to face conversations. I moved out to this area two years ago to help take care of my mother after my father passed away. I don't know the area and don't know anyone who can get me a job of any kind. FYI my age has a lot to do with companies not wanting to hire me. I used to work in the industrial area (hard work I actually like) but I am getting older (almost 50 now) and I am not used to working in that environment.
Don't get me wrong. I know how bad it is in other countries as having been in similar situations as you (I don't discuss them or use them to manipulate a conversation). But the situation in this country is worse than you think. For one $10 a month is a joke in this country, your better off not getting anything here. $10 a month will not get you anything, well maybe a few cases of ramen noodles if that. It all about perspective. I wonder how the cost of living would compare? I think $10 a month in some of those other countries would be equivalent to about 20 to 30 times that in this country, and I make less than that in unemployment insurance right now.

I used to think like you but I have been humbled and now have a very different and not so judgmental attitude.....

I use these countries because I have been there and lived there, I can most certainly use my many experiences in support of my arguments. I've got buddies I've worked Africa with that are 65-71 years old (I'm 34), sure it might not be your dream job, but there are plenty of jobs to be had. Obviously sometimes you have to move to get them. Sounds to me like you're in a weird place if you aren't getting hired and you're a veteran. I'm assuming you already looked at this: http://www.blogs.va.gov/VAntage/10148/im-a-vet-im-unemployed-now-what/. Also a lot of jobs ain't gonna be in the papers, companies like KBR or Dyncorp don't do that, but they have the military contract jobs. There are tons of jobs, they just ain't all pretty or necessarily safe. As to the $10 a month thing, let me put it this way, people don't even buy preventative meds/innoculations over here because they are so poor. People starve to death. Banditry is rampant. That sort of thing. If I were you I would look at going somewhere else if you somehow found yourself in a area that is hostile towards veterans, that's pretty 8up. Or like I said, contracting. I really wasn't joking when I was talking about my Soldiers; when I left the Regular Army in 2008, I went to the Guard, all my men had jobs from grain elevators to Walmart to construction, but they all had jobs and plenty of money to get along. Another area you might look into is USCIS and Homeland Security. Sorry it sucks for you and that your mom is sick and your dad passed away.

 

[Madmaxneo]

I use these countries because I have been there and lived there, I can most certainly use my many experiences in support of my arguments. I've got buddies I've worked Africa with that are 65-71 years old (I'm 34), sure it might not be your dream job, but there are plenty of jobs to be had. Obviously sometimes you have to move to get them. Sounds to me like you're in a weird place if you aren't getting hired and you're a veteran. I'm assuming you already looked at this: http://www.blogs.va.gov/VAntage/10148/im-a-vet-im-unemployed-now-what/. Also a lot of jobs ain't gonna be in the papers, companies like KBR or Dyncorp don't do that, but they have the military contract jobs. There are tons of jobs, they just ain't all pretty or necessarily safe. As to the $10 a month thing, let me put it this way, people don't even buy preventative meds/innoculations over here because they are so poor. People starve to death. Banditry is rampant. That sort of thing. If I were you I would look at going somewhere else if you somehow found yourself in a area that is hostile towards veterans, that's pretty 8up. Or like I said, contracting. I really wasn't joking when I was talking about my Soldiers; when I left the Regular Army in 2008, I went to the Guard, all my men had jobs from grain elevators to Walmart to construction, but they all had jobs and plenty of money to get along. Another area you might look into is USCIS and Homeland Security. Sorry it sucks for you and that your mom is sick and your dad passed away.

They're not hostile, it's more like it makes no difference if your a veteran or not. There are quite a few veterans in the area that I know are having trouble getting a job, and then a decent job. Right now I am stuck here because as I said I am helping to take care of my mom (she can't drive and doesn't get around much). But it goes beyond that for me, let's just say that I am not perfect and I screwed up enough that results in me being unable to get any kind of government jobs.

I think we have detracted from the thread enough for now......and on that note..

I really like the GTX 980Ti and one of the fields I am trying to get into is 3d graphics design (rendering is not bad but slow for the higher resolutions models on my current 750Ti). I was trying to save up for the card so I could possibly pursue that avenue but it is so expensive. Now the new R9 390 card comes out and is way cheaper. The thing I am on the shelf about is I have seen two different reviews and testing results for the new R9 cards. One puts them on par with the GTX 980 Ti (at half the price) and the other puts them just under the 970 at a slightly higher cost.... The reason I like them so much is because of the 8gb of GDDR5 ram on them, which would be a tremendous boost in performance for rendering.

 

[loki1944]

I use these countries because I have been there and lived there, I can most certainly use my many experiences in support of my arguments. I've got buddies I've worked Africa with that are 65-71 years old (I'm 34), sure it might not be your dream job, but there are plenty of jobs to be had. Obviously sometimes you have to move to get them. Sounds to me like you're in a weird place if you aren't getting hired and you're a veteran. I'm assuming you already looked at this: http://www.blogs.va.gov/VAntage/10148/im-a-vet-im-unemployed-now-what/. Also a lot of jobs ain't gonna be in the papers, companies like KBR or Dyncorp don't do that, but they have the military contract jobs. There are tons of jobs, they just ain't all pretty or necessarily safe. As to the $10 a month thing, let me put it this way, people don't even buy preventative meds/innoculations over here because they are so poor. People starve to death. Banditry is rampant. That sort of thing. If I were you I would look at going somewhere else if you somehow found yourself in a area that is hostile towards veterans, that's pretty 8up. Or like I said, contracting. I really wasn't joking when I was talking about my Soldiers; when I left the Regular Army in 2008, I went to the Guard, all my men had jobs from grain elevators to Walmart to construction, but they all had jobs and plenty of money to get along. Another area you might look into is USCIS and Homeland Security. Sorry it sucks for you and that your mom is sick and your dad passed away.

They're not hostile, it's more like it makes no difference if your a veteran or not. There are quite a few veterans in the area that I know are having trouble getting a job, and then a decent job. Right now I am stuck here because as I said I am helping to take care of my mom (she can't drive and doesn't get around much). But it goes beyond that for me, let's just say that I am not perfect and I screwed up enough that results in me being unable to get any kind of government jobs.

I think we have detracted from the thread enough for now......and on that note..

I really like the GTX 980Ti and one of the fields I am trying to get into is 3d graphics design (rendering is not bad but slow for the higher resolutions models on my current 750Ti). I was trying to save up for the card so I could possibly pursue that avenue but it is so expensive. Now the new R9 390 card comes out and is way cheaper. The thing I am on the shelf about is I have seen two different reviews and testing results for the new R9 cards. One puts them on par with the GTX 980 Ti (at half the price) and the other puts them just under the 970 at a slightly higher cost.... The reason I like them so much is because of the 8gb of GDDR5 ram on them, which would be a tremendous boost in performance for rendering.

They are basically overclocked 290Xs with more VRAM than most 290Xs.

"The 8GB of VRAM on this video card won't show its true potential and benefits until you install two of these video cards in a CrossFire configuration and run games at 4K. That is what it will take to experience the benefits of having 8GB of VRAM on this video card versus 4GB on the 290X. It will take multiple cards, running at 4K with high in-game settings to show us how smooth performance can be when we aren't bottlenecked by memory." -source: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/06/18/msi_r9_390x_gaming_8g_video_card_review/11#.VYc-PvlVhBc.

Not sure on the rendering part though, but in the hardcop review they said that if you o/c a 290X to the same speed as a 390X performance is the same. You might want to see what the Fury and Fury X do; might give you some better options. I really wish toms had stuff like rendering for GPUs in their benchmarks. I've thought about getting into 3D modelling, but time is a cruel mistress; would be nice to know though. From the benchmarks I've seen it seems like it puts the 390X roughly on par with a 980/780Ti depending on the game and resolution; usually the 980 wins. You may find this thread of interest: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2687108/cad-computer-build.html.

 

[Madmaxneo]

They are basically overclocked 290Xs with more VRAM than most 290Xs.

"The 8GB of VRAM on this video card won't show its true potential and benefits until you install two of these video cards in a CrossFire configuration and run games at 4K. That is what it will take to experience the benefits of having 8GB of VRAM on this video card versus 4GB on the 290X. It will take multiple cards, running at 4K with high in-game settings to show us how smooth performance can be when we aren't bottlenecked by memory." -source: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/06/18/msi_r9_390x_gaming_8g_video_card_review/11#.VYc-PvlVhBc.

Not sure on the rendering part though, but in the hardcop review they said that if you o/c a 290X to the same speed as a 390X performance is the same. You might want to see what the Fury and Fury X do; might give you some better options. I really wish toms had stuff like rendering for GPUs in their benchmarks. I've thought about getting into 3D modelling, but time is a cruel mistress; would be nice to know though. From the benchmarks I've seen it seems like it puts the 390X roughly on par with a 980/780Ti depending on the game and resolution; usually the 980 wins. You may find this thread of interest: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2687108/cad-computer-build.html.

The RAM, both system and graphics, have an impact on the performance of graphics programs. Much less system RAM than graphics RAM these days but I have seen a lot of people recommend no less that 16gb of system RAM for rendering with 32gb being the max you might need. The 980Ti has 6gb of RAM and in the Tom's Hardware reviews more than blows away the 390x. In fact on those same charts the 970 outperforms the 390x in some tests but not by much. Your right it would be nice to have rendering benchmarks also listed but that would add a whole new set of specs with more time and money, and the people interested in the rendering benchmarks are very few compared to the rest. I can't get anything right now but I hope that when I can the choices are not so convoluted.

If I had the money right now I would get the 980Ti,,,

 

[loki1944]

Here's AutoCAD for the 390X performance:http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-radeon-r9-390x-r9-380-r7-370,review-33233-7.html

 

[Madmaxneo]

And the 980 Ti comes out on top yet again..... Is it ever possible to get a great deal once in a while?....lol.

 

[loki1944]

And the 980 Ti comes out on top yet again..... Is it ever possible to get a great deal once in a while?....lol.

Maybe if Fury X drives prices down?

 

[Madmaxneo]

Maybe if Fury X drives prices down?

That would simply be awesome. What are the stats and price of the Fury X?

 

[loki1944]

Maybe if Fury X drives prices down?

That would simply be awesome. What are the stats and price of the Fury X?

$650 for the Fury X and $550 for the Fury; unsure on the Fury X2 dual gpu.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-releases-radeon-r9-fury-x-details-exclusive-photos.html

http://videocardz.com/56579/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-official-specifications

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/208461-amd-releases-specs-pricing-on-radeon-fury-showcases-project-quantum-platform

Only 4GB VRAM, but it's HBM.