Nvidia GeForce RTX 2070 Founders Edition Review: Replacing GeForce GTX 1080

[bit_user]

But my bigger point was about the disabled cores on the 70 80 and 80ti in preparation to sting people next year with the unlocked ones.

How do you know it's not simply due to yield? 12 nm is a pretty new process node and these are pretty big chips. Maybe it wasn't practical to launch with more cores enabled?

 

[bit_user]

AMD is the platform of devs. These games are made on consoles and ported to PC. It was AMD plan since the get go.

I actually had a chance to ask some AMD employees about this, recently. They said the ported code usually bares little resemblance to the original (whether originally developed on the console or PC) and that most ports are outsourced to firms that just do game ports. I'm sure it sometimes happens, but it's seems mostly just wishful thinking.

I think the bigger win from being in the consoles is all the input and feedback AMD gets from developers at Microsoft and Sony.

 

[bit_user]

That's the most disappointing x70 series card in almost 10 years now. In the last few generations, a new x70 was always faster than previous gen x80Ti and priced at $400-$500. This is merely faster than a 1080 and the price is what we would normally expect from a xx80 card, just named "7"instead of "8" to hide the fact that there are merely 10% performance gains over the last generation. This card is in the same price tier as the most expensive Pascal at launch and offers minuscule gains over it 2.5 years later.

So the reality is that naming tricks aside, taking actual pricing into account, this card is really a 2080 that performs like a 1080,

I have a slightly different take on it. It's using a TU106, so it should really be compared against the GTX 1060. That would provide a proper performance increase, except they can't do it because of the price disparity.

Imagine the 2080 is really somewhere in between where the 2070 and 2080 were planned to be. And this was planned to be the 2060. But then they got burned by chips' sizes and the poor yields, resulting in higher than intended pricing. This caused them to switch around the lineup, and might've even accounted for some of the launch delays.

 

[bit_user]

you might as well get 2 or 3 RTX 2080 Ti's in SLI

The 2080 Ti can menage a trois?

 

[cewhidx]

This has rather ominous implications for the 2060. If they price it anywhere near in line with the 1060 that leaves a $200+ hole in their product stack. And it would have to be in the neighborhood of $350 to close the gap, which would be ludicrous and just push the hole further down the line. $250 msrp 2050 ti? I don't think so. But I can't see them conceding an entire price point, or rather, an entire price range. All I can think is that they're cashing in as long as they can. Once they're finally forced to release the 1060 they'll do so and also drop prices across the board, or maybe release an RTX Titan.

What I think will end up happening is that the RTX 2070 ti will come out replacing the RTX 2070 in that price point, pushing the 2070 down a couple hundred bucks...well maybe not that much, but a bit anyway.

 

[AgentLozen]

What I think will end up happening is that the RTX 2070 ti will come out replacing the RTX 2070 in that price point, pushing the 2070 down a couple hundred bucks...well maybe not that much, but a bit anyway.

Nvidia has hit all of the meaningful performance points with the 2080Ti, 2080, and 2070. I can't see a good place for a 2070Ti.

I think your idea has merit though and I wonder if other video cards in their lineup will use a Ti version to help fill holes in their price points. The 2070 replaces the 1080, but the 2060 doesn't have to replace the 1070. There could be a 2060Ti for that, then the normal 2060 could fit in at a reasonable price point of $250 or so.

 

[logainofhades]

The 1070ti wasn't really necessary either, but we got it. Nvidia loves to flood their lineup with unnecessary refreshes, and hobbled together cards. Look at the 1060 series, as a prime example.

 

[mlee 2500]

I've always been very happy with my NVIDIA GPU products (I usually go with the EVGA variety), and I'm fortunate enough that I can throw some stupid amounts of money at my PC, but even I think they've over-reached a bit on pricing with the RTX series.

I don't know what NVIDIA's RTX sales numbers are, but when $400 doesn't even put you in the middle of their product line-up, and essentially relegates cash strapped kids into "entry level" products, then they're leaving a HUGE door open for AMD Radeon (and possibly even Intel).

NVIDIA would do well to take a lesson from that particular demographics willingness to embrace Ryzen over Intel CPU's.

 

[bit_user]

Nvidia loves to flood their lineup with unnecessary refreshes, and hobbled together cards.

They also seem to love oddball memory sizes. Various Pascal GPUs came with 3, 5, and 11 GB, not to mention the more normal quantities.

Heh, if they offered 7 GB, the'd have all the primes covered up to & including 11.

 

[logainofhades]

Don't give them any more ideas.

 

[average joe]

gigabyte has a 1070ti windforce 3x for $370 right now on new egg. last month they had the gigabyte 1070ti windforce 2x for $360. it never last more that 3 days at that price though. they claim brand new cards and they have the full warranty but it look like the package had been opened. runs fine. fans work. warranty is good.

 

[average joe]

vega 64 is terrible. I really wanted to buy one and use freesync but 220 more watts of power for slower performance on a card that always way over MSRP if ever in stock. they need to do a vega+ card on 12NM like they did with ryzen. vega 56 is a way better card they to get vega 56 down to 300 bucks and they would grab tons of marketshare

 

[average joe]

i paid $329 for a 970 4 or 5 years ago and $359 for a 1070TI last month you just have to be patient and check prices all the time because flash sales where they slash the price for 6 hours are where they bargains are.

 

[bit_user]

i paid $329 for a 970 4 or 5 years ago and $359 for a 1070TI last month you just have to be patient and check prices all the time because flash sales where they slash the price for 6 hours are where they bargains are.

The 970 only launched about 4.2 years ago.

I got a 980 Ti for only about $450. In that case, I waited until the 1080 launched and the 1070 was either announced or had launched (I forget which). If you really waited, you could even snag one for like $400. To bad 1080 Ti prices didn't reach the same levels, but that's probably one reason the RTX series launched at such a high price point.