Sakkura :
Are you serious? I just proved to you that the Q3 2014 financial information from AMD is NOT available yet! With a link from AMD themselves stating that it will be released on October 16th.
1. I was not referring to 3rd quarter.....AMD didn't burst on the scene this quarter ....
Click on 1 year, 6M to get relevant data
I also posted the one and 3 year returns (down 38% over 3 years)
2. The 1 year and 6 months clearly indicate a content that exceeds 1 quarter ?
3. And they weren't links to quarterly reports, they were links to stock market prices. If you are going to criticize a post, criticize what was actually written, not what you need to plug in in order to invalidate something that was never written. The links were to historical record of stock market prices. That is a very much different thing than quarterly results, though one has an impact on the other .... To get a view of stock market prices, we don't have to wait for October 16th ...we can look at the graphs and see what the stock market prices were on any given day .... over even over the course of a day.
The stock price is determined by investor's faith in any given company. Based upon a companies performance, investors will choose to buy and sell and when they are scared, stock price drops.....They get scared when they see sales reports, breaking news and other things that reflect on a company's viability. Now that we have established the difference between stock prices and quarterly results, let's look at what has happened since my October 3rd post.
October 3rd, 10:14 am = $3.455
October 9th, 01:14 pm = $2.960
End of July = $4.66
End of July = $4.28
That's a
14+% drop in value over 6 days, down 36+% since the end of July, 32 % since the end of August.
This is exactly what I was afraid of. nVidia has never released a x70 card at this price point. With AMD reeling from lackluster sales of the R9 series, it would seem that nVidia, sitting in a rather secure financial position at this time, may be employing predatory pricing in order to handcuff AMD's ability to compete down the line. And while we are all smiling now at the price of these cards and the effect it has had on the pricing structure in both lineups, I am concerned about the long term implications.
Sakkura :
JackNaylorPE :
Is it really any value to posting statements that can be so easily verified as incorrect ? Did you even read the statement at the top of the Steam hardware survey home page ?
Your sources clearly back up my point: It is not a representative survey. The survey only runs when you run Steam, and people can opt out. Both those things clearly prevent it from being representative.
Well what happened to the first argument that it wasn't valid cause it was automatic, done without user acknowledgement and that the "machine" was misreporting the cards .....now with that debunked, you are trying to make the same argument with reversed reasoning ?
That reasoning is still flawed .... One can opt out of any poll, that doesn't change results... I get called for a political poll, can I opt out ? Yet these polls are extraordinarily accurate ....(google poll accuracy .... you will find 5% is extremely unusual, 1-2% typical) what reasoning do you have for the apparent contention that AMD users are more likely to opt out the nvidia users ?
What reasoning do you have that Steam users are any more or less likely to use one brand or the other. When professional pollsters make calls , let's say for how District 31 will vote on an issue ...they robo call phone numbers in a district ending in randomly generated digits....they only reach 2% of residents yet these polls are again extraordinarily accurate.
Again with double emphasis
The frequency and regularity of the survey also provides what is perhaps the most detailed picture of gaming system configuration over time that has ever been compiled.
"Most detailed picture of gaming system configuration over time that has ever been compiled" is a pretty strong statement by the author.
Now granted that Steam survey only hits gamers but we are talking about gaming cards aren't we. My Aunt Tillie and Grandma are using integrated graphics,....but again, if there is any bias by concentrating on gamers, it works in reverse.... AMD's highest penetration is in the gaming markets and mining markets, the latter of which has collapsed.
Again:
If anything, your analogy applies in reverse .... the gaming orientation favors AMD greatly not the other way around. Who isn't in the gaming arena:
Bitminers..... AMD favored
Photograhers ... nvidia favored
CAD .... nvidia favored
Architectural Rendering .... nvidia favored
Videographers ..... nvidia favored
Just exactly what class of users are you talking about that are not represented in these groups ?