Oculus Remains Silent After Community, Dev Backlash Over Luckey Funding Anti-Hillary Memes

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I google nimblerichman reddit posts and all I could find was anti-Hillary posts and posts saying he supports Trump. I didn't find anything racist or bigoted in the actual posts. Am i missing something here? Anyone have links to actual racist posts?
 

brdsnow007

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Dumbasses don't understand steam vr already supports the touch if you make a game for the vive it will work on oculus touch!
 

The problem I see is what happens if everyone did that? What happens if everyone boycotts whatever they don't agree with? Society falls apart because nobody can interact with each other anymore, because nobody exactly agrees on everything.

In engineering, you have stable and unstable systems. There is a specific point at which a system turns from being stable to unstable, corresponding to when an infinite series switches from convergent to divergent. I see this as a similar system. If your threshold for boycotting social interactions is "I disagree with them" then the system will go divergent and all of society blows up. There has to be a higher threshold. Exactly how high I don't know, but "disagreeing" is not high enough.

As tempting as it is to want to not tolerate intolerance, that in itself is intolerance and strips you of the moral high ground. Once you take that step, everyone is intolerant, they just disagree on what not to tolerate. The only system that maintains the moral high ground is to tolerate intolerance, and hope that the youth of the world are smart enough to see that you are making a different, better, moral choice than those who are intolerant, and they will thus follow in your footsteps.

To be clear, the developers that have denounced Oculus thus far, have been clear to point out the racist memes that this organization promotes, not the fact that Luckey supports Trump.
Did Oculus fund this organization? No? Then they should be denouncing Luckey, not Oculus. He may be the founder and still works there, but he's no longer the owner. Facebook owns it, and the company has about 100 other employees. Do they deserve to be maligned and their livelihoods jeopardized simply because they happen to work at the same company he does?

Basically what going on is extending the target of your criticism by one degree of separation. If you apply that same principle to other things, you get the following wonderful consequences:

- You can be boycotted from working somewhere because of something your parent or child did.
- You can be boycotted because of something the company you work for did.
- You can be boycotted because of something done by someone you used to hang out with.

Is that really the kind of world you want to live in?
 

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Politics have ruined our quality of life. Having to fear the reaper for having your own opinions is fascist. I hope the lefties will stop their SJW tactics before it's too late.
 

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People are so weird...it's like you're not entitled to have an opinion? Or you're only allowed to have one that matches theirs?

I don't like either candidate but that doesn't keep me from buying stuff from companies. I prefer keeping my tech stuff separate from political crap...which is why I don't read Techcrunch any more because they kept sticking political crap into my tech news feeds :p
 
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I can't find them either and I spent several hours last night browsing the various internet backwaters where you would expect such things to be out in force. :spamafote:

Seems to me both candidates are pretty much equally meme worthy. On a personal level I'm very much in favor of freedom. Both freedom of speech and the freedom to avoid and boycott are longstanding parts of American politics. The problem is that partisanship today has become so virile that it has almost become a caricature so we get choices like this where we all lose no matter who wins.
 

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Trump is not a racist, Hes a narcissist. There is a difference. That said. I fully support Luckeys choice to support who and whatever he feels. I bet a sizeable portion of the people here screaming about Luckeys choice to support "racism" . Probably own an Iphone made by slave wage asians in a foxconn facility somewhere. Or passively support any number of other inhumane activities perpetrated against their fellow man around this globe. Alot of double standards these days. People who claim to want freedom and tolerance, But out of their mouths come all manner of venomous rebuke.
 




Trump insult redacted, but there is no actual evidence that he is a racist (as in he personally did racist things).

1) NYT and other magazines had "opinion articles" claim Trump is racist. The NYT itself made no such claim backed by evidence. You do know the difference between a newspaper endorsed stance and an opinion article right?

2) I went most all of your links and that reddit article. Virtually everything is speculative hearsay, extremely broad application of the word racist (simple stereotyping for example), or based on what his businesses did. There is no evidence he personally did racist things.

For example, in the claim that his casinos segregated black workers from a racist mafia member, there was no evidence Trump himself did that. I googled the situation and it seems the casino management did that without Trump actually getting involved. Trump does have a problem with generalization and stereotyping people, but that is ignorance, not racism. For example, when Trump said illegal Mexican immigrants were criminals and rapists (he was referring to illegals if you actually read the transcript of that speech, and not all Mexican immigrants), that was a stupid generalization. It is no different than Hillary calling certain African Americans "super predators" - not racism, just ignorance.

For Trump's "stop and frisk" comment - that is not racism, considering both Democrats and Republicans have supported such policies. Martin O'Malley, the former Democrat mayor of Baltimore and one of the Democrat's presidential candidates, also advocated stop and frisk policies. When he was mayor, he instituted harsh police crackdowns on the black population of Baltimore based on profiling (I live in MD). Nobody has accused him of being racist.



Article about Martin O'Malley's racial profiling and stop and risk policies. He was the Democrat mayor of Baltimore.

"a grand jury concluded that too many arrests were being made in black neighborhoods without merit...David Rocah, a staff attorney with the ACLU of Maryland, said the O’Malley administration left a legacy of “hyperaggressive and militarized policing” that, in his view, contributed to the outrage behind the riots."

"O’Malley advocated “stop and frisk” practices, cracked down on lower-level crimes such as public drunkenness and disorderly conduct, and brought in two police commanders from New York steeped in such policing."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/baltimore-unrest-raises-questions-omalleys-record-mayor/
 
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I haven't seen the memes, I really don't care. If there's "backlash" against Luckey about it, that is sad but who cares. The MSM, regardless of network, that keep up the charade that is the illusory left-right divide, with the administration, have been ceaselessly promoting one candidate, while demonizing the other, every chance they get, regardless what the truth is re the one being promoted. So much for impartiality. Who cares what memes Lucky made. If a bunch of thin-skinned, crybaby devs and others felt it necessary to make a stink over it because they believe their choice of candidate can do no wrong, regardless of the glaring facts that prove otherwise, it only shows the humorless zealots they truly are.

These are the kind of people who'd rather be caught dead than dare go beyond the pale of what the PC cult considers acceptable. Who'd rather be caught dead than daring to break any taboo and consider evidence given by, say, wikileaks or any controversial source or site, and viciously lash out at any who'd try to enlighten them on just about any issue. Literally incapable of thinking critically or freely, be it because it was never taught them, or because they can't bare the thought of being ostracized for having a mind of their own. Fwiw, Luckey or Occulus have nothing to fear, nor should they.
 

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I think it's both unfortunate and silly these companies feel this way, and I certainly don't have a positive view of them for doing this. While I may not necessarily agree with the guy's political views, or his method for getting his message out there, I don't think people should jump on him for what he does during his personal time. This is especially true if he tries to keep it private. Both sides have the right to their decision in this situation, but my personal feelings point me towards siding with Luckey, political opinions aside. People should think both logically and politically neutrally in business, in my opinion that's practicing good ethics. The opposite is betraying customers and partners for thinking and saying the wrong things, something thats unethical and labels you as untrustworthy.

What's really amusing to me though is that people would decide to take business away from Oculus because of this, rather than because of their exclusivity nonsense and because Vive is objectively better at this moment in time.
 

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Just more liberal extortion. They believe in free speech as long as it is what they want to hear. If not they will do anything to keep you quiet even violence.
 


It's all for popularity, believe me. All these game companies no one has ever heard of are now suddenly heard of, so they're just doing this to gain popularity. Of course they would never part ways from Oculus. Business is solely about money and they listen to their financial advisers, who probably said "make this public on Facebook to gain popularity!" or something along those lines.
 

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My liberal college attempted to teach me if you don't like it boycott it. I was fortunate enough to not belief everything I'm told unlike the masses who now boycott everything, instead of using logical argument in my decision making.
 

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"litany of facts, citations, articles, and accounts proving..."
Post some. Let's not just suggest that it does. Let's see it.
 
This post is in response to a post that was deleted for personal attacks against two persons, in violation of forum rules. The post cannot be quoted.

The problem is that you and others use words like "dangerous" to describe presidents when in fact they are only a very small part of the government and we have a checks and balance system in place. In addition, this is just a simple case of nobody keeping an open mindredacted. But anyway that's not what this thread is about. It's about two companies that have a fake kitten fight to draw attention to themselves. And it's working seeing how well this thread is exploding.
 

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The left has been using "racist" and all of the other "ist" labels as hollow insults for so long now that they have just lost all meaning and weight. No one cares about being called racist anymore because all it really means in reality is that you offended some feeble spined , soft skinned whiney lib/prog leftist somewhere or encroached on a safe space and triggered someone...
 
He's just saying random stuff. Fascism is totally far right.

The problem with politics with younger peoole is they usually don't reason themselves; they are too influenced by what their parents say and believe as well as their friends.
 
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