Official Intel Ivy Bridge Discussion

[Guest]

no, 1366 x 768 sux...

 

[de5_Roy]

"Intel announces entry-level Ivy Bridge early " (core i3)
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27542-intel-announces-entry-level-ivy-bridge-early

 

[Guest]

test
no edit?

 

[Guest]

no idea . .i got stuck in the UK and couldn't edit messages . . you guys over on that side of the pond . . 😛

 

[Guest]

but the UK in your screen name . .and you "act" british.

 

[Guest]

 

[Guest]

and?
got a benchmark thread . . . ?

 

[lurn]

i have a question about IB and overheating.

does the overheating problem occur only when overclocking?

if you are not overclocking, then shouldn't be a concern about over heating with IB?

is this corrrect?

or does rise to hotter temps without overclocking in comparison with SB?

thanks,

lurn

 

[earl45]

i have a question about IB and overheating.

does the overheating problem occur only when overclocking?

if you are not overclocking, then shouldn't be a concern about over heating with IB?

is this corrrect?

or does rise to hotter temps without overclocking in comparison with SB?

thanks,

lurn

Running stock IB is cooler then SB, and yes the heat factor come into play only when overclocked.
I personally don't see the heat issue as a major concern I'm running both my 2600k and 3770k at
4.7 24/7.

 

[ebalong]

Running stock IB is cooler then SB, and yes the heat factor come into play only when overclocked.
I personally don't see the heat issue as a major concern I'm running both my 2600k and 3770k at
4.7 24/7.

I've seen misinformation being perpetuated about IB, stuff like - "running way hotter than SB even at stock.....". I don't know how the facts about the processor got distorted that way, but we have seen that Ivy uses less voltage than Sandy at similar clocks (up to around 4.0-4.3Ghz I think), so how could it be running hotter at stock and mild overclocks?

 

[Guest]

I've seen misinformation being perpetuated about IB, stuff like - "running way hotter than SB even at stock.....". I don't know how the facts about the processor got distorted that way, but we have seen that Ivy uses less voltage than Sandy at similar clocks (up to around 4.0-4.3Ghz I think), so how could it be running hotter at stock and mild overclocks?

haters will hate.

 

[Guest]

but in a ratio per sense; it doesn't.

[:lutfij:2]

 

[ebalong]

I think the actual temperature it runs is higher than SB but it's also made to run at that higher temp.
so yes it's true that temp wise it runs at a hotter temp (notice the way I stated that....) but in a ratio per sense; it doesn't.

it's kinda like reading between the lines cliche..

Made to run hotter? The max Tj temp is 105 for Ivy I think, and 95 for Sandy, but the Tcase is less than the Tcase on Sandy, so that seems contradictory. I wanna see some real temps posted by folks running Ivy at stock, not just words.

 

[Guest]

why I can't just mess with 'looniam' without any interruption..? 😛 :lol:

haters will hate.

 

[amuffin]

Why can't looniam not mess with me?

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Hewlett-Packard to Shun ARM at Debut of Microsoft Windows 8

Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ) said it will hold off selling tablets based on ARM Holdings Plc technology when the next version of Microsoft Corp. (MSFT)’s Windows operating system debuts later this year.

Hewlett-Packard instead will focus on so-called x86 chips, such as those made by Intel (INTC) Corp., said Marlene Somsak, a spokeswoman for Palo Alto, California-based Hewlett-Packard.

The decision marks a setback for ARM, which from the outset won’t have its technology in Windows tablets sold by the world’s largest maker of personal computers. It’s also a boon for Intel and Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD), the top makers of x86 chips.

“The decision to go with x86 was influenced by input from our customers,” Somsak wrote in an e-mail. “The robust and established ecosystem of x86 applications provides the best customer experience at this time and in the immediate future.”

Computer makers will use ARM-based chips in devices that run a version of Microsoft’s operating system called Windows RT. Tablets using x86 chips will run Windows 8.

The decision cuts an already small number of Windows RT tablets planned for this year’s debut, the first time Microsoft has produced a version of its personal-computer operating system for use on chips with technology from ARM (ARM), in a bid to quell the dominance of Apple Inc.’s iPad. Microsoft limited the number of computer-makers given early access to the Windows RT code to ensure a smaller number of high-quality devices.

The first Hewlett-Packard tablet with Windows 8 will focus on the business market, Somsak said.

Hewlett-Packard’s decision to avoid ARM initially was made before Microsoft announced its plan to sell its own tablets in competition with Hewlett-Packard, Somsak said.

I'll be interested in upgrading to a Win8 IB tablet, from my Asus Transformer as the latter just seems pretty slow nowadays. Could be the 300+ games my son downloaded on the SD card , but even so it takes almost a minute to boot up and establish an internet connection. Hope the Win8 tablet can come close to the 8+ hour battery life however..

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Made to run hotter? The max Tj temp is 105 for Ivy I think, and 95 for Sandy, but the Tcase is less than the Tcase on Sandy, so that seems contradictory. I wanna see some real temps posted by folks running Ivy at stock, not just words.

I've had my 3770K build for around a month now, and although I have a HAF932 vented case (mainly holes with some metal ), 3 gigantic fans front, top & side plus a tiny 140mm fan in the rear, as well as a Zalman 9900 cooler, the processor runs a few degrees above ambient under light loads all day long. Haven't had time to bench or do much of anything except run accounting spreadsheets on it, but hope to get around to playing with it a bit more this weekend. And by a "few degrees" I mean less than 10 degrees Fahrenheit, since that is how I have my mobo temp utility set up. So if it is 78 degrees F in my home office, the CPU is around 85 degrees along with the mobo temp, at least according to Asus' utility.

However, I've at least managed to resolve all my issues such as the HD4K igp overscanning to a plasma TV (indeed have to set the TV to "dot by dot" and then save that setting), and no audio to the TV - turns out that Win7, while supporting multiple audio devices, will only let you select one active output device at a time. I have a SB Recon soundcard connected to the external audio as well as the Asus onboard audio connected to a 5.1 gaming headset, so if I want to use the headset I have to right-click the speaker icon and choose the headset as output device. Kinda annoying IMO as I have about 8 different choices - audio over the HD4K HDMI output, over the 7970 HDMI output, front panel output, etc etc. My Asus P8Z77 deluxe mobo includes onboard wifi & bluetooth, so if I want to play music over my stereo system in the next room that has a bluetooth stereo adapter, I can only use that output device and not be able to listen in both rooms at the same time. When I get time I'll look around to see if any utilities out there that can support simultaneous outputs..

 

[Guest]

^ its a computer not a mixing board! completely different bus.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

^?? Not trying to mix signals into one output, but enable multiple outputs of one signal at the same time. And it is an OS problem, not a "bus" problem...

BTW, it was supported in XP, where you could enable both the analog and SPDIF outputs, but not Vista and Win7 - it's one or the other but not both.

 

[Guest]

on an analogue mixing board the bus has physical multiple inputs/outputs that are controlled by a pot (thats a knob not weed) or fader. i would venture to say that on a computer it is software that emulates the output through drivers and codecs; nothing physical there. so yes it is a software problem because of the bus.

of course i could be completely fruity loops.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Well on my ancient Q6700 machine running XP with a Soundblaster card, I can output to my speakers through the analog jacks and, at the same time, to a digital device via the SPDIF output. So this is not exactly new technology. And yes the SB mixer (or XP mixer) emulates a mixing board, but you can direct the output to more than just one device.

There's lots of complaints about Vista & Win7 disabling the multiple outputs, and for some odd reason Microsoft doesn't seem to think its a problem (or care about it either). Granted maybe not many people would find such a feature useful, but for situations such as the one I described (playing music in two rooms), it's annoying that they would disable it.

 

[-Fran-]

Well on my ancient Q6700 machine running XP with a Soundblaster card, I can output to my speakers through the analog jacks and, at the same time, to a digital device via the SPDIF output. So this is not exactly new technology. And yes the SB mixer (or XP mixer) emulates a mixing board, but you can direct the output to more than just one device.

There's lots of complaints about Vista & Win7 disabling the multiple outputs, and for some odd reason Microsoft doesn't seem to think its a problem (or care about it either). Granted maybe not many people would find such a feature useful, but for situations such as the one I described (playing music in two rooms), it's annoying that they would disable it.

I am one of those with nerd rage for it... I used to play music on my speakers while using my headphones for Ventrilo/Skype/GTalk. I used the KX Drivers though; never liked the SB drivers... Ugh...

Cheers!

 

[Guest]

I am one of those with nerd rage for it... I used to play music on my speakers while using my headphones for Ventrilo/Skype/GTalk. I used the KX Drivers though; never liked the SB drivers... Ugh...

Cheers!

this make a difference?
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprogeneral/thread/b1d1acac-1f21-4d23-8d68-98964d67c2c7

As you may noticed, great improvements have been made in Windows 7. Applications can realize Stream Routing via the new Core Audio APIs. Windows 7 has the ability to distinguish between communication devices and all other audio devices. It is now possible to have both a Default Communications Device that is separate from the Default Audio Device. The Default Communication Devices will be used for PC based communication like web chat or VOIP, and the Default Audio Device will be used for everything else. Stream switching enabled dynamic stream switching based on the default device. If the default audio device is disabled or unplugged, Windows automatically tries to determine the next default audio device and will dynamically redirect the audio to that new device.

For instance, if you would like to play the audio via headphone when using communication applications such as Windows Live Messenger, we can simply right click the volume icon in the system tray, click Playback Devices, right click the headphone listed and then choose Set as default Communications Device.

For more information, please refer to the following articles:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd756612(VS.85).aspx
http://louisgale.blogspot.com/2009/08/live-messenger-and-default.html

 

[-Fran-]

Problem is when Windows doesn't recognize your program as a "voice thingy".

But yeah; I've survived thanks to that and not using Team Speak, hahaha.

Cheers! 😛

 

[josejones]

i have a question about IB and overheating.

does the overheating problem occur only when overclocking?

if you are not overclocking, then shouldn't be a concern about over heating with IB?

is this corrrect?

or does rise to hotter temps without overclocking in comparison with SB?

thanks,

lurn

I7 3770 Heat Tests in 85F Room Temps
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/335271-28-3770-heat-tests-room-temps

I7 3770k stock heatsink (40C idle 95C Maxed) temperature concerns
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/338259-28-3770k-stock-heatsink-idle-maxed-temperature-concerns