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I've been quite curious myself, and I haven't seen many speculation on
that topic since the preview began.
What do you expect to see on the starters in terms of vampires?
Since WW re-released the game, almost all starters' crypt cards were
comprised mostly of reprinted vampires. The exceptions were
starter-only vamps and a few new ones on the Cam set. Let's see the
formula through the ages:
- Sabbat War: 10 reprinted vampires from Sabbat (though one has to
account to the fact that the whole expansion was a reprint) and 2
starter-only new ones.
- Final Nights: 2 starter-only vamps and 10 reprinted vampires from
Ancient Hearts and Dark Sovereigns (as appropriate)
- Bloodlines: no starters.
- Camarilla: 1 reprinted vamp from Final Nights; 8 reprinted vamps
from DS/AH; 3 new vamps that appear on boosters -> beginning of group
3
- Anarchs: 9 reprinted vampires from the Camarilla set; 2 starter-only
vampires; 1 new vampire that also appear on boosters (exception for
the Barons: 8 reprinted, 2 starter-only, 2 new - one being and ADV
version of a Cam Set vampire)
- Black Hand: Pretty much the same: 9 reprinted vampires from the
older sets; 2 starter-only vamps; 1 new vamp that also appear on
boosters (disregarding the swapping problem which placed Yong-Sun ADV
on the starter etc.)
- Gehenna: no starters.
And Kindred Most Wanted, the first expansion to account for group 4 on
starters?
I don't think these would bring group 2-3 crypts. Not that it is
impossible to work out, but I guess it would be frustrating to a new
player spending money on a few boxes to get a bunch of mixed vampires
from groups 2 to 4.
On the other hand, how would the crypts be assembled using only group
3-4? And the long tradition of reprinting vamps? Spreading a lot of
new vampires on these crypts would also mean that the hypothetical
buyer who orders one starter box and, say, two booster boxes ends up
with 5 to 7 copies of these vampires. Not good also.
So what's the formula? Or there is no one, throw them as necessary?
(which the Anathema starter could easily suggest).
One wild guess:
All starters will feature 3 new vamps that also appear on boosters and
2 starter-only ones. The other 7 are reprints. The formula suited the
Cam edition - the start of group 3.
So the Anathema deck would include:
- Base Kemintiri and/or Base Tariq + 5 or 6 reprints (Count Germaine,
Ferox e Dylan are candidates); Jayne Jonestown and Rabbat as the
starter-only already announced; Adv Kemintiri and/or Tariq plus 1 or
2 new vampires (certainly Red List ones).
The Baali deck:
- 7 vamps previously released from group 3 with any combination of
obf/pre (including some or all 4 Setites released: Amenophobis,
Kahina, Ezekiel and Seren Sukardi); Sahira Siraj and Maureen as the
starter-only already announced; base or adv Petaniqua and 2 new Baali,
or even 3 new Baali, as the new vamps (that depends very much on how
Petaniqua will be treated. We never had the base and adv version of a
new vampire first released in the same set before, I believe).
The Alastors deck:
- 7 reprinted random vamps, depending on what set of disciplines will
be used (though the starter-only suggest at least [pot]); Benedict and
Echo as the starter-only already announced; Tatiana and 2 other new
vampires. (Maybe these 2 are Assamites if the deck include [obf],
[cel] and guns somehow. Not unrealistic since Assamites are used to be
hired by the Camarilla...)
Finally, the !Gangrel deck:
- Easy: Maria Stone, Harry Reese, Spider, Jalan-Aajav and Hartmut
Stover provide some synergy between country and city !gangrels. Splash
two weenies - Scarlet O' Toole and Jesus Alcala, maybe? - and you got
the 7 reprinted ones. Denette Stensen and Jeffrey Mullins are already
announced as starter-only... and the 3 new ones could be anything.
Maybe this deck in particular comes with less new vampires, since 3
new !Gangrel plus 2 starter-only would left only two new !Gangrel out
of 7 to be found only on boosters.
But this is just a ill-thought rant. Anyone would like to add up?
best,
Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
V:EKN National Coordinator for Brazil
--------------------------------------
Now a "luminary", whatever it means:
http://www.thelasombra.com/WhosWho/fabiomacedo.htm
I've been quite curious myself, and I haven't seen many speculation on
that topic since the preview began.
What do you expect to see on the starters in terms of vampires?
Since WW re-released the game, almost all starters' crypt cards were
comprised mostly of reprinted vampires. The exceptions were
starter-only vamps and a few new ones on the Cam set. Let's see the
formula through the ages:
- Sabbat War: 10 reprinted vampires from Sabbat (though one has to
account to the fact that the whole expansion was a reprint) and 2
starter-only new ones.
- Final Nights: 2 starter-only vamps and 10 reprinted vampires from
Ancient Hearts and Dark Sovereigns (as appropriate)
- Bloodlines: no starters.
- Camarilla: 1 reprinted vamp from Final Nights; 8 reprinted vamps
from DS/AH; 3 new vamps that appear on boosters -> beginning of group
3
- Anarchs: 9 reprinted vampires from the Camarilla set; 2 starter-only
vampires; 1 new vampire that also appear on boosters (exception for
the Barons: 8 reprinted, 2 starter-only, 2 new - one being and ADV
version of a Cam Set vampire)
- Black Hand: Pretty much the same: 9 reprinted vampires from the
older sets; 2 starter-only vamps; 1 new vamp that also appear on
boosters (disregarding the swapping problem which placed Yong-Sun ADV
on the starter etc.)
- Gehenna: no starters.
And Kindred Most Wanted, the first expansion to account for group 4 on
starters?
I don't think these would bring group 2-3 crypts. Not that it is
impossible to work out, but I guess it would be frustrating to a new
player spending money on a few boxes to get a bunch of mixed vampires
from groups 2 to 4.
On the other hand, how would the crypts be assembled using only group
3-4? And the long tradition of reprinting vamps? Spreading a lot of
new vampires on these crypts would also mean that the hypothetical
buyer who orders one starter box and, say, two booster boxes ends up
with 5 to 7 copies of these vampires. Not good also.
So what's the formula? Or there is no one, throw them as necessary?
(which the Anathema starter could easily suggest).
One wild guess:
All starters will feature 3 new vamps that also appear on boosters and
2 starter-only ones. The other 7 are reprints. The formula suited the
Cam edition - the start of group 3.
So the Anathema deck would include:
- Base Kemintiri and/or Base Tariq + 5 or 6 reprints (Count Germaine,
Ferox e Dylan are candidates); Jayne Jonestown and Rabbat as the
starter-only already announced; Adv Kemintiri and/or Tariq plus 1 or
2 new vampires (certainly Red List ones).
The Baali deck:
- 7 vamps previously released from group 3 with any combination of
obf/pre (including some or all 4 Setites released: Amenophobis,
Kahina, Ezekiel and Seren Sukardi); Sahira Siraj and Maureen as the
starter-only already announced; base or adv Petaniqua and 2 new Baali,
or even 3 new Baali, as the new vamps (that depends very much on how
Petaniqua will be treated. We never had the base and adv version of a
new vampire first released in the same set before, I believe).
The Alastors deck:
- 7 reprinted random vamps, depending on what set of disciplines will
be used (though the starter-only suggest at least [pot]); Benedict and
Echo as the starter-only already announced; Tatiana and 2 other new
vampires. (Maybe these 2 are Assamites if the deck include [obf],
[cel] and guns somehow. Not unrealistic since Assamites are used to be
hired by the Camarilla...)
Finally, the !Gangrel deck:
- Easy: Maria Stone, Harry Reese, Spider, Jalan-Aajav and Hartmut
Stover provide some synergy between country and city !gangrels. Splash
two weenies - Scarlet O' Toole and Jesus Alcala, maybe? - and you got
the 7 reprinted ones. Denette Stensen and Jeffrey Mullins are already
announced as starter-only... and the 3 new ones could be anything.
Maybe this deck in particular comes with less new vampires, since 3
new !Gangrel plus 2 starter-only would left only two new !Gangrel out
of 7 to be found only on boosters.
But this is just a ill-thought rant. Anyone would like to add up?
best,
Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
V:EKN National Coordinator for Brazil
--------------------------------------
Now a "luminary", whatever it means:
http://www.thelasombra.com/WhosWho/fabiomacedo.htm
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