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SLI was killing nVidia's bottom line as one could buy two x70s and sometimes even x50 Tis for less than the x80. Twin 970s were 40% faster on average than the 980 for the same price, and on the tougher games, scaling was 95 => > 100 %. But like many things with the 10xx series, one has to pay attention .. the old rules don't apply. At 1080p, scaling averaged just 18% ... at 1440p, a bit over 30% ... only at 4K could an argument be made for SLI. Why is that ?
I'm not in a position to say but here's some possible reasons ...
a) GPU performance improvements generation to generation has been H U G E, always in double digits and sometimes approaching 50%. . CPUs and the rest of the system have provided low single digit performance improvements.
b) Resource Allocation - Driver developer teams are now struggling with X12 / Vulkan and a host of new games being adapted for these APIs. nVidia after focusing on the larger installed base of DX11 games seems, from driver release notes, to be starting to focus more on DX12. AMD, I imagine to try and steal some of nVidia's thunder, seems to have spent more time on DX12 early on. SLI, with much lower installed base, has to wait until the "big picture" gals are met, before addressing th smaller market segments.
c) No competition - With AMD offering no competition to the 1070 / 1080, there would be only 1 card hurt by improved SLI performance ... the 1080. From a bottom line perspective, it is simply against nVidia's financial interests to bring SLI performance up to the level of the 9xx series. They make more money selling one 1080 than w/ two 1070s.
Thru the 7xx series and 9xx series, all of the builds in which we were involved were either SLI from the get go or SLI capable w/ SLI capable MoBos / PSUs. No 10xx builds have been SLI; because the usual overwhelming performance / cost ratio just wasn't there. But with a marginal increase is PSU cost, one could be prepared if things change. With the new 144 Hz 4k, IPS, DP 1.4 capable monitors arriving soon, 4k now makes a lot of more sense. Methinks 4k SLI performance was "allowed" to go to 50% just so that it wouldn't be poo poo'd too much by the trade press. But once:
a) These monitors are on the market, and
b) AMD provided some competition in these price / performance segments
... we just might see a significant scaling increase occur. These new monitors won't be able to strut their stuff w/ any single card so it will be the only option for those that have been sitting waiting for 100 fps in ULMB @ 4k.
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Just for future reference, any Thermography Tech will tell you that your thermal pics are really misleading on the visual side. Understand you're trying to show something more for entertainment purposes, but your temp ranges for the photos need to stay consistent if the intent is to show what they are actually doing thermally in relation to each other against an empirical standard rather than just the highest temp the camera sees.
Classic trick used to show more "colorful" results, but it's all relative.
Don't know if Tom's cares about such trial stuff, but hey, gotta put it out there.
Classic trick used to show more "colorful" results, but it's all relative.
Don't know if Tom's cares about such trial stuff, but hey, gotta put it out there.
Yeah, a bit disingenuous for two reasons:
1. There are no gains to be had keeping the core under 40C, we learned this with Maxwell (I personally learned this with Maxwell).
2. The cooler is vastly improved over Titan XP, simply setting both fans to 75% RPM 1080 Ti FE is a full 8C cooler than Titan XP (74C vs 82C) over 2.0GHz and 4-6% faster. Sure it makes noise, but the allure of water cooling, back in the days when performance used to scale with voltage, is the potential for higher sustained frequency and therefore performance.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/03/09/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1080_ti_video_card_review/10
And lastly, cost benefit analysis, $400 out the door for no measurable gain other than acoustic performance? I mean, people all over the forums dabbling with overclocking are stuck at the same 2.05GHz wall, even after that slap their Titan XP waterblock on and bring the core under 40C.
To me, this "review" smacks of an advertisement. I get it, water cooling is cool, I've done the same, adding a Kraken G10 and X41 to my 980 Ti silently expelling the heat from the case and keeping the core under 45C, but other than that, no real, substantive gains were attained. In fact, my hypothesis that getting the core under 50C would allow me to go from the 1500MHz I had already secured on air to 1550MHz, was, to my dismay, utterly falsified.
1080 Ti FE with the fan set to 70-80% is your best bet from cost / benefit and performance perspective (unlike non-reference youre expelling the heat from the case).
And the bit about the VRM's running warm, yeah actually all reviews to date using FLIR have noted that the VRM cooling ability of the reference sample is now rivaling non-reference performance.
Redo your test with the fan set to 80% and take another FLIR image, I guarantee you you won't have the mediocre results you are showing here with your "comparision" (ahem, advertisement).
What was that you say, oh heat soak, you mean like how PC Gamer set the fan to 80% and after two hours of 100% load over 2.0 GHz with PT at 120% the highest it hit was 75C?
Oh you don't like the "whooshing" noise? Too bad for you, I wear headphones.
http://www.pcgamer.com/geforce-gtx-1080-ti-overclocking/
Next time be more thorough with your "comparison". No one with a modicum of sensibility is going to keep the default 50% fan algorithm. 75C isn't dangerous, nor detrimental to the card, and there is no thermal throttling here.
If you want to shill for your sponsor, show the acoustic performance improvement with audio and video and a decibel meter.
1. There are no gains to be had keeping the core under 40C, we learned this with Maxwell (I personally learned this with Maxwell).
2. The cooler is vastly improved over Titan XP, simply setting both fans to 75% RPM 1080 Ti FE is a full 8C cooler than Titan XP (74C vs 82C) over 2.0GHz and 4-6% faster. Sure it makes noise, but the allure of water cooling, back in the days when performance used to scale with voltage, is the potential for higher sustained frequency and therefore performance.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/03/09/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1080_ti_video_card_review/10
And lastly, cost benefit analysis, $400 out the door for no measurable gain other than acoustic performance? I mean, people all over the forums dabbling with overclocking are stuck at the same 2.05GHz wall, even after that slap their Titan XP waterblock on and bring the core under 40C.
To me, this "review" smacks of an advertisement. I get it, water cooling is cool, I've done the same, adding a Kraken G10 and X41 to my 980 Ti silently expelling the heat from the case and keeping the core under 45C, but other than that, no real, substantive gains were attained. In fact, my hypothesis that getting the core under 50C would allow me to go from the 1500MHz I had already secured on air to 1550MHz, was, to my dismay, utterly falsified.
1080 Ti FE with the fan set to 70-80% is your best bet from cost / benefit and performance perspective (unlike non-reference youre expelling the heat from the case).
And the bit about the VRM's running warm, yeah actually all reviews to date using FLIR have noted that the VRM cooling ability of the reference sample is now rivaling non-reference performance.
Redo your test with the fan set to 80% and take another FLIR image, I guarantee you you won't have the mediocre results you are showing here with your "comparision" (ahem, advertisement).
What was that you say, oh heat soak, you mean like how PC Gamer set the fan to 80% and after two hours of 100% load over 2.0 GHz with PT at 120% the highest it hit was 75C?
Oh you don't like the "whooshing" noise? Too bad for you, I wear headphones.
http://www.pcgamer.com/geforce-gtx-1080-ti-overclocking/
Next time be more thorough with your "comparison". No one with a modicum of sensibility is going to keep the default 50% fan algorithm. 75C isn't dangerous, nor detrimental to the card, and there is no thermal throttling here.
If you want to shill for your sponsor, show the acoustic performance improvement with audio and video and a decibel meter.
@vulcan78:
Simply for your interest - the water block was NOT sponsored by aqua-computer. It seems that conspiracy theories are now a new American trend. But one question, if you already decided to go into this direction: you do not work by chance for Nvidia's webshop? I know, their PR like this hair dryers 😀
I'm running here up to 7 machines in my lab and all rigs are watercooled. And no: I'm not using any FLIR cams. Never. For a really good reason. 😉
BTW: No idea, why the guys in your link have not increased the voltage. This is really easy to solve and well-known since a long time.
Simply for your interest - the water block was NOT sponsored by aqua-computer. It seems that conspiracy theories are now a new American trend. But one question, if you already decided to go into this direction: you do not work by chance for Nvidia's webshop? I know, their PR like this hair dryers 😀
This is NOT the same, the Kraken is a really noisy toy. It is a simple AiO with a small thin radiator, not a custom water cooler. If you survive the fan of the Founders Edition at 70% and higher you must be simply deaf 😉
I'm running here up to 7 machines in my lab and all rigs are watercooled. And no: I'm not using any FLIR cams. Never. For a really good reason. 😉
It is the current limiter. I have bridged the shunt and it works stable at 2.1 GHz. A tick above 310 Watts average is ok, but this is nothing to show in public. Too dangerous, if the kiddies doesn't know, what they are doing
BTW: No idea, why the guys in your link have not increased the voltage. This is really easy to solve and well-known since a long time.
This is the same what Jensen does in Austin to show the ppl, how fast a 1080 is. There were so many people and it was so noisy at this location that everyone believed it blind. Take a look into our 1080 launch review. I does simply the same - high fan speed and oc. And it was at the end so silly noisy - it is simply nothing, to do it again. 😉
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@vulcan78:
Simply for your interest - the water block was NOT sponsored by aqua-computer. It seems that conspiracy theories are now a new American trend. But one question, if you already decided to go into this direction: you do not work by chance for Nvidia's webshop? I know, their PR like this hair dryers 😀
I'm running here up to 7 machines in my lab and all rigs are watercooled. And no: I'm not using any FLIR cams. Never. For a really good reason. 😉
BTW: No idea, why the guys in your link have not increased the voltage. This is really easy to solve and well-known since a long time.
Simply for your interest - the water block was NOT sponsored by aqua-computer. It seems that conspiracy theories are now a new American trend. But one question, if you already decided to go into this direction: you do not work by chance for Nvidia's webshop? I know, their PR like this hair dryers 😀
This is NOT the same, the Kraken is a really noisy toy. It is a simple AiO with a small thin radiator, not a custom water cooler. If you survive the fan of the Founders Edition at 70% and higher you must be simply deaf 😉
I'm running here up to 7 machines in my lab and all rigs are watercooled. And no: I'm not using any FLIR cams. Never. For a really good reason. 😉
It is the current limiter. I have bridged the shunt and it works stable at 2.1 GHz. A tick above 310 Watts average is ok, but this is nothing to show in public. Too dangerous, if the kiddies doesn't know, what they are doing
BTW: No idea, why the guys in your link have not increased the voltage. This is really easy to solve and well-known since a long time.
This is the same what Jensen does in Austin to show the ppl, how fast is a 1080. There were so many people and it was so noisy at this location that everyone believed it blind. Take a look into our 1080 launch review. I does simply the same - high fan speed and oc. And it was at the end so silly noisy - it is simply nothing, to do it again. 😉
Maybe you missed the graph comparing the 1080 and 1080 Ti FE's coolers with 1080 running at the same TDP and either being noisier or hotter at a given RPM. 1080 Ti is quieter at 75% RPM than 1080 FE and Titan XP are at comparable RPM, but you would know that had you actually set the fan to a decent speed for your "comparison". Freeing and cleaning up the exhaust of the new cooler has the added benefit of being quieter. Go ahead and crack your window open half an inch on a windy day, now crack it .75 of an inch.
50% RPM LMFAO.
Real scientific.
As I said, redo your review with the fan set to 75% RPM and take a decibel meter to this card and Titan XP and 1080 FE for acoustic and thermal performance differences.
Otherwise, this "review / comparison / advertisement / whatever" isn't scientific. Youre trying to promote a feeling about something. This is a 300W card, youre not going to evacuate that kind of heat at 50% fan speed with the reference cooler.
Following up on my last reply, here's some 1080 FE vs. 1080 Ti FE vs Titan XP benchmarks since youre essentially stating that 1080 Ti FE performs on par with Titan XP thermally speaking, that there have been no improvements to the cooler and that a $400 waterblock "investment" is in order, an assertion that I've already thoroughly dismantled with HardOCP's review where they simply had the intelligence to set both fans to 75% RPM and noted an 8C reduction vs. Titan XP. This waterblock solution absolutely made sense for Titan XP but I am here to state, quite authoritatively, that that is no longer the case. The 1080 Ti FE cooler IS NOT YOUR FATHERS COOLER. $400, youre probably 60% of the way towards GTX 1180 Ti. For the sake of objectivity, how about redoing the test, to include FLIR and acoustics doing a benchmark suite and game comparison both with the default FE cooler at 75-80% and the waterblock. From what I'm gathering, 1080 Ti owners on OC.net are at a 2062 MHz wall whether the core is at 70C or 40C.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1624521/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-owners-thread/800_100
Tad long post, but thought I would share some benching I did most of today between 1080's and 1080Ti's both FE to see how they compare at stock and overclocked with a few Titan X Maxwell Scores sprinkled in.
System Specs used: 5960x @ 4.6 Ghz, Cache @ 4.4 Ghz, 32GB RAM @ 14-17-17-34 1T
Panel used was the ASUS PG348Q, so 3440 x 1440 with V-Sync and G-Sync off in everything.
All cards used a 1:1 fan profile
GTX 1080Ti
Stock settings average boost 1860 Mhz Core / 11,016 Memory
Overclocked settings average boost 2002 Mhz / 12,000 MHz Memory
GTX 1080
Stock settings average boost 1848 Mhz Core / 10,012 Memory
Overclocked settings average boost 2075 Mhz / 11,000 MHz Memory
Titan X (Maxwell, EVGA SC BIOS)
Stock settings average boost 1316 Mhz Core / 7,012 Memory
Overclocked settings average boost 1474 Mhz / 8,020 MHz Memory
% increase and decrease is based on my stock 1080 scores. FPS are Averages
OVERALL AVERAGES ACROSS THE BENCHMARKS
GTX 1080: BASELINE
GTX 1080 OC'd: 9.98 % increase
GTX 1080Ti: 29.5% increase
GTX 1080 OC'd: 39.3% increase
Titan X: 12.2% Decrease
Titan X OC'd: 3.1% Decrease
Overall stock 1080Ti is 30% ahead or so of stock 1080 and similar for overlocked 1080Ti vs 1080. Gap is smaller, when we strip out synthetics which will scale better then games mostly. Now to see how SLI 1080 vs SLI 180Ti compares smile.gif
Far Cry Primal - Ultra Preset + HD Pack
GTX 1080: 60 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 67 FPS (11.6% Increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 80 FPS (33% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 87 FPS (45% increase)
Titan X: Average: 53 (11.7% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: Average: 59 (2% Decrease)
Ghost Recon Wildland - Very High Preset
GTX 1080: 57.5 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 61.21 FPS (6.5% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 71.25 FPS (23.9% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 76.59 FPS (33.2% increase)
Ash’s of the Singularity GPU Test - DX11 - Extreme Preset
GTX 1080: 57.5 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 61.21 FPS (6.5% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 71.25 FPS (23.9% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 76.59 FPS (33.2% increase)
GTA 5 - All settings Maxed but no MSAA on anything
GTX 1080: 71 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 83.1 FPS (15.7% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 88 FPS (22.6% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 94.8 FPS (32% increase
Titan X: 64.34 FPS (10.4% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 72.5 FPS (1% increase)
Arkham Knight - All settings maxed, No gamework settings on
GTX 1080:84 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 91 FPS (8.3% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 103 FPS (22.6% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 116 FPS (38.1% increase)
Tomb Raider - Ultimate Preset
GTX 1080: 98.2 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 108 FPS (10% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 131.9 FPS (34% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 141 FPS (44.5% increase)
Titan X: 88 FPS (10.4% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 96 FPS (2.3% decrease)
Dues Ex mankind Divided - Ultra Preset no MSAA
GTX 1080: 41.3 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 45.6 FPS (10.4% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 55.3 FPS (33.9% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 62.1 GPS (50.4% increase
Dragon Age inquisition - Ultra Preset
GTX 1080: 72.4 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 79.6 FPS (9.9% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 89.1 FPS (23.1% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 102 FPS (40.1% increase)
Titan X: 60.5 FPS (16.4% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 68 FPS (6.1% Decrease)
Witcher 3 - High Post processing Preset and Ultra Graphical quality Preset - Novigrad loop
GTX 1080: 54 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 60 FPS (11% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 67 FPS (24.1% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 72 FPS (33.3% increase)
Titan X: 49 FPS (9.3% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 52 FPS (3.1% Decrease)
Witcher 3 - High Post processing Preset and Ultra Graphical quality Preset - Skelliga crossroads trees / forests loop
GTX 1080: 49 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 51 FPS (4.1% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 59 FPS (20.4% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 63 FPS (28.6% increase)
Titan X: 43 FPS (12% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 47 FPS (4.1% Decrease)
Witcher 3 - High Post processing Preset and Ultra Graphical quality Preset - Beauclair castle balcony loop (Long Vista)
GTX 1080: 67 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 72 FPS (7.5% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 82 FPS (22.4% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 87 FPS (29.9% increase)
Titan X: 60 FPS (10.4% decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 65 FPS (3% Decrease)
Hitman Absolution - Ultra - 2 x MSAA
GTX 1080: 81.1 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 92.6 FPS (14.1% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 103.2 FPS (27% increase
GTX 1080 OC'd: 113 FPS (39% increase)
Titan X: 68.4 FPS (15.7% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 78.1 FPS (3.7% Decrease)
Shadow of Mordor - Ultra Preset
GTX 1080: 94.95 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 107.19 FPS (12.9% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 116.06 FPS (22.2% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 127.06 (33.8% increase)
Titan X: 81.2 FPS (14.5% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 92.6 FPS (2.5% Decrease)
Total War Warhammer - Ultra Preset
GTX 1080: 68 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 78.2 FPS (15% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 96.71 FPS (42.2%)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 103 FPS (51.5% increase)
Metro Last Light Redux - All settings Maxed No Motion Blur
GTX 1080: 38.1 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 41.14 FPS (8% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 49.91 FPS (31% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 56 FPS (47% increase)
Vally Benchmark - Extreme HD Preset resolution at 1440p
GTX 1080: 66.1 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 70.5 FPS (6.7% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 89.9 FPS (36% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 97.3 FPS (47% increase)
Firestrike
GTX 1080: Graphics Score: 20800
GTX 1080 OC'd: Graphics Score: 23700 (13.9% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: Graphics Score: 27417 (31.8% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: Graphics score 29050 (39.7% increase)
Firestrike Extreme
GTX 1080: Graphics Score: 9721
GTX 1080 OC'd: Graphics Score: 11451 (17.8% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: Graphics Score: 13465 (38.4% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: Graphics Score: 14525 (49.4% increase)
Firestrike Ultra
GTX 1080: Graphics Score: 4917
GTX 1080 OC'd: Graphics Score: 5624 (14.4% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: Graphics Score: 6808 (38.5% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: Graphics Score: 7109 (44.6% increase)
http://www.overclock.net/t/1624521/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-owners-thread/800_100
Tad long post, but thought I would share some benching I did most of today between 1080's and 1080Ti's both FE to see how they compare at stock and overclocked with a few Titan X Maxwell Scores sprinkled in.
System Specs used: 5960x @ 4.6 Ghz, Cache @ 4.4 Ghz, 32GB RAM @ 14-17-17-34 1T
Panel used was the ASUS PG348Q, so 3440 x 1440 with V-Sync and G-Sync off in everything.
All cards used a 1:1 fan profile
GTX 1080Ti
Stock settings average boost 1860 Mhz Core / 11,016 Memory
Overclocked settings average boost 2002 Mhz / 12,000 MHz Memory
GTX 1080
Stock settings average boost 1848 Mhz Core / 10,012 Memory
Overclocked settings average boost 2075 Mhz / 11,000 MHz Memory
Titan X (Maxwell, EVGA SC BIOS)
Stock settings average boost 1316 Mhz Core / 7,012 Memory
Overclocked settings average boost 1474 Mhz / 8,020 MHz Memory
% increase and decrease is based on my stock 1080 scores. FPS are Averages
OVERALL AVERAGES ACROSS THE BENCHMARKS
GTX 1080: BASELINE
GTX 1080 OC'd: 9.98 % increase
GTX 1080Ti: 29.5% increase
GTX 1080 OC'd: 39.3% increase
Titan X: 12.2% Decrease
Titan X OC'd: 3.1% Decrease
Overall stock 1080Ti is 30% ahead or so of stock 1080 and similar for overlocked 1080Ti vs 1080. Gap is smaller, when we strip out synthetics which will scale better then games mostly. Now to see how SLI 1080 vs SLI 180Ti compares smile.gif
Far Cry Primal - Ultra Preset + HD Pack
GTX 1080: 60 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 67 FPS (11.6% Increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 80 FPS (33% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 87 FPS (45% increase)
Titan X: Average: 53 (11.7% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: Average: 59 (2% Decrease)
Ghost Recon Wildland - Very High Preset
GTX 1080: 57.5 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 61.21 FPS (6.5% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 71.25 FPS (23.9% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 76.59 FPS (33.2% increase)
Ash’s of the Singularity GPU Test - DX11 - Extreme Preset
GTX 1080: 57.5 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 61.21 FPS (6.5% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 71.25 FPS (23.9% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 76.59 FPS (33.2% increase)
GTA 5 - All settings Maxed but no MSAA on anything
GTX 1080: 71 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 83.1 FPS (15.7% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 88 FPS (22.6% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 94.8 FPS (32% increase
Titan X: 64.34 FPS (10.4% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 72.5 FPS (1% increase)
Arkham Knight - All settings maxed, No gamework settings on
GTX 1080:84 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 91 FPS (8.3% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 103 FPS (22.6% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 116 FPS (38.1% increase)
Tomb Raider - Ultimate Preset
GTX 1080: 98.2 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 108 FPS (10% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 131.9 FPS (34% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 141 FPS (44.5% increase)
Titan X: 88 FPS (10.4% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 96 FPS (2.3% decrease)
Dues Ex mankind Divided - Ultra Preset no MSAA
GTX 1080: 41.3 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 45.6 FPS (10.4% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 55.3 FPS (33.9% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 62.1 GPS (50.4% increase
Dragon Age inquisition - Ultra Preset
GTX 1080: 72.4 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 79.6 FPS (9.9% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 89.1 FPS (23.1% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 102 FPS (40.1% increase)
Titan X: 60.5 FPS (16.4% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 68 FPS (6.1% Decrease)
Witcher 3 - High Post processing Preset and Ultra Graphical quality Preset - Novigrad loop
GTX 1080: 54 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 60 FPS (11% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 67 FPS (24.1% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 72 FPS (33.3% increase)
Titan X: 49 FPS (9.3% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 52 FPS (3.1% Decrease)
Witcher 3 - High Post processing Preset and Ultra Graphical quality Preset - Skelliga crossroads trees / forests loop
GTX 1080: 49 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 51 FPS (4.1% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 59 FPS (20.4% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 63 FPS (28.6% increase)
Titan X: 43 FPS (12% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 47 FPS (4.1% Decrease)
Witcher 3 - High Post processing Preset and Ultra Graphical quality Preset - Beauclair castle balcony loop (Long Vista)
GTX 1080: 67 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 72 FPS (7.5% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 82 FPS (22.4% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 87 FPS (29.9% increase)
Titan X: 60 FPS (10.4% decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 65 FPS (3% Decrease)
Hitman Absolution - Ultra - 2 x MSAA
GTX 1080: 81.1 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 92.6 FPS (14.1% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 103.2 FPS (27% increase
GTX 1080 OC'd: 113 FPS (39% increase)
Titan X: 68.4 FPS (15.7% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 78.1 FPS (3.7% Decrease)
Shadow of Mordor - Ultra Preset
GTX 1080: 94.95 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 107.19 FPS (12.9% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 116.06 FPS (22.2% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 127.06 (33.8% increase)
Titan X: 81.2 FPS (14.5% Decrease)
Titan X OC'd: 92.6 FPS (2.5% Decrease)
Total War Warhammer - Ultra Preset
GTX 1080: 68 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 78.2 FPS (15% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 96.71 FPS (42.2%)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 103 FPS (51.5% increase)
Metro Last Light Redux - All settings Maxed No Motion Blur
GTX 1080: 38.1 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 41.14 FPS (8% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 49.91 FPS (31% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 56 FPS (47% increase)
Vally Benchmark - Extreme HD Preset resolution at 1440p
GTX 1080: 66.1 FPS
GTX 1080 OC'd: 70.5 FPS (6.7% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: 89.9 FPS (36% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: 97.3 FPS (47% increase)
Firestrike
GTX 1080: Graphics Score: 20800
GTX 1080 OC'd: Graphics Score: 23700 (13.9% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: Graphics Score: 27417 (31.8% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: Graphics score 29050 (39.7% increase)
Firestrike Extreme
GTX 1080: Graphics Score: 9721
GTX 1080 OC'd: Graphics Score: 11451 (17.8% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: Graphics Score: 13465 (38.4% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: Graphics Score: 14525 (49.4% increase)
Firestrike Ultra
GTX 1080: Graphics Score: 4917
GTX 1080 OC'd: Graphics Score: 5624 (14.4% increase)
GTX 1080Ti: Graphics Score: 6808 (38.5% increase)
GTX 1080 OC'd: Graphics Score: 7109 (44.6% increase)
n0ns3ns3
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Nice.
Few things i've learned on my liquid cooled 1070.
Power limit is a bitch 🙁 there are two values for each limit. Max and target. the target is much lower than max.
Power limit counts total consumption including memory, fan and lighting if any. So with liquid last two are out of the equation.
I was able to achieve the highest frequency on 1.05v. Going higher would hit the power limit at lower frequency.
Downclocking the memory provided a bit more core overclock. Which again proves that NVIDIA went very (too) conservative with power limit.
Shunt resistors power mode adds some headroom. Easy to do, easy to undo.
My guess is that they intentionally "castrated" the first pascal gen to have an option to launch refresh this year if Vega would be to successful before they release Volta. or may be just to have an option to launch "new" gen and sell more cards.
Few things i've learned on my liquid cooled 1070.
Power limit is a bitch 🙁 there are two values for each limit. Max and target. the target is much lower than max.
Power limit counts total consumption including memory, fan and lighting if any. So with liquid last two are out of the equation.
I was able to achieve the highest frequency on 1.05v. Going higher would hit the power limit at lower frequency.
Downclocking the memory provided a bit more core overclock. Which again proves that NVIDIA went very (too) conservative with power limit.
Shunt resistors power mode adds some headroom. Easy to do, easy to undo.
My guess is that they intentionally "castrated" the first pascal gen to have an option to launch refresh this year if Vega would be to successful before they release Volta. or may be just to have an option to launch "new" gen and sell more cards.
Or maybe their engineers know more than backyard enthusiasts doing shunt mods and don't want to deal with the costs of a bunch of enthusiasts monkeying around setting PT to 200% and frying their cards and then asking for an RMA in short order for the sake of maybe 100 more MHz.
@vulkan78:
Simply measure the real values and then open both cards (1080 Ti and TitanX Pascal). You will be surprised. If you consider that the chip quality can fluctuate, the power consumption is at the end more or less the same (logically). One memory module less and a better production process from Micron is giving a small advantage for the 1080 Ti. On 99% utilization of GPU and memory you can measure a difference of 3 Watts for the exact power consumption of these cards. Not more? Oops...
The fans on the TitanX and the 1080 Ti are completely the same. The maximum rpm for this model (with a production tolerance of 4-5%) are 4800 to 5000 rpm. Both cards are producing exactly the same heat. The 1080 Ti, if you have read the launch review, is using a few more, parallelly working MOSFETs on the low-side to increase the hotspot area and to decrease the density (and electrical resistance of this N-channel MOSFETs + losses) up to 50%. This also allows to pick-up more heat from PCB directly to the cooling frame. The same with a lot more special thermal pads (fleece mixed with thermal compound) to have a direct contact to a few active and or heated components. The heat from the hotspot is not spreading so extreme and the GPU socket is after 15 minutes a tick cooler. But all this small improvements are not able to reduce the GPU temperatures so dramatically as you say. 1-2 Kelvin are ok, but not more.
And please don't use the PWM percent values, this is totally inaccurate without decimals. I measure the rpm with laser or log it with software (if I can believe the drivers) but the percentage values are really silly. The fan of the TitanX runs in the case of maximimum heat emission (251 Watts) with approx 2750 rpm to keep the GPU at 84°C. The fan of the 1080 Ti FE runs with approx 2650 rpm only 100 rpm less to keep the same 84°C for 248W heat. Oops? This looks very similar. If you work accurate, you must bring both cards to the same rpm, not the same PWM percent in a software setting. This is elementary school level, sorry. Such comparisons are totally worthless.
Own fan curves? I remember the R9 290X launch review and AMDs drivers. The fans were PWM controlled but alone the big production tolerance of this fans was able to produce big differences in the cooling results between different cards of the same model. AMD re-programmed after my findings (and a longer discussion between us and the driver team in Toronto) the drivers overnight (as suggested by us) with a curve of exact RPM-values and not such an inaccurate PWM percentage (of fan max speeed). And it was working a lot better and the different cards were working equal. To be honest: the same (saved) fan curve in Afterburner (or other tools) will never produce exactly the same rpm values on different cards with the same fan model inside. This knowledge of these tolerances and the possible follows are trivial basics.
Now compare the cooler construction and you will see, that not only the vapor camber is also more or less totally similar. Compare openings, dimensions and weight. And now please answer me: from where this 1080 Ti can get such an improvement in comparison to the Titan X Pascal? This is pure PR speach, nothing else. A typical marketing bubble 😀
If you hate water cooled solutions (a closed-loop AiO with a small 120mm radiator isn't a real water cooler, it is a toy) and if you like only air-cooled cards, it is you private decision and taste. But please accept, that other ways may be more effective, more accurate and at the end also more efficient, independend from the price tag. If you buy cheap, you will buy twice. And please spare us such marketing blah blah. Air cooling is limited and the physics is not a bitch.
If you read my reviews often, you will se that I'm using within one review for all situations the same range. The cameras are bolometers, not pyrometers (like the FLIR entry-level models). If the emissive factor is right (and the transmissive for the foil), the results are correct in each case. Independend from the colors. But why I decreased the temperature range (not the color range) for the picture of the water cooled card? I had to decide, what is more important: a direct comparison between both cards (and as follow a loss of the most visible details) or to show, how the heat spreads on the board in detail. With such a large range as I used it for the air-cooled card, all details will be lost and the board will be shown in nearly the same color. Ergo: nothing to see. I know, that's not 100% correct from your sight, but in this case allowed.
Exactly this camera is also used by Globalfoundries and the engineers are comparing the heat values as real numbers (also over an API for alerts) and an (also automatically in real-time) optimized temperature range to get the most possible details for visualization. The manufacturer teached me in a lot of fields for the best possible utilization of this (expensive) equipment and I spent a lot of time and money to understand the secrets behind. 😉
Simply measure the real values and then open both cards (1080 Ti and TitanX Pascal). You will be surprised. If you consider that the chip quality can fluctuate, the power consumption is at the end more or less the same (logically). One memory module less and a better production process from Micron is giving a small advantage for the 1080 Ti. On 99% utilization of GPU and memory you can measure a difference of 3 Watts for the exact power consumption of these cards. Not more? Oops...
8 Kelvin difference are impossible (thermodynamics).
The fans on the TitanX and the 1080 Ti are completely the same. The maximum rpm for this model (with a production tolerance of 4-5%) are 4800 to 5000 rpm. Both cards are producing exactly the same heat. The 1080 Ti, if you have read the launch review, is using a few more, parallelly working MOSFETs on the low-side to increase the hotspot area and to decrease the density (and electrical resistance of this N-channel MOSFETs + losses) up to 50%. This also allows to pick-up more heat from PCB directly to the cooling frame. The same with a lot more special thermal pads (fleece mixed with thermal compound) to have a direct contact to a few active and or heated components. The heat from the hotspot is not spreading so extreme and the GPU socket is after 15 minutes a tick cooler. But all this small improvements are not able to reduce the GPU temperatures so dramatically as you say. 1-2 Kelvin are ok, but not more.
And please don't use the PWM percent values, this is totally inaccurate without decimals. I measure the rpm with laser or log it with software (if I can believe the drivers) but the percentage values are really silly. The fan of the TitanX runs in the case of maximimum heat emission (251 Watts) with approx 2750 rpm to keep the GPU at 84°C. The fan of the 1080 Ti FE runs with approx 2650 rpm only 100 rpm less to keep the same 84°C for 248W heat. Oops? This looks very similar. If you work accurate, you must bring both cards to the same rpm, not the same PWM percent in a software setting. This is elementary school level, sorry. Such comparisons are totally worthless.
Own fan curves? I remember the R9 290X launch review and AMDs drivers. The fans were PWM controlled but alone the big production tolerance of this fans was able to produce big differences in the cooling results between different cards of the same model. AMD re-programmed after my findings (and a longer discussion between us and the driver team in Toronto) the drivers overnight (as suggested by us) with a curve of exact RPM-values and not such an inaccurate PWM percentage (of fan max speeed). And it was working a lot better and the different cards were working equal. To be honest: the same (saved) fan curve in Afterburner (or other tools) will never produce exactly the same rpm values on different cards with the same fan model inside. This knowledge of these tolerances and the possible follows are trivial basics.
Now compare the cooler construction and you will see, that not only the vapor camber is also more or less totally similar. Compare openings, dimensions and weight. And now please answer me: from where this 1080 Ti can get such an improvement in comparison to the Titan X Pascal? This is pure PR speach, nothing else. A typical marketing bubble 😀
If you hate water cooled solutions (a closed-loop AiO with a small 120mm radiator isn't a real water cooler, it is a toy) and if you like only air-cooled cards, it is you private decision and taste. But please accept, that other ways may be more effective, more accurate and at the end also more efficient, independend from the price tag. If you buy cheap, you will buy twice. And please spare us such marketing blah blah. Air cooling is limited and the physics is not a bitch.
If you read my reviews often, you will se that I'm using within one review for all situations the same range. The cameras are bolometers, not pyrometers (like the FLIR entry-level models). If the emissive factor is right (and the transmissive for the foil), the results are correct in each case. Independend from the colors. But why I decreased the temperature range (not the color range) for the picture of the water cooled card? I had to decide, what is more important: a direct comparison between both cards (and as follow a loss of the most visible details) or to show, how the heat spreads on the board in detail. With such a large range as I used it for the air-cooled card, all details will be lost and the board will be shown in nearly the same color. Ergo: nothing to see. I know, that's not 100% correct from your sight, but in this case allowed.
Exactly this camera is also used by Globalfoundries and the engineers are comparing the heat values as real numbers (also over an API for alerts) and an (also automatically in real-time) optimized temperature range to get the most possible details for visualization. The manufacturer teached me in a lot of fields for the best possible utilization of this (expensive) equipment and I spent a lot of time and money to understand the secrets behind. 😉
carlosriosness
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how about FPS differences. not the chart you posted on page 2. but maybe a hand full of games at 1440p and 4k. the avg fps at stock vs with the OC.
not worth the cost for a 15% performance increase.
just get a AIB card when they are out and OC to 1900~2000 and call it a day.
my 1080 oc to 2050 no problem with nothing added.
my 1060 oc to 2100 with nothing added.
what is the point of water cooling?
longer lasting components? like i'm goign to use my high end gpu for more than 2 years...........i sell and upgrade every 2 years i could care less about long lasting components.
i guess it's for looks?
just get a AIB card when they are out and OC to 1900~2000 and call it a day.
my 1080 oc to 2050 no problem with nothing added.
my 1060 oc to 2100 with nothing added.
what is the point of water cooling?
longer lasting components? like i'm goign to use my high end gpu for more than 2 years...........i sell and upgrade every 2 years i could care less about long lasting components.
i guess it's for looks?
It is for silence 😉
My gaming table with two 1080's inside is quieter than a custom 1080 with air cooling 😉
Together with the 6950X @ 4.2 GHz I need to cool down nearly 700 Watts at maximum. Try this with air....
It was so funny. The Gigabyte VGA R&D and sales people from the Taipei headquarter were in my lab and five systems in one room were running. They were really shocked. No air-con noise, no fan noise... Simply high performance without any fat sound carpet.
My gaming table with two 1080's inside is quieter than a custom 1080 with air cooling 😉
Together with the 6950X @ 4.2 GHz I need to cool down nearly 700 Watts at maximum. Try this with air....
It was so funny. The Gigabyte VGA R&D and sales people from the Taipei headquarter were in my lab and five systems in one room were running. They were really shocked. No air-con noise, no fan noise... Simply high performance without any fat sound carpet.
I've already told you how 1080 Ti's cooler is running 8C cooler than Titan XP, and even cooler than GTX 1080 when all three fan's are set to 100% as can be seen in the following video and from the HardOCP review I've already referenced but will include again below. Remember Nvidia's bit about "2x airflow" yeah, that bit, removing the DVI-E port drastically opened the exhaust of the card. It doesn't matter what RPM you crank your blower style cooler to, if that heat can't be pushed out in an efficient manner.
Hey you want to pretend that 1080 Ti's reference cooler performs the same as Titan XP (and I suppose even 1080 FE going by the following video, this is a TDP difference of 100W) youre welcome to remain with your fantasies, just don't try to run a serious outlet such as Tom's Hardware promulgating junk science. Next time, as I've already recommended, be open to feedback LOOK at what we are saying (apparently youre not reading nor looking at anything I'm presenting to back my assertion as I've had to repeat all of it again here, particularly the bit about airflow).
I recommend updating this water-block review. We want the fans set to a user defined RPM, i.e. 75%, no 50% RPM nonsense, we want decibel readings, and THEN we want thermography readings on the card with the fan's set to a decent RPM, i.e. 70-80% RPM. Only an idiot is going to purchase 1080 Ti FE and not overclock it nor run the fan at 70% RPM to keep the clocks higher.
As far as the "AIO are toys" LMFAO. I ran an NZXT G10 and X41 on an MSI 980 Ti 6G Gaming (retaining the VRM cooling mid-plate) that is still in the case (1080 Ti is scheduled for delivery tomorrow) at 1500MHz core / 8GHz memory @ 1.218v with load temps <45C for nearly two years (July 2015). Zero problems. Zero noise, all heat expelled from the case, $100 out the door, not $400 out the door AND I can still use that same G10 and X41 140mm AIO on the 1080 Ti if I want, I don't need to spend $100 on a new water block and I get to retain the classic Nvidia aesthetic lighting flavor:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1624521/lightbox/post/25922023/id/2984205
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgspAYDpgoI
http://www.pcgamer.com/geforce-gtx-1080-ti-overclocking/
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/03/09/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1080_ti_video_card_review/10
Edit:
Read the part about Kraken G10 solution being "a really noise toy" LMFAO!
Try and spot the noise!
https://youtu.be/3Nq9cA65p-Y?t=9m49s
Full load!
That's my rig, "kraken is noisy' LMFAO, man youre sure youre not shilling for waterblock manufacturer? I mean is there anything else you want to present for me to demolish? Come on dude.
anbello262
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To be honest, at this point you're making yourself look bad. I reccomend you learn to keep your cool and your arguments will be taken more seriously in the future (it's a bit too late this time).
@vulcan78
I compared the TitanXP with the 1080 Ti in the lab, screw by screw, the 1080 is totally uninteresting in this comparison. And BTW; the linked review is more or less totally worthless, because there I missed the most the important data and any technical details about the coolers. I wrote you above, why this cards are similar (both cards are coming from PNY's same insertion line in China mainland) and where you can find the (small) differences.
If you have a problem to understand technical basics and why refurbished iron can't be so significant better, it is your problem. My one and only problem is to believe PR bubbles if I know the details and the background simply better. I have all three cards here - the Quadro P6000 with the uncrippled chip too. Same cooler under the hood (but other cover design) - similar cooling performance. And it is only one call to a factory to get closer info which parts are used. 😀
Your video is entertaining, the typical YT posing with a lot of blah blah instead of any professional measured data. You are invited to visit my lab and my semi-anechoic chamber (room-in-a-room, calibrated microphones and professional audio-software) to understand the basics of an exact, scientific work and to compare this small Asetek midget with a real water cooling solution and high-end fans.
The small Asetek pump is hearable (high pitch), the hybrid fan too (especially in idle!) and the 120mm fan is not a pain but the typical 5 USD standard crap from China. If someone is believing this is quiet he must be simply deaf. I've tested a Kraken X40/G10 in my lab long time ago and it is - as I said - a toy. Closed loop, not more. On a R9 290 I've measured three years ago 37,2 dB(A) in a distance of 50 cm, this IS noisy, if you can have the same thing with a level below 31 dB(A). THIS is nearly unhearable in the most rooms. A water cooler is only good, if you can think that the computer is switched off.
Physics isn't a bitch. If you are satisfied with this, why not? But never write about things that you have never owned, tested or measured. If you never tried a Mercedes, you will really think, a VW Rabbit would be the best car you can buy.
@anbello262:
I can't read any facts and arguments from his side, only insults and malicious allegations. And I'm sure he was searching only a chance to push his funny YT video and other websites. Or it is in real a paid Nvidia PR. It is a waste of time to bring facts if a guy not even can't understand the difference between duty cycle in percent and real speed in rpm. This are simply basics. Elementary school level.
I compared the TitanXP with the 1080 Ti in the lab, screw by screw, the 1080 is totally uninteresting in this comparison. And BTW; the linked review is more or less totally worthless, because there I missed the most the important data and any technical details about the coolers. I wrote you above, why this cards are similar (both cards are coming from PNY's same insertion line in China mainland) and where you can find the (small) differences.
If you have a problem to understand technical basics and why refurbished iron can't be so significant better, it is your problem. My one and only problem is to believe PR bubbles if I know the details and the background simply better. I have all three cards here - the Quadro P6000 with the uncrippled chip too. Same cooler under the hood (but other cover design) - similar cooling performance. And it is only one call to a factory to get closer info which parts are used. 😀
Your video is entertaining, the typical YT posing with a lot of blah blah instead of any professional measured data. You are invited to visit my lab and my semi-anechoic chamber (room-in-a-room, calibrated microphones and professional audio-software) to understand the basics of an exact, scientific work and to compare this small Asetek midget with a real water cooling solution and high-end fans.
The small Asetek pump is hearable (high pitch), the hybrid fan too (especially in idle!) and the 120mm fan is not a pain but the typical 5 USD standard crap from China. If someone is believing this is quiet he must be simply deaf. I've tested a Kraken X40/G10 in my lab long time ago and it is - as I said - a toy. Closed loop, not more. On a R9 290 I've measured three years ago 37,2 dB(A) in a distance of 50 cm, this IS noisy, if you can have the same thing with a level below 31 dB(A). THIS is nearly unhearable in the most rooms. A water cooler is only good, if you can think that the computer is switched off.
Physics isn't a bitch. If you are satisfied with this, why not? But never write about things that you have never owned, tested or measured. If you never tried a Mercedes, you will really think, a VW Rabbit would be the best car you can buy.
To be honest, but you are the typical Nvidia marketing victim. But it is the best proof, that their PR is working well 😉
@anbello262:
I can't read any facts and arguments from his side, only insults and malicious allegations. And I'm sure he was searching only a chance to push his funny YT video and other websites. Or it is in real a paid Nvidia PR. It is a waste of time to bring facts if a guy not even can't understand the difference between duty cycle in percent and real speed in rpm. This are simply basics. Elementary school level.
Am I the first one to notice this and thinking "strange"?
"Aquacomputer does include a thin thermal pad meant to cover most of the area over the VRMs. Since it’s a bit long, we shortened it and used the remainder to cover the spot where Titan X's twelfth memory module would have been."
Why would you even do that?!
"Aquacomputer does include a thin thermal pad meant to cover most of the area over the VRMs. Since it’s a bit long, we shortened it and used the remainder to cover the spot where Titan X's twelfth memory module would have been."
Why would you even do that?!
For two reasons:
The PCBA was soldered completely, that means: you have a lot of small soldering pills on the top where the 12th memory module is missing. Ok, there is a very small gap, but it is simply better to prevent this very close sitting copper block before any short circuits. Bending is a bitch. The second reason is for better cooling. This is a multi-layer PCB and especially on this place you can found inside also rails from VR to GPU. This costs nothing but you get an additional cooling surface with contact between copper block and PCBA.
LanzoCommando
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I'm with you.
I put my FE 1080TI in on Monday and since I've been toying around with it I haven't hit 75. It's not overclocked but the boost pushes it to some 1800mhz a lot (haven't had much time to play with looking at the clocks or overclocking). I adjust the fan curve to go to 60% around 60 and 70% around 70 (can't remember) and the highest temp I can recall is 72C. This is WITH a section of my case having a structural bar where the card mounts that runs across the blower exit and blocks a bit (will have to dremel that off I think).
My previous card, Strix 1070OC, with 90 and 95% fans at 1900mhz (2100 when you add in the Asus tweak "boost") would have a hard time staying at 75 in demanding stuff.
I think the TI is awesome. As for noise it's not louder than I had to run my Strix, probably quieter, and I wear headphones like you anyway. Who games with open speakers? Sounds like crap.
Real world and REALISTIC conditions the 1080TI is freaking awesome. Nobody in their right minds will run the blower at the stock curve and when you adjust I think temps run pretty damn good. I think water cooling is cool but it's hard to justifiy with these kinds of bench's.
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Irony: a recent article in New Scientist reported results from research which showed that people who use high frequency flat panel monitors become sensitised to such update rates, meaning they cannot go back to standard refresh monitors without enduring much annoyance.
Thus, the push to higher refresh monitors means that as time goes by relevant users will need ever higher refresh rates to perceive the same smoothness. 😀 It's like a drug for the rods and cones...
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