Performance problems? 2k dynamic dns issue

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I have our dns setup with dynamic dns enabled so each dhcp client gets a
record created on startup. The problem I'm seeing is my primary dns will
frequently return a not found error and then if you simply redo the query it
returns the correct results. You can redo the same error within 1 second and
what it could not find it can suddenly return accuratly.

I have webtrends monitoring the dns servers to see if they go down. Every 2
to 15 minutes the server becomes unreachable and then re-appears to the
monitoring software. We've had other software monitoring and it to found
that the primary dns would vanish and come back.

Any pointers on where to look for this?

 

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All clients & servers pointing ONLY at the DNS server(s)' LAN IP(s) for DNS
in their IP settings? With *no* external/ISP DNS server IPs specified there?

Kevin W. Gagel wrote:
> I have our dns setup with dynamic dns enabled so each dhcp client
> gets a record created on startup. The problem I'm seeing is my
> primary dns will frequently return a not found error and then if you
> simply redo the query it returns the correct results. You can redo
> the same error within 1 second and what it could not find it can
> suddenly return accuratly.
>
> I have webtrends monitoring the dns servers to see if they go down.
> Every 2 to 15 minutes the server becomes unreachable and then
> re-appears to the monitoring software. We've had other software
> monitoring and it to found that the primary dns would vanish and come
> back.
>
> Any pointers on where to look for this?

 

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All clients are automatically configured through dhcp which sets them to the
primary and secondary dns servers we have internally. These two servers are
configured with the primary as the one to forward changes to our ISP's dns
servers and our secondary acts as a slave to the primary.

So all clients using dhcp will/do have the primary and secondary dns servers
configured as their dns servers. None of them have the external (ISP)
servers as fall backs.

We have only about 1,000 to 1,500 computers with 400 to 800 active at any
one time. The majority of these are not doing dns queries at the same time.

Simultanious queries could be expected from our labs which operate from 7 to
11 each day for 600 to 700 computers.

The monitoring software is showing the dns servers as unavailable throughout
the night. At this time there will be a maximum of 1 person using the
internet (security). Hence, I'm puzzled about why they don't respond with
the record on the first query but do with the second query.

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> All clients & servers pointing ONLY at the DNS server(s)' LAN IP(s) for
> DNS
> in their IP settings? With *no* external/ISP DNS server IPs specified
> there?
>
> Kevin W. Gagel wrote:
>> I have our dns setup with dynamic dns enabled so each dhcp client
>> gets a record created on startup. The problem I'm seeing is my
>> primary dns will frequently return a not found error and then if you
>> simply redo the query it returns the correct results. You can redo
>> the same error within 1 second and what it could not find it can
>> suddenly return accuratly.
>>
>> I have webtrends monitoring the dns servers to see if they go down.
>> Every 2 to 15 minutes the server becomes unreachable and then
>> re-appears to the monitoring software. We've had other software
>> monitoring and it to found that the primary dns would vanish and come
>> back.
>>
>> Any pointers on where to look for this?
>
>

 

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In news:ujn4y7XpEHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl,
Kevin W. Gagel <gagel@cnc.bc.ca> made a post then I commented below
> All clients are automatically configured through dhcp which sets them
> to the primary and secondary dns servers we have internally. These
> two servers are configured with the primary as the one to forward
> changes to our ISP's dns servers and our secondary acts as a slave to
> the primary.
> So all clients using dhcp will/do have the primary and secondary dns
> servers configured as their dns servers. None of them have the
> external (ISP) servers as fall backs.
>
> We have only about 1,000 to 1,500 computers with 400 to 800 active at
> any one time. The majority of these are not doing dns queries at the
> same time.
> Simultanious queries could be expected from our labs which operate
> from 7 to 11 each day for 600 to 700 computers.
>
> The monitoring software is showing the dns servers as unavailable
> throughout the night. At this time there will be a maximum of 1
> person using the internet (security). Hence, I'm puzzled about why
> they don't respond with the record on the first query but do with the
> second query.


Are there any errors in the Event logs of the DNS servers, or any servers at
all?
Are these machines responding to queries from the Internet or are they just
used for your internal AD structure?

Try using Quest's Spotlight on Windows. Download the 30 day trial and
install it on a machine other than the DNS servers and watch the DNS server
performance thru it. You can log the stuff and find out at what time they
drop offline and coorelate that to what in your Event logs or anything else
happening on the network.

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Ace,
Thanks for the Spotlight on windows tip. I've downloaded it and run it
against a few of my servers. The DNS server in question shows only that
threads are waiting for the cpu to take care of them. So we'll be upgrading
the box very shortly. Its a strange result because that machine is not under
heavy use when those alarms get sounded. Frequently only 2% or 3% cpu usage
yet the work queue length can be as much as 20 threads waiting on the cpu.


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> In news:ujn4y7XpEHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl,
> Kevin W. Gagel <gagel@cnc.bc.ca> made a post then I commented below
>> All clients are automatically configured through dhcp which sets them
>> to the primary and secondary dns servers we have internally. These
>> two servers are configured with the primary as the one to forward
>> changes to our ISP's dns servers and our secondary acts as a slave to
>> the primary.
>> So all clients using dhcp will/do have the primary and secondary dns
>> servers configured as their dns servers. None of them have the
>> external (ISP) servers as fall backs.
>>
>> We have only about 1,000 to 1,500 computers with 400 to 800 active at
>> any one time. The majority of these are not doing dns queries at the
>> same time.
>> Simultanious queries could be expected from our labs which operate
>> from 7 to 11 each day for 600 to 700 computers.
>>
>> The monitoring software is showing the dns servers as unavailable
>> throughout the night. At this time there will be a maximum of 1
>> person using the internet (security). Hence, I'm puzzled about why
>> they don't respond with the record on the first query but do with the
>> second query.
>
>
> Are there any errors in the Event logs of the DNS servers, or any servers
> at all?
> Are these machines responding to queries from the Internet or are they
> just used for your internal AD structure?
>
> Try using Quest's Spotlight on Windows. Download the 30 day trial and
> install it on a machine other than the DNS servers and watch the DNS
> server performance thru it. You can log the stuff and find out at what
> time they drop offline and coorelate that to what in your Event logs or
> anything else happening on the network.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Ace
>
> Please direct all replies ONLY to the Microsoft public newsgroups
> so all can benefit.
>
> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees
> and confers no rights.
>
> Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSE+I, MCT, MVP
> Microsoft Windows MVP - Windows Server - Directory Services
>
> Security Is Like An Onion, It Has Layers
> HAM AND EGGS: A day's work for a chicken;
> A lifetime commitment for a pig.
> --
> =================================
>
>

 

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> Ace,
> Thanks for the Spotlight on windows tip. I've downloaded it and run it
> against a few of my servers. The DNS server in question shows only
> that threads are waiting for the cpu to take care of them. So we'll
> be upgrading the box very shortly. Its a strange result because that
> machine is not under heavy use when those alarms get sounded.
> Frequently only 2% or 3% cpu usage yet the work queue length can be
> as much as 20 threads waiting on the cpu.

Is this on all DNS servers or just the one? If just the one, and the CPU
queue length is greater than 2, it could be pointing to a CPU problem, or an
onboard L2 cache issue on the CPU.

Ace