Phenom 955 BE or Core i5 750

[OvrClkr]

Yea it's a matter of time .... Next week we should see around 10-15 more available....

 

[dirtmountain]

Some LGA1156 motherboards have sockets for a LGA1366 cooler, make sure you check which ones have the option. The i5 750 = Q9550 = P2 955. Spend a bit more money and get the i7 860 or the i7 920.

 

[mestizo73]

Some LGA1156 motherboards have sockets for a LGA1366 cooler, make sure you check which ones have the option. The i5 750 = Q9550 = P2 955. Spend a bit more money and get the i7 860 or the i7 920.

Am i reading that post correct an i5 750 is equal to a Q9550 which is equal to a p2 955? from what I have seen the i5 750 gives either of those 2 cpu's a floggin lol

 

[SpidersWeb]

I can understand that, taking advantage of 775 owners who don't want to upgrade their motherboard. Intel is the same as any other corporation, money first.

Edit: also on Newegg, the 9650 includes a free bunny! woohoo!

 

[OvrClkr]

The 750 is as equal as the Q9650 which is hilarious because the 9650 is 320 dollars

Intel should be lowering those prices as well once the i5 has saturated the market......

You know something else that is funny?

Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 @ 269.99$....... 60 dollars more expensive than the 750.....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115054

 

[OvrClkr]

Well at least you get to brag about the Bunny gift you get.......


on the other hand, that C2D overclocks very well....

 

[OvrClkr]

Would be sweet since a decent 775 mobo can be purchased for less than 100$

 

[smithereen]

Phenom II 550 is $110, OCs to around 3.6-3.9, similar clock for clock. Not quite as potent, but enough to remove any bottleneck in a non-well-clock-optimized game. For those, Phenom II 965s and Core i5s are the way to go.

Edit: I meant non-well-threading-optimized.

 

[Onus]

If you need the performance of multiple GPUs, especially gaming, go i7 on LGA1366 for three features: triple channel RAM, 2xPCIE x16, and hyperthreading. If you don't need that level of performance, particularly in games (i.e. any single video card), look at Q9550 or Phenom II for user-visibly similar performance for a lot less money. And, if you can, wait 2-3 weeks because prices will likely change a lot, for many things. If LGA775 and AMD AM3 CPU prices drop much at all, i5 = FAIL; those who need the performance will get i7 on LGA1366 if they don't want future regrets, and those who don't need that level of performance will get it much cheaper with LGA775 or AM3, leaving i5 with no reason to exist.

 

[OvrClkr]

Phenom II 550 is $110, OCs to around 3.6-3.9, similar clock for clock. Not quite as potent, but enough to remove any bottleneck in a non-well-clock-optimized game. For those, Phenom II 965s and Core i5s are the way to go.

Not really, the 550's normally can do 4.3Ghz on Air and 6.3Ghz on Ln2.... The 720's can achieve the same results but it is bit harder due to their stock clock....

http://hwbot.org/listResults.do?cpuModelId=1895&applicationId=13&filterUser=true&filterBlocked=true&limit=100

http://hwbot.org/listResults.do?cpuModelId=1771&applicationId=13&filterUser=true&filterBlocked=true&limit=100

 

[smithereen]

Don't forget, the 550s have a good probability of stably unlocking as well.

 

[smithereen]

Not really, the 550's normally can do 4.3Ghz on Air and 6.3Ghz on Ln2.... The 720's can achieve the same results but it is bit harder due to their stock clock....

What? In the link you provided, only the top 30 are above 4gHz... And CPU-Z validations are hardly representative of the norm at the best of times.

 

[The_Blood_Raven]

If you need the performance of multiple GPUs, especially gaming, go i7 on LGA1366 for three features: triple channel RAM, 2xPCIE x16, and hyperthreading. If you don't need that level of performance, particularly in games (i.e. any single video card), look at Q9550 or Phenom II for user-visibly similar performance for a lot less money. And, if you can, wait 2-3 weeks because prices will likely change a lot, for many things. If LGA775 and AMD AM3 CPU prices drop much at all, i5 = FAIL; those who need the performance will get i7 on LGA1366 if they don't want future regrets, and those who don't need that level of performance will get it much cheaper with LGA775 or AM3, leaving i5 with no reason to exist.

Except that it is the best gaming CPU for the money. It can easily handle 2 GPUs, much better than Phenom II or C2Q, and is at a very good price point. It has a great market, the high end. i7 has the elite high end while Phenom II has the low and midrange.

For budget gamers:

Phenom II + single midrange to high end card (4870 or 4890).

For high end gamers:

Core i5 or i7 LGA 1156 + 2 high end cards (2 4890s)

Ultra high end:

Core i7 920 + multi card setups (3 4890s, 2 GTX 295s)

That is how I see the market right now.

 

[tecmo34]

^ +1 The_Blood_Raven...

Here are two builds for comparison...

AM3: $1,144.86
■CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 140W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ965FBGIBOX - Retail
■MOBO: ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
■RAM: OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3RPR16004GK - Retail
■HSF: Scythe MUGEN-2 SCMG-2000 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail
■HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
■PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
■GPU: XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
■DVD: SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM
■Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
■Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM


Core i5:$ 997.90
■CPU: Intel Core i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail
■MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD4 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
■RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
■HSF: COOLER MASTER Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU ... - Retail
■HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
■PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
■GPU: XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
■DVD: SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223B - OEM
■Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
■Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

The Core i5 build is roughly $200 cheaper, which will perform the same or better than the best AM3 chip.

 

[Cryslayer80]

Except that it is the best gaming CPU for the money. It can easily handle 2 GPUs, much better than Phenom II or C2Q, and is at a very good price point. It has a great market, the high end. i7 has the elite high end while Phenom II has the low and midrange.

For budget gamers:

Phenom II + single midrange to high end card (4870 or 4890).

For high end gamers:

Core i5 or i7 LGA 1156 + 2 high end cards (2 4890s)

Ultra high end:

Core i7 920 + multi card setups (3 4890s, 2 GTX 295s)

That is how I see the market right now.

Well you see it badly. First, I5 is slower or tied with PII so I5 is not high end. I7 920 is also not ultra high end as it is reserved for 975. PII handles CF better than the I7 and saying that I7 scales better than Core2/Phenom II in CF is a lie. And yes, PII + midrange card is for budget conscious gamers, but so is I7 + midrange card. PII indeed has both low and high end, but not enthusiast end options. PII 5xx low end, 7xx & 8xx midrange, 9xx high end. Generally the I7 is a better option than PII at this moment if you do anything except gaming, but the PII also has an edge in encryption, x264 encoding and multiple ATI cards (CF). Core I5 doesn't really make any sense to me. At first I thought they would be releasing something nice for a change and get back to midrange. But it is not all that cheap and will perform much worse than I7. Also, getting the crippled 8xx versions of I7 that are also overpriced is pointless.

 

[OvrClkr]

I dont think i've ever seen a 550 owner on this site do more then 4Ghz. I have seen multiple people do 4.5+ with an E8500/E8600

Well that is because you don't know anyone that has a 550 over 4Ghz... The only reason Im stuck at 4Ghz is due to my chipset and ram... I have 3 buddies that have their 550's at 4.5Ghz/4.6Ghz and 4.2Ghz on water using DDR3 ram and 790XT's....

 

[Hellboy]

Its seems to me no matter what the benchmarks, there are some AMD bare back riders which profusely refuse to recognise that Intels new kid on the block is better than anything AMD has knocked out.

When AMD had the 64 out it beat Prescotts with a long stick, Intel people admitted AMD had a killer cpu especially when it went dual core.

Now AMD followers, lovers what ever need to grow up a bit and reliase that not all is rosey...

Will the I-Core 5 be the last nail in the AMD coffin... I hope not.

Looking forward to a long tradition of i series processors with the core i 7 being top where ever we are for a while when the 6 core comes.

AMD Chips dont seem that cheap any more...

 

[OvrClkr]

Not really, the 550's normally can do 4.3Ghz on Air and 6.3Ghz on Ln2.... The 720's can achieve the same results but it is bit harder due to their stock clock....

What? In the link you provided, only the top 30 are above 4gHz... And CPU-Z validations are hardly representative of the norm at the best of times.

This friday I will be purchasing a new board with an SB750 and I can guarantee you that I will surpass 4Ghz on air....

Here is a screenshot of a 550 (air) over 4Ghz :

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=670593

 

[dirtmountain]

I5 slower then P2? What benchmarks were you looking at? From what i've seen the I5 750 beat down the 965 in almost every test. Anyone going with a 965 over a 750 now is just a fanboi and should be banned from this site. :lol:

You're wrong, if you look at the benchmarks just from Toms you'll see that they're actually pretty close. For example at 1680X1050 and 4AA no AF single 4870x2 or single GTX285 (the most common resolution/settings/high end GPU) you'll see very little difference between the i5 750 with turbo boost and a non overclocked PII 965 in any of the games benchmarked. The biggest margin is in a game where the PII 965 is still delivering 111 fps, so the difference is pretty moot. If you can show me a list of benchmarks where the i5 750 "beats down" i'd really like to see a list.

 

[Ehsan w]

Well you see it badly. First, I5 is slower or tied with PII so I5 is not high end. I7 920 is also not ultra high end as it is reserved for 975. PII handles CF better than the I7 and saying that I7 scales better than Core2/Phenom II in CF is a lie. And yes, PII + midrange card is for budget conscious gamers, but so is I7 + midrange card. PII indeed has both low and high end, but not enthusiast end options. PII 5xx low end, 7xx & 8xx midrange, 9xx high end. Generally the I7 is a better option than PII at this moment if you do anything except gaming, but the PII also has an edge in encryption, x264 encoding and multiple ATI cards (CF). Core I5 doesn't really make any sense to me. At first I thought they would be releasing something nice for a change and get back to midrange. But it is not all that cheap and will perform much worse than I7. Also, getting the crippled 8xx versions of I7 that are also overpriced is pointless.

ehm, I'm gonna have to agree with The_Blood_Raven
+1

 

[jeffredo]

At normal gaming resolutions and quality options there isn't a dime's worth of difference. Apply the 50-60 buck difference to a better GPU (and that difference is going to grow soon). That's predicated on if gaming is your primary concern. I don't know how this programming you speak of would be affected by the CPU. If its CPU intensive, the i5 750 would most likely be the better choice.

 

[MarkG]

For example at 1680X1050 and 4AA no AF single 4870x2 or single GTX285 (the most common resolution/settings/high end GPU) you'll see very little difference between the i5 750 with turbo boost and a non overclocked PII 965 in any of the games benchmarked.

Ah, the same old 'CPU doesn't matter when you're running GPU-limited games' argument.

If you really believe that, why not save some money by buying a dual-core instead?

 

[h0devil]

^ +1 The_Blood_Raven...

Here are two builds for comparison...

AM3: $1,144.86
■CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 140W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ965FBGIBOX - Retail
■MOBO: ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
■RAM: OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3RPR16004GK - Retail
■HSF: Scythe MUGEN-2 SCMG-2000 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail
■HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
■PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
■GPU: XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
■DVD: SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM
■Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
■Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM


Core i5:$ 997.90
■CPU: Intel Core i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail
■MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD4 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
■RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH - Retail
■HSF: COOLER MASTER Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-GP 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU ... - Retail
■HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
■PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
■GPU: XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
■DVD: SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223B - OEM
■Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
■Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

The Core i5 build is roughly $200 cheaper, which will perform the same or better than the best AM3 chip.

oh god use the same for AMD and I5
not fare you add for I5 mid tower not full like what you add for AMD and
the mobo for amd you add high end FX why you didn't use GX or X shipsit
the hard drive in amd WD black not like the I5 it is SAMSUNG and
the ram you use for amd OCZ Reaper not like what you use for I5 G.SKILL
over all I5 better
the amd price 1055
MSI 790FX-GD70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130223
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231279
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197
over all I5 better

 

[OvrClkr]

IMO both builds will come up to more or less the same price if you use the same components....

The i5 is still a better buy regardless, not that the 965 is inferior in any way... Just a smarter buy....

 

[OvrClkr]

They should, soon.... But I doubt again that peeps will go with the 965 over the 750 just cause they saved 60 bucks.....As far as the new benchmarks that are running all over the net, it will be hard for AMD to convince the public that the 965 is a better buy overall compared to the 750....