Phenom Exposed! Shipping with flaky 3rd cores.

[apache_lives]

I have zero problems with my 9600BE so far. No BSOD. No bugs. No stability problems. OCed at 2.7 it runs like a champ. I have built 6 Phenom media PCs for folks so far and none of them have any problems. 3 of them are OCed to 2.7 for gaming as well.

The problem with the 2nd core you are seeing is not nearly as bad as people here are making it out to be. The phenom is a new chip and the only ones buying it are not main stream. Most people never even hear about it and nobody is realy building Phenom systems in mass. Its like the release of any CPU. There will be a defect in a few. I still see tons of Intel buyers complaining every day about bad cores ect.. Any vender will tell you the amount of defecto returns for the Phenom is well within the norm.

I am sorry but I am rofl at this coolaid party here. Call any major vender around. There is nothing out of the ordinary with Phenoms. They are not showing up at peoples doors in mass DOA. No AMDs are. Gossip is not healthy. I expect better from a forum full of guys that probably spend more time on the PC then most.

Any evidence to show for that one?

 

[pausert20]

Yeah, I have not heard of the issue of Tons of Intel Buyers complaining of bad cores. I think I will throw the BS flag on that one. 😀

 

[endyen]

Yeah, I have not heard of the issue of Tons of Intel Buyers complaining of bad cores. I think I will throw the BS flag on that one. 😀

What, only tons?
There are a lot of ways for a newb to screw up. The most common one for multicores is expecting your old windows install to automaticly see the new core. Works going from dual to quad as well.
Not only will there always be people who screw up, but they will always lay blame where it just doesn't belong.

 

[mngdew]

I have a question. Why is it always core 2? There must really be something wrong if they managed to always stuff up the same core in every die.

Intel conspiracy!

It's because Intel owns the name Core2.
Intel is forcing AMD with copyright, and AMD has to sabotage Phenom's "core2" until they pay Intel or come up with another term for "core2"

 

[zenmaster]

Yeah, I have not heard of the issue of Tons of Intel Buyers complaining of bad cores. I think I will throw the BS flag on that one. 😀

I would call a BS Flag on his entire post :>

 

[apache_lives]

I would call a BS Flag on his entire post :>

out of interest, wheres the evidence of others with the "Core2" issue in the phenom

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

Apache, is that the BSoD edition?

 

[apache_lives]

Apache, is that the BSoD edition?

http://img.tomshardware.com/forum/uk/images/mesdiscussions-17017.jpg

You got it 😀

 

[jbj190]

You got it 😀

Not blue enough.

 

[apache_lives]

Not blue enough.

yeah its like false advertising, more blue then whats advertised.

25% more blue then the competiton!

 

[randomizer]

SOD that (that was so bad it was painful to say :|)

 

[ragemonkey]

so funny its kinda sad

 

[rallyimprezive]

I am sorry but I am rofl at this coolaid party here. Call any major vender around. There is nothing out of the ordinary with Phenoms. They are not showing up at peoples doors in mass DOA. No AMDs are. Gossip is not healthy. I expect better from a forum full of guys that probably spend more time on the PC then most.

Exactly....so we are more likely to expose a problem like this than the mainstream users who dont even know what overclocking is.

I will help you take your foot out of your mouth if you like.

 

[rhysee]

Exactly....so we are more likely to expose a problem like this than the mainstream users who dont even know what overclocking is.

I will help you take your foot out of your mouth if you like.

I ,ll grab the other leg , I think he has both feet in his mouth!..

AMD = Another Major Disaster ?!!? or A Muddled Die

 

[rallyimprezive]

Almost a Mediocre Design

 

[Jim_L9]

Another Mass of Diah...

 

[ragemonkey]

Exactly....so we are more likely to expose a problem like this than the mainstream users who dont even know what overclocking is.

I will help you take your foot out of your mouth if you like.

I never at any point said that *every* Phenom that shipt has this problem. What I have said, and what I am hoping to prove is... (1) That some, or many, Phenoms are shipping with the 3rd core (logical core 2) issue... and (2) This issue, and not the TLB errata, is the real issue as to why Phenoms at or above 2.4 ghz were scrapped.

As a Systems Administrator, I have put togther 6 Phenom rigs for work so far. In my professional experience, I have had to return 2 Phenom chips to our local parts supplier thus far due to them not running stable at stock speeds... both of which were 9600s (non-BE)

For work I have purchased a total of 3 9500s, and 3 9600s. For myself I got the one 9600BE. The BE is on RMA currently, and should have a new one by the end of the week. I will thoroughly test that one when it arrives.

Curiosity got the best of me, and I decided to play with these systems before they got deployed, so for these systems I could play with...

The best luck I've had so far, overclocking or otherwise, has been with (suprisingly) the 9500s. One (a 9500) I shipped to another site right away so I never played with it, but has been running great at stock. Out of the other 2, so far I have taken one 9500 to 2.5ghz stable, and another to 2.62 ghz stable (only 2 hours worth of stability tests... I can't spend all day on these) while one *working* 9600 could not even reach 2.4, while the other 2 would BSoD under normal operation.

My counterpart at another site has a 9600BE which he cannot overclock at all, although it seems to run fine at stock speeds... currently.

So in terms of this "kool aid" reference, my professional experience has shown that buying a Phenom is -in fact- a bit of a gamble, and your mileage will most definately vary.

 

[pile]

I have a Phenom 9500@2607 It runs great. It sounds like to me some people got a few bad chips and should do a RMA. Mine runs way better than stock. I have had no problems with my Phenom

 

[rhysee]

Shocking .. not to mention the great overclockability for Phenoms .. lol..

My 6420 overclocks 60% 2.133Ghz --3.3ishGhz without any volt changes..

GO INTEL!!!

 

[caamsa]

Those of you who are making comments about the Phenom without actually owning one and testing it out yourselves are just repeating verbatim what you have heard or read on the internet.

I would not purchase one of these chips but I certainly will not condemn it. Does anyone have numbers regarding its actual failure rate? One bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch.

 

[rhysee]

No I agree , but true numbers are not out yet about flakey cores , etc..
But over the many reviews I have read on BE Phenoms overclocking / testsis/has not shown any major clock increases .. IE more than at least 30% above stock.

 

[brains2200]

Got one with a bad core.
Get over it

I got a one with a bad motherboard on one of my phenoms.

Called RMA

Visit the forums.(ie xtremesystems lots of pages not many people crying) There are lots of people playing with this new processor.
It is young and got some bugs. But it is also damn fast and damn cheap.

My phenom makes crysis fly. For a good price. Want a rock solid system buy Core2. You know that when making the buy.

If you want to play with new tech buy a Phenom. Or wait and buy intels chip once they bring it out that is still delayed.

Peace,
All my cores are strong. Test the cores...Like you test ram.. See if they are good.

 

[apache_lives]

Got one with a bad core.
Get over it

I got a one with a bad motherboard on one of my phenoms.

Called RMA

Visit the forums.(ie xtremesystems lots of pages not many people crying) There are lots of people playing with this new processor.
It is young and got some bugs. But it is also damn fast and damn cheap.

My phenom makes crysis fly. For a good price. Want a rock solid system buy Core2. You know that when making the buy.

If you want to play with new tech buy a Phenom. Or wait and buy intels chip once they bring it out that is still delayed.

Peace,
All my cores are strong. Test the cores...Like you test ram.. See if they are good.

Hmmmm, since most of us here own an Intel Core 2 series processor, how many of us actually had to RA the processor because of a faulty core?..... no one? precisely. Luck of the draw to get a phenom to reach 3ghz? every desktop intel processor for more then 3 years has been able to break the 3ghz, if you cant get the lowest intel quad to hit 3ghz your doing something wrong, its so simple.

AMD has changed, they arnt like the old days where your socket7 or socket A motherboard will live for another day with a cheap cpu upgrade to breath more life into your system, they fudd'd us around with socket 940, 754, 939, and 940 and now we most likely need new boards for the Phenom - good one AMD.

On the bright side, im kinda glad ATI was able to make some video cards that actually compete - couple of my mates bought 3850's so thats a good sign, one day AMD/ATI will take the crown again....

 

[ragemonkey]

Concerning 939 and 754, what was AMD supposed to do? The standard was moving towards DDR2, and the existing arch couldn't handle it. I suppose they could've stuck with those platforms a while longer... but the longer people are allowed to buy something thats outdated will just make them more angry that it can't be updated.

 

[kellytm3]

Got one with a bad core.
Get over it

I got a one with a bad motherboard on one of my phenoms.

Called RMA

Visit the forums.(ie xtremesystems lots of pages not many people crying) There are lots of people playing with this new processor.
It is young and got some bugs. But it is also damn fast and damn cheap.

My phenom makes crysis fly. For a good price. Want a rock solid system buy Core2. You know that when making the buy.

If you want to play with new tech buy a Phenom. Or wait and buy intels chip once they bring it out that is still delayed.

Peace,
All my cores are strong. Test the cores...Like you test ram.. See if they are good.

By all means tell us how"damn fast" you are refering to,regarding your Phenom?Also,if your hitting 3Ghz with yours(and stable)post us some screen shots of it with CPUZ.Intel is only delaying their SUPERIOR product because AMD and their line of welfare based cpu's cant compete with Intel's almost 2 year old technology.