News Pre-Launch 'Jedi: Survivor' Eats 21GB of VRAM, Struggles on RTX 4090

[Deleted member 2838871]

I also will get this game free for buying my 7900X. Hogwarts Legacy plays great at 4K on my rig, so hopefully the same will hold true on this 7900X, RTX 4080, 32GB Dram PC. Apparently there will be a release day patch that might also clean things up from the pre-release version woes.

My GTX 1060 read this post and cried.

I feel for ya.

 

[Sluggotg]

Since the 80s, many game companies have made "Lazy Ports" from one platform to another. I always hated Lazy ports from the Atari ST to the Amiga. (No use of the Hardware Acceleration or expanded color palette etc). The console market has been huge comparted to the PC market since then too. Ports from Consoles to PCs are frequently garbage and this looks like another one. I collect computer and Consoles. I have all the latest Consoles. I just prefer gaming on my Computers. This kind of performance level on a 4090 video card is Embarrassing. I hope they find the issues but I will stay away from it for a year or two.

 

[Deleted member 2838871]

Since the 80s, many game companies have made "Lazy Ports" from one platform to another. I always hated Lazy ports from the Atari ST to the Amiga. (No use of the Hardware Acceleration or expanded color palette etc). The console market has been huge comparted to the PC market since then too. Ports from Consoles to PCs are frequently garbage and this looks like another one. I collect computer and Consoles. I have all the latest Consoles. I just prefer gaming on my Computers. This kind of performance level on a 4090 video card is Embarrassing. I hope they find the issues but I will stay away from it for a year or two.

I hear ya man. I got my start in PC gaming on an Amiga 500 in 1988... Dad got me one for my 14th birthday.

I've got a Switch and a Series X... but also prefer gaming on PC. Both consoles are hooked to my PC display so I just swap as desired.

Had no plans to buy Jedi Survivor... but saw last night that it was free to Ryzen purchasers... and actually contacted NewEgg this morning for the code and got it. So I'll check it out since it was free.

 

[RedBear87]

It's less of an optimization problem and more of Nvidia being an utter cheapscake with their contemptible VRAM rationing. No new card should have less than 16gb VRAM these days, let alone a 700-plus dollar one.

Did you miss the part where the RTX 4090 (24GB VRAM) is struggling with this game? It's in the article's title, you know. Nvidia is indeed being greedy with their VRAM in this generation, it gets worse as one falls down in the tier list, but the issue in this specific game looks completely unrelated. It's just a crappy, unoptimized, game.

 

[blppt]

My GTX 1060 read this post and cried.

Your GTX 1060 saw this article and crashed.

 

[Dr3ams]

I refuse to let a game pressure me into an expensive upgrade. If it won't run on my RX 6700 XT, then I'll move on.

 

[Makaveli]

Star Wars Jedi: Survivor is a pretty clunky title. Is this game based on some old sci fi novel, or something?

I think its based on some movie about space wizards.

 

[drivinfast247]

I think its based on some movie about space wizards.

Wizards or lizards?


Anyways, it'll patched and fixed and people will have all but forgotten about these problems in no time. Just like always.

I enjoyed the first game and will more than likely grab this on either on PS5 or PC.

 

[sitehostplus]

My GTX 1060 read this post and cried.

I just bought a 4080, and it's a corner weeping right about now. You're not alone. 🤗

 

[sitehostplus]

I refuse to let a game pressure me into an expensive upgrade. If it won't run on my RX 6700 XT, then I'll move on.

The only reason I bought a 4080 was because the IGP in my 7950x3d BSOD'd and almost melted down playing 'Command and Conquer: Red Alert 2' (verified through Who Crashed logs). 🤣🤣

I basically spent an additional $1,200 to save my $2,000 investment from premature death.

Yet gamers will purchase this crap game and cry afterwards that their PC is struggling.

I got it for free because I purchased a Ryzen 7950x3d. Am I allowed to complain about it struggling with my 4080 card?

 

[neojack]

I bet the performance is poor because of the abusive DRM like denuvo

 

[razor512]

Most gamers have 8GB of VRAM, next those with more and then those with 6GB. The most common GPU is the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060. source

nVidia basically control most of the market. Jon Peddie Research






source

Why would a developer create a game that most gamers can't run well.

While Nvidia represents a massive part of the PC gaming market, when it comes to a subset of the gaming industry that is able to run modern graphically demanding AAA titles, the console industry is significantly larger. This overall means that virtually all of the development time will be focused on the console hardware.
Meaning with these current games, the developers were squarely focused on specs like the following.

• CPU: 8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.5GHz (variable frequency)
• GPU: 10.28 TFLOPs, 36 CUs at 2.23GHz (variable frequency)
• GPU Architecture: Custom RDNA 2
• Memory/Interface: 16GB GDDR6/256-bit
• Memory Bandwidth: 448GB/s
• Internal Storage: Custom 825GB SSD
• IO Throughput: 5.5GB/s (Raw)

Since all of the hardware is identical, they can optimize in ways that they can't on the PC, for example, if you know exactly how the SSD, performs, then you can tailor exactly how much you are loading into RAM, since you can be confident that as the user interacts with the game, you can be confident that exactly whatever is needed, will be loaded just in time.

On the PC, they need to ensure that if a user starts the game, that their entry level SATA SSD will not lead to issues beyond a level taking a little longer to load.

They also have limits in what they can do, e.g., if they spent millions developing the assets that could take advantage of 448GB/s VRAM speeds, and probably around ~12GB available for the GPU to use, then they aren't going to redo a substantial portion of that development work, thus you are likely to just get then downscaling textures and other cheaper solutions, and if VRAM is lacking, the go-to fix seems to be just not loading any other textures, and simply leaving in their place, blurry placeholders, thus avoiding the massive performance hit that happens if the video card starts to allocate system memory to supplement the VRAM.
While this game seems to be an example of a bad port, typical console ports, it is unlikely that we well see optimization in the way of graphically demanding AAA titles being able to make due with 8GB of VRAM.

 

[sitehostplus]

Thanks to you guys, I'm now downloading this game (you alerted me to the being for free because of my recent CPU purchase). The EA app estimates about 13 hours to graphics card armageddeon in this house. 🤣

Yes, I have slow internet, but it's also like 130Gb in size.

 

[sitehostplus]

I bet the performance is poor because of the abusive DRM like denuvo

No, it's poor because it's freaking huge (130gb download). Bloatware at its finest. 😁

 

[razor512]

No, it's poor because it's freaking huge (130gb download). Bloatware at its finest. 😁

File size is not much of an issue when it comes to performance. For example, ARK survival evolved has gotten to a rather moderate size. but if you have 10-12GB of VRAM, it will work great, but 8GB and if you have a large base or lots of tamed dinosaurs, then you will start to run into some VRAM issues, though that is a risk when a game allows the player to build as much as they want.

 

[Deleted member 2838871]

Thanks to you guys, I'm now downloading this game (you alerted me to the being for free because of my recent CPU purchase). The EA app estimates about 13 hours to graphics card armageddeon in this house. 🤣

Yes, I have slow internet, but it's also like 130Gb in size.

You got your game code from AMD rewards already? Still waiting on mine.

No, it's poor because it's freaking huge (130gb download). Bloatware at its finest. 😁

Glad I have 16TB SSD's.

 

[KyaraM]

I find these things particularly annoying. The amount of game releases that aren't fully optimized is getting to be a bit of a joke. Not only a joke but a running theme.

Game Devs release this tripe, charge mega bucks ( I remember a time not so long ago where PC games were always cheaper than the console variants) and then use us as guineapigs.

They then spend months trying to fix all the issues that have a risen from poorly executed release.

On the other hand, even with optimizations hardware requirements are steep in this.

100% agree with you. On the upside, my 4070Ti had few issues earlier after the Day 1 patch on Coruscant, which seems to be one of the worst regions. 76FPS 1440p all ultra with RT, though I think FSR was on by default; didn't check that throughly. Still, never dropped below 41FPS at least. GameStar reported 47FPS with 30FPS lows on a 4090 earlier, also 1440p. Will try again during lunch break making sure FSR is off. Can let you know what FPS I get then if you are interested.

EDIT: Hmm, seems my e-cores were used at times; they shouldn't get to 99%. Will have to set priorities in Taskmanager later and take them out it seems.

It's less of an optimization problem and more of Nvidia being an utter cheapscake with their contemptible VRAM rationing. No new card should have less than 16gb VRAM these days, let alone a 700-plus dollar one.

Ah yes, and they said not a long time ago, 640 KB of RAM was more than anybody would ever need!!
Lo and behold, everybody who agreed was proven wrong....big time.

AMD was right stating, merely 4 weeks ago, that the lack of VRAM will bite Nvidia and (its shills') in its shortsighted but very greedy butt!!

I have an idea: Get used to it!!!

You three need reading comprehension bad. Again for the people in the back, this is a 4090 with 24GB struggling, not some 8GB card. You know, the currently strongest consumer GPU on the planet, with the most VRAM any consumer card has, together with the 7900XTX? It got absolutely jack to do with VRAM. And all with PC games lately being horribly optimized, which people like you love to deny. Use your brains just once, please. This is embarrassing.

Btw, even the console version has issues.

dear God how am I supposed to run this on my rx 550 4gb and yes I know I need an upgrade

You never were. Minimum requirements RX580/GTX 1070. This has been known for months now...

My GTX 1060 read this post and cried.

Your 1060 never even met minimum specs. Not sure why you complain, it was known for ages tbh.

I bet the performance is poor because of the abusive DRM like denuvo

Yeah, pretty sure that plays a part, like witb the TLoU port thaf reportedly plays much better cracked and with Denuvo removed...

 

[Deleted member 2838871]

this is a 4090 with 24GB struggling, not some 8GB card. You know, the currently strongest consumer GPU on the planet, with the most VRAM any consumer card has, together with the 7900XTX? It got absolutely jack to do with VRAM. And all with PC games lately being horribly optimized, which people like you love to deny. Use your brains just once, please. This is embarrassing.

Like I said... I'm really interested in seeing if this game can bring my PC to it's knees... because mine has NO PROBLEMS AT ALL with Hogwart's and Last of Us... capping 60 fps in 4K Ultra without any DLSS.

That being said... will check it out after work today. Still waiting on the download code from AMD.

 

[Colif]

Like I said... I'm really interested in seeing if this game can bring my PC to it's knees... because mine has NO PROBLEMS AT ALL with Hogwart's and Last of Us... capping 60 fps in 4K Ultra without any DLSS.

game doesn't use enough cores but I don't know if that will help reduce memory usage.

More games to come that use more vram as the devs swap from PS4 with 8gb to PS5 with up to 16gb.
The usage of this needs to be reduced in some aspects to work on console as they only have 16gb ram.

 

[Deleted member 2838871]

game doesn't use enough cores but I don't know if that will help reduce memory usage.

More games to come that use more vram as the devs swap from PS4 with 8gb to PS5 with up to 16gb.
The usage of this needs to be reduced in some aspects to work on console as they only have 16gb ram.

Ironically I just watched that video too. Just found his channel the other day and subscribed.

Will follow up with my numbers later tonight if AMD ever sends me the code. I'm definitely not in support of these poorly optimized titles... it really is a shame that even the best hardware can't run these games optimally.

I definitely wouldn't pay money for it based on all the reviews I've seen.

 

[KyaraM]

Like I said... I'm really interested in seeing if this game can bring my PC to it's knees... because mine has NO PROBLEMS AT ALL with Hogwart's and Last of Us... capping 60 fps in 4K Ultra without any DLSS.

That being said... will check it out after work today. Still waiting on the download code from AMD.

Well, Reddit seems to confirm my impression that the Day 1 patch helped:
link


There is also a video linked a bit further down I have yet to watch that compairs a 1660Ti, and 3070Ti, the latter with different presets and resolutions including 4K.

 

[Tac 25]

good thing I'm not a Star Wars fan.

 

[nerdvous]

I refuse to let a game pressure me into an expensive upgrade. If it won't run on my RX 6700 XT, then I'll move on.

The problem in this case seems to be that even if you were to upgrade to cutting edge hardware, it will still run like bantha poodoo

Embarrassing really to go ahead with the launch. The day one patch apparently improves things, but not by enough:

Star Wars Jedi: Survivor system requirements, PC performance, and best settings to use

Star Wars Jedi: Survivor is out on PC, sadly in a bit of a technical mess. Here's how it currently performs, and the best settings (or least worst) to play on.

www.rockpapershotgun.com

 

[Colif]

One perspective: It gives you something to look forward to in the future when you do have a PC that can run it at max
Other perspective: It needs more work to be ready for launch.

Its the new crysis, top of line PC can't run this above 60fps in 4k. Maybe in a few years you can.
Does everything have to be playable now at max settings?

 

[drivinfast247]

You got your game code from AMD rewards already? Still waiting on mine.



Glad I have 16TB SSD's.

16tb SSD? Dang! That had to cost you a small fortune!