President for a day, or a week

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"Jay Williams" <Voodoo141@buggeroffspammercox.net> wrote:

>First things first. Having survived Ivan, the first thing you want is for
>someone to fly a C-130 over and kick a pallet of bottled water

Doesn't the military have those humongeous rubber bladders which can
contain 10s of thousands of gallons of liquid?
I wonderd why the couldn't use those and drop them at strategic
locations around the city.

-=tom=-

 

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"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:

>
>"Tom Orle"
>> You're already paying for a $270million bridge going to an uninhabited
>> island in Alaska.
>
>Oh no... you're wrong. That island is not uninhabited, Gravina Island has a
>population of around 50.
>
>It will connect to the megalopolis of Ketchikan (pop. 8,000). The bridge
>will be nearly as long as the Golden Gate and higher than the Brooklyn
>Bridge. They really need it because they get really tired paddling their
>canoes across in the summer.
>
>Dallas
>

Wow - are the 4 lanes of the proposed bridge enough to handle all that
traffic?

Seriously though - I just quoted a news report where they did say it
was uninhabited. And you know how reliable these reports are;-(

I hadn't even heard of that pork project passed in the bill.

-=tom=-

 

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"William" <alone@home.com> wrote in message
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> "Chris Curtis" <chris@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:C8qdnZ2dnZ3x2oLFnZ2dnR7Yhd6dnZ2dRVnyqp2dnZ0@pipex.net...
>> "Scott Stevenson" <almostfm.AMSPAY@UCKSAY.comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:43192ec5.667586875@news.giganews.com...
>>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:20:31 +1000, "John Ward"
>>> <johnrmward@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd also want to know what it would take to rebuild the levees to
>>> withstand a Cat V storm.
>>>
>>
>> Indeed! Presumably from a political standpoint, cost wouldn't enter into
>> the argument now.
>> If it is possible it should be done unless you want a repeat episode.
>> Even us Brits managed to build the Thames Barrier many years ago at
>> significant cost and while it has been raised a few times it has never
>> had to deal with the scenario for which it was built. The consequences of
>> a flooded London made it a 'no brainer'.
>>
>> Chris
>
> Chris I agree its a no brainer, but when you have a "no brainer" running
> things then we have a problem...sorry for some politics
> read
> http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313
>
> California better take a look at their situation because there will be no
> warning like a hurricane
> Bill

Good site. Thanks Bill

Chris

 

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and I think you're right!

"David Wilson-Okamura" <David Wilson-Okamura@forums.simradar.com> wrote in
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>
> ___| reply |__________________________________________________________
> If I'd been Bush after the tsunami, I'd have fired whoever came up
> with the "it takes time to get the logistics in place" excuse and told
> the
> next guy in line that I wanted a C-130 full of water and another full
> of
> food and some guy in the back throwing it out the door in six hours or
> he
> was going to be the guy in back in 12 hours....
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
>
> My first prediction, based on what happened to the former CIA director
> George Tenet: a year from now, "whoever came up with the 'it takes time
> to get the logistics in place' excuse" will get the presidential Medal
> of Freedom, for his service to the people of Louisiana and Mississippi.
>
>
> My second prediction, based on the big give-away that rolled through
> both houses of Congress this summer: in six weeks, someone is going to
> sponsor a second major energy bill, which will offer additional tax
> incentives to oil companies that upgrade or expand their existing
> refineries. We, the taxpayers, will make this sacrifice "for the sake
> of national security."
>
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I'll send it around, thanks!!! Unfortunately, most of the vacation homes in
Pensacola were on the beach or Perdido Key and most of those are not fit for
habitation yet... The few on the beach that were, were flattened again by
Dennis. I don't know about Perdido Key.

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> Jay check this out
> http://www.vacationrentalsforfamilies.com/pressreleasesep1.html
>
>
>
> "Jay Williams" <Voodoo141@buggeroffspammercox.net> wrote in message
> news:HtaSe.8422$dm.755@lakeread03...
>> First things first. Having survived Ivan, the first thing you want is
>> for someone to fly a C-130 over and kick a pallet of bottled water and a
>> pallet of food (actually, the MRE's were quite good) out of the back.
>> Ice is nice too. If they get time, a return trip with a pallet of
>> generators and window-unit air conditioners would REALLY be special, but
>> that's asking too much.
>>
>> I'm tired of hearing about the problem of delivery when we've had the
>> capability to make low level parachute drops from the beginning... And
>> there's still enough open and unused interstate to drop it off... Hell,
>> Canal Street (counting the bus lanes) is over ten lanes wide... If you
>> want to be really careful, drop some leaflets first "Where dropping a
>> bunch of food and water, if it hits you it's gonna hurt. Get everyone to
>> move to the side." If I'd been Bush after the tsunami, I'd have fired
>> whoever came up with the "it takes time to get the logistics in place"
>> excuse and told the next guy in line that I wanted a C-130 full of water
>> and another full of food and some guy in the back throwing it out the
>> door in six hours or he was going to be the guy in back in 12 hours....
>>
>> BTW - anyone know how much runway they got open at Moisant (now "Louis
>> Armstrong Int'l") I got a friend with a plane.... Maybe with help I
>> could find the rest of the old Charity Hospital Ambulance crew from the
>> early 80's... "I'm putting the band back together... we're on a mission
>> from God".
>>
>> "John Ward" <johnrmward@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:4317ef2b$0$30086$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> It's far too easy to be wise after the event.
>>>
>>> So here's a pro-active challenge - what should be done to address the
>>> aftermath of Katrina, including all aviation matters?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ward
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

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In article <df9ct1$ck$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
chris@mwapartnershipNOSPAM.co.uk says...
> Maybe time for Bush to finally sign the Kyoyo Treaty and reduce emissions
> leading to global warming!!

Wrong.

> The hurricans etc are getting worse by the month
> around the Gulf of Mexico.

And wrong. Try looking at the history of hurricanes beyond just the
past decade or two.

> Its a pity we haven't invented a giant
> 'waterpistol' or 'squirtgun' aircraft that can jettison the rising tides
> into outerspace or is that being too sci-fi orientated.
>
> Ibby
>
> "John Ward" <johnrmward@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4317ef2b$0$30086$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > Hi All,
> >
> > It's far too easy to be wise after the event.
> >
> > So here's a pro-active challenge - what should be done to address the
> > aftermath of Katrina, including all aviation matters?
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ward
> >
>
>
>

 

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> Maybe time for Bush to finally sign the Kyoyo Treaty and reduce
emissions
> leading to global warming!!

Wrong.

> The hurricans etc are getting worse by the month
> around the Gulf of Mexico.

And wrong. Try looking at the history of hurricanes beyond just the
past decade or two.

_____________________________________________________________________
I don't think anyone here believes that the president can create
hurricanes. But something is changing, and a brand-new study of
long-term trends confirms it. If you've been reading the newspaper or
listening to the radio lately, you may know that Kerry Emanuel, a
professor of atmospheric science at MIT, has just published an article
in the journal Nature, which shows that the duration and force of
hurricanes have increased 50% over the last three decades. Google
"Kerry Emanuel" for details; or read the "executive summary" at
National Geographic:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0804_050804_hurricanewa
rming.html

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In article <Yn2Se.90711$gB.60083@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>, "Rick
@midsouth.rr.com>" <rglisson<nospam> says...
> Wait a minute... why should the rest of us pay for levee improvements,
> via
> our Federal Income Tax, in a city we don't live in?
> And for one built below sea level? If people and businesses wanted to
> live
> and do business there then should it not fall upon them to protect
> themselves?
> Funny that New Orleans could find the money to build a Superdome,
> convention
> center and a host of other magnificent facilities - yet were not able to
> tax
> themselves for proper levee maintenance! The finger pointing needs to
> start
> with the locally elected officials, not our Federal Government. Bush
> bashing is way off topic in this forum and a cheap shot to boot.

Rick, it is a shame that some people will use any occasion to bash Bush.
According some some (see Ibby's post) even the *hurricane itself* is
Bush's fault. Sigh.

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David Wilson-Okamura wrote:
> "Kerry Emanuel" for details; or read the "executive summary" at
> National Geographic:
> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0804_050804_hurricanewa


Don't try and confuse us with facts David...........

 

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The power of human beings pale into insignificance compared to the
forces of nature. In the past humans attributed natural disasters to
God. In this age of secularism blame must be attributed to human
beings. George Bush is arguably the most powerful human being on
earth, so it is natural to blame him. In a more religious age the
blame would go to God
-Greg

 

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John Black

I didn't blame Bush directly. The original question was what should we do
in the aftermath. I am not a member of the 'Greenparty' and don't go
overboard on recycling etc but one has to admit our climate IS changing for
the worse. There does seem to be more severe weather hitting the south east
coast of US lately i.e. Miami coastline - why is this?

Bush is only one member of an Administration but this present government put
economics before passing any Bill when he catagoritly refused to take
measures to reduce carbon emissions from road vehicles or industry (which
looks increasingly like the culprit for global warming). If something isn't
done it may well be too late.

Ibby

> Rick, it is a shame that some people will use any occasion to bash Bush.
> According some some (see Ibby's post) even the *hurricane itself* is
> Bush's fault. Sigh.
>
> John Black

 

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Probably cause most security forces are in far off places fighting a war!

Ibby

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> "John Ward"
>> So here's a pro-active challenge - what should be done to address the
>> aftermath of Katrina, including all aviation matters?
>
> The administration clearly does not understand the importance of moving
> security forces quickly into urban disasters. Baghdad after the fall of
> Sadam and New Orleans day five look pretty much the same to me.
>
>
> Dallas
>
>

 

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I really don't mean to get into a flameout with you, but I haven't the
slightest idea what you are talking about. I made a comment attacking
nobody and you call it bullshit. Obvioulsy you disagree. As a courtesy,
if you are able, please be a bit more articulate. Thank you.
Greg

 

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aakermit wrote:
> The power of human beings pale into insignificance compared to the
> forces of nature. In the past humans attributed natural disasters to
> God. In this age of secularism blame must be attributed to human
> beings. George Bush is arguably the most powerful human being on
> earth, so it is natural to blame him. In a more religious age the
> blame would go to God


You're not comparing apples to apples....

More like apples to bullshit - which is which being another very subjective
subject........

 

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Ok, I see your point. The use of the term "bullshit" threw me. I am
not a prude, but the word has a somewhat inflamatory connotation.
Perhaps "apples to oranges" would have better for me.

I in no way believe that religion, or the religious age constitutes a
superior form of thought. I also do not believe that George Bush is
anywhere close to God (favorite deity). My point is that when a
cataclysmic event occurs, be it the Great Flood or Hurricane Katrina,
humans look to a "higher power" for an explanation or cause. I refer
to George Bush as a higher power in the sense that he is President and
as Harry Truman so aptly said, "the buck stops here". People are
frustrated because they can't control the situation. Instead of saying
"why did God allow this to happen?", they say "why did George Bush
allow this to happen?"
-Greg

 

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I think I see where this is going. I am trying not to make a judgement
about George Bush other than he is the obvious one to blame. He
rejected the Kyoto treaty, the temperature of the ocean increased, and
Hurricane Katrina ocurred. Ergo George Bush is God. (pre-cataclysm
illogic) As to post-cataclysm logic, people see and believe what they
want to believe. The first major poll just out shows that 46% think
Bush is to blame and 47% thinmk he is not to blame. Ironically, these
are about the same percentages of opinion about Bush before the
cataclysm.

 

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John Ward wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> It's far too easy to be wise after the event.
>
> So here's a pro-active challenge - what should be done to address the
> aftermath of Katrina, including all aviation matters?

I think everything that needs to be done is being done:

President Bush toured the area Friday, showed reporters bars where he
used to drink when he was in college, and told them Trent Lott is
building a new house and it's going to be a doozy and he can't wait to
sit on the porch.

I don't know about you, but I'm greatly relieved.



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David Wilson-Okamura wrote:
> ___| reply |__________________________________________________________
>
>
>>Maybe time for Bush to finally sign the Kyoyo Treaty and reduce
>
> emissions
>
>>leading to global warming!!
>
>
> Wrong.
>
>
>>The hurricans etc are getting worse by the month
>>around the Gulf of Mexico.
>
>
> And wrong. Try looking at the history of hurricanes beyond just the
> past decade or two.
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
> I don't think anyone here believes that the president can create
> hurricanes. But something is changing, and a brand-new study of
> long-term trends confirms it. If you've been reading the newspaper or
> listening to the radio lately, you may know that Kerry Emanuel, a
> professor of atmospheric science at MIT, has just published an article
> in the journal Nature, which shows that the duration and force of
> hurricanes have increased 50% over the last three decades. Google
> "Kerry Emanuel" for details; or read the "executive summary" at
> National Geographic:
> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0804_050804_hurricanewa
> rming.html

I haven't read the study, and I really don't have an opinion, but just
because some guy publishes a paper....I mean, use Google yourself and
find that every scientist has his own opinion, report, paper, and
"proof" about everything. Just because one guy says one thing doesn't
mean much, sorry.



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I haven't read the study, and I really don't have an opinion, but just

because some guy publishes a paper....I mean, use Google yourself and
find that every scientist has his own opinion, report, paper, and
"proof" about everything. Just because one guy says one thing doesn't
mean much, sorry.

_____________________________________________________________________

You don't seem to understand how academic science works. I'm not a
scientist, but I do know something about academic publishing. Here's
the process: you submit your article for something called "peer
review." "Nature" is the premier journal in American science, so the
people who do peer review for it are the very best people in their
field. Now, if it gets published in "Nature," it doesn't guarantee it's
true. It does mean, though, that it's been subjected to the very
highest levels of scientific scrutiny.

You can ignore it if you like. But don't hide behind "every scientist
has his own opinion." Some studies meet the test of peer review, others
don't. I don't believe everything I read on the internet, and I hope
you don't either. The question is how to discern the truth among so
many conflicting opinions. Some people look at the variety of opinions,
throw up their hands, and decide to believe whatever is convenient.
That's irresponsible. The alternative is to weigh the source of the
information and the evidence on which it's based -- and let the chips
fall where they may. You can still make mistakes that way, so if you
have a better method, let me know. But the alternative is far, far
worse, because it's not even trying to find out the truth -- it's just
looking for confirmation of its own prejudices.

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Rick @midsouth.rr.com>
> Wait a minute... why should the rest of us pay for levee improvements,
> via
> our Federal Income Tax, in a city we don't live in?
> And for one built below sea level? If people and businesses wanted to
> live
> and do business there then should it not fall upon them to protect
> themselves?
> Funny that New Orleans could find the money to build a Superdome,
> convention
> center and a host of other magnificent facilities - yet were not able to
> tax
> themselves for proper levee maintenance!

Try learning facts before you post.



John

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Tom Orle wrote:

> I hadn't even heard of that pork project passed in the bill.

Almost no one has, except maybe those of us who read overseas pubs like
the Economist and the BBC.

That's America's "liberal media" for ya! You know, the one that
pork-barrelers are always complaining about.



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John Black wrote:

> Rick, it is a shame that some people will use any occasion to bash Bush.

It's a shame people used any occasion to Clinton Bash, too.

Or was everything, including 9/11, really all his fault?



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aakermit wrote:
> I believe there is too much reliance on Federal Government to solve all
> problems. New Orleans sits under sea level and is surrounded by water,
> yet the City of New Orleans had no coordinated evacuation plan in
> place. When the storm approached their plan was "get out as fast as
> you can". What kind of plan is that? Every major city in the US
> should have a disaster plan in place and the citizens should take the
> time and effort to become familiar with the plan.

Yup. If they'd done that, those 90-year-old ladies dying in their
attics right now would have been able to hightail it out of town in
their electric wheelchairs, yup.



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Jim wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 22:26:59 +0100, "Simon Robbins"
> <simon@NOSPAMsjrobbins.demon.co.uk> wrote:>
>
>>Have you ever gone four days with food and little water, in 90 degree heat?
>
>
> I spent 356 days in Viet Nam in 1969/70, if that tells you anything

No, it doesn't. Oh, I know you think that means your experience is
comparable, but maybe it wasn't.



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Jim wrote:

> I've already taken some flack for my opinion (from friends), but what
> REALLY ticked me off was what I saw on TV today. A camera was rolling
> past one of the centers and hundreds of people were sitting outside
> it, doing absolutley nothing (I wish I could underline that). Sitting
> in piles of trash, which appeared to be at least partially of their
> own making. I realize they are suffering, but it seems that if
> nothing else, they could have at least started cleaning up the area
> they were in, just for something to do to keep busy and their minds
> off their problems till help came. The area around those centers must
> have parking lots, the least they could have done is started putting
> their trash into a big pile in the street or one of the parking lots -
> which would speed up cleanup efforts when the time comes. What I saw
> was a bunch of people waiting for someone else to help them, instead
> of trying at least a little bit to help themselves. It's their city,
> but none of the ones on the film clip seemed to give a hoot, they
> appeared to want someone else to clean up the mess for them.
>
> So maybe I'm a heartless jerk, but I'd be a lot more sympathetic to
> their situation if I saw them trying to do something instead of just
> sitting.

I was thinking the same thing when I see old film clips of refugees in
Europe after WWII. Why did they just sit there huddled waiting for food
and water and clothing from GIs? Why didn't they start cleaning up
their own rubble? That way reconstruction might not have taken as long
as it did, and it would have given them something to do to stave off the
boredom. And those concentration camp slackers!! Geeze, those places
sure needed a coat of paint. Some people are just *so* lazy, aren't they?



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