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aakermit wrote:
> Ok, I see your point. The use of the term "bullshit" threw me. I am
> not a prude, but the word has a somewhat inflamatory connotation.
> Perhaps "apples to oranges" would have better for me.
>

OK, sorry, how about - apples to bovine escrement


>People are
> frustrated because they can't control the situation. Instead of
> saying "why did God allow this to happen?", they say "why did George
> Bush allow this to happen?"


Both would be valid questions:
God for pre-cataclysm logic, as in "why would you allow this to happen?"

Bush for post-cataclysm logic (sic), as in "why did you wait days after the
fact to cancel your vacation, knowing that the Mother of Hurricanes was
about to give America the Mother of Enimas, leaving a clueless Homeland
Security chief with the keys, etc., etc..?"

Oh well, 20/20 hindsight is a luxury for us peons to at least feel like we
would have done something different...
 

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> Jim wrote:
> > So maybe I'm a heartless jerk, but I'd be a lot more sympathetic to
> > their situation if I saw them trying to do something instead of just
> > sitting.

I guess they could have dropped some paint and paint brushes down to them to
help them past the time.


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> Probably cause most security forces are in far off places fighting a war!
>
> Ibby
>

We don't have "Security Forces" in the United States (ie, Paramilitary
"Polizia" with uzi submachineguns on every corner.)

In fact, it is against the US Constitution for the Army, Navy, etc to
function in a law enforcement capacity on US soil unless authorized by
Congress.
(Google: The Posse Comitatus Act)

We have National Guard units which support the active-duty military during
times of war and are at the disposal and control of State Governors during
times of civil distress or disaster. The Guard doesn't come blowing into
town unless they are requested to do so by lawful state authority.

So (specific to New Orleans), tell me, how do you:

- Evacuate a city where people can't or don't want to leave?
- Get thousands of trucks into a city where roads are 80% covered in water?
- Get hundreds of helos/planes on the ground when nearby airports are
destroyed?
- Maintain supply lines for both of the above when the infrastructure to
support vehicles and aviaiton is smashed?
- Get thousands of troops into a city when there is nowhere to house them?
- Get tons of supplies into a city with nowhere to store them?
- Keep everyone communicating when phones and radio repeater towers are
inoperative?

Hindsight is 20/20 and it's easy to throw stones when you don't have to
consider the real logistics and command/control issues that exisist.
 
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>
> ___| reply |__________________________________________________________
> If I'd been Bush after the tsunami, I'd have fired whoever came up
> with the "it takes time to get the logistics in place" excuse and told
> the
> next guy in line that I wanted a C-130 full of water and another full
> of
> food and some guy in the back throwing it out the door in six hours or
> he
> was going to be the guy in back in 12 hours....
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
>
> My first prediction, based on what happened to the former CIA director
> George Tenet: a year from now, "whoever came up with the 'it takes time
> to get the logistics in place' excuse" will get the presidential Medal
> of Freedom, for his service to the people of Louisiana and Mississippi.
>
>
> My second prediction, based on the big give-away that rolled through
> both houses of Congress this summer: in six weeks, someone is going to
> sponsor a second major energy bill, which will offer additional tax
> incentives to oil companies that upgrade or expand their existing
> refineries. We, the taxpayers, will make this sacrifice "for the sake
> of national security."

If they first repeal the 900,000 pages of EPA regs that have made it almost
impossible to build a new refinery now.
 
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JW from Australia started all this spin.. then grabbed a can of ale and back
under the shade of the gum tree. Came back once and fed the fire and back
under the gum tree again.
OK, my observation from the TV reports showed the utter chaos and despair of
the people of New Orleans and then a switch to a President in a very neat
grey suit and tie saying ah know yer'all suffrin but we're comin' to help.
A repeat of a similar scene the next day. Nice man nice suit.
I know he would probably be useless on location but to see the President in
rough gear (water tight waders or whatever ) climbing into a military
aircraft on day one and heading south would have been an inspiration to
many. Mind you he may have done so so I stand to be corrected
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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 23:09:13 +1200, "donbutts"
<remove.donneybutts@hotmail.com> wrote:

>JW from Australia started all this spin.. then grabbed a can of ale and back
>under the shade of the gum tree. Came back once and fed the fire and back
>under the gum tree again.
>OK, my observation from the TV reports showed the utter chaos and despair of
>the people of New Orleans and then a switch to a President in a very neat
>grey suit and tie saying ah know yer'all suffrin but we're comin' to help.
>A repeat of a similar scene the next day. Nice man nice suit.
>I know he would probably be useless on location but to see the President in
>rough gear (water tight waders or whatever ) climbing into a military
>aircraft on day one and heading south would have been an inspiration to
>many. Mind you he may have done so so I stand to be corrected
>Butts
>
>


Trust me, they are probably better without Bubba Bush getting in the
way. He would only screw things up worse than they already are......
 
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>Subject: My Pet Goat' -- The Sequel
>
>
>
>My Pet Goat' -- The Sequel
>This time, during a catastrophe, the president did not merely dither for seven minutes, but for three days, and his top advisors followed suit. While the media has done a good job in portraying the overall failure of leadership in this weeks hurricane's disaster, it has not focused enough on this deadly dereliction of duty.
>
>By Greg Mitchell
>
>(September 03, 2005) -- While a rising chorus in the press has taken the White House, FEMA and the Pentagon to task for performing miserably in their response to the human disaster on the Gulf Coast, few have focused on the most telling aspect of the entire failure. It’s not just incompetence. It’s a shameful lack of concern: The 9/11 “My Pet Goat” dithering on an administration-wide scale.
>
>Simply stated, the president and his top advisers chose vacation over action.
>
>While the media has done a good job in portraying the overall deadly failure of leadership, it has not focused enough on this deadly dereliction of duty.
>
>President Bush, in his weekly radio address on Saturday, said: “In America, we do not abandon our fellow citizens in their hour of need.” But Bush, and his top aides, quite frankly, did just that.
>
>I was reminded of this today, seeing pictures of Vice President Dick Cheney finally showing up at the White House after riding out the storm-of-the-century in Wyoming. Perhaps he brought back with him a couple dozen trout to throw on the grill for the White House staffers.
>
>His absence, and the president’s performance during it, can only add to the rumors that Bush is clueless without the Big Guy at his side.
>
>This follows Bush himself remaining on vacation for more than two days after the storm hit, despite acknowledging this was the worst disaster in the nation’s history. He did take a trip during those days, not back to Washington but out to San Diego to deliver a political speech comparing his Iraq war to World War II. It got little play because nearly everyone else in the country, beyond his inner circle, was focused on New Orleans instead.
>
>What that trip did produce was a picture of Bush laughing with a country singer and strumming a guitar. But at least the president did start heading home late Wednesday. As he did, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice was still enjoying her vacation in New York.
>
>In fact, that night she enjoyed a few good yucks while attending the goofy Broadway play “Spamalot.” Ironically, the Bush team's performance this week did indeed seem like something out of a Monty Python skit. Each, in his or her own way, took a bunch of "silly walks."
>
>Condi also played tennis with Monica Seles and on Thursday went on a shoe-shopping spree on Fifth Avenue until a fellow customer yelled at her for not doing her job and bloggers exposed all of this. Then she hurriedly headed back to Washington. Whoops, we discovered she was overdue in getting a grip on offers to help that were pouring in from overseas governments and organizations.
>
>Paging Andrew Card: Turns out he was Bush's Maine man.
>
>And what of FEMA chief Michael Brown? He was so out-of-it that he didn’t even know about 10,000 evacuees living and dying at the Convention Center, even after they had received wide TV coverage for a solid day.
>
>The next day, the president greeted him with, "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." A medal is surely on the way.
>
>At a press conference on Thursday, the fourth day of the disaster, with newspapers and TV reporting tens of thousands stranded at hospitals, homes and a highway overpass, Homeland Security chief Michael Cherotff was asked by a reporter if he thought only hundreds or maybe many more needed rescued. He replied:
>
>“I'd be guessing. I mean, a thousand seems like a very large number, but we have already rescued several thousand. Hopefully, most people have gotten themselves onto roofs and have been picked up. But, as I said, rather than give you a guesstimate, I can tell you that as long as there is someone on a roof waving a flag, we're going to be sending a helicopter out there to get them.”
>
>At the same press briefing, Cherotff was asked if he thought there were enough soldiers on the ground to control the situation. His answer: “I'm satisfied that we have not only more than enough forces there and on the way. And frankly, what we're doing is we are putting probably more than we need in order to send an unambiguous message that we will not tolerate lawlessness or violence or interference with the evacuation.”
>
>While the 9/11 “My Pet Goat” episode was certainly illuminating, it’s not certain what might have worked out better that day had the president dropped the book and taken action. But his failure to grab the reins in the hurricane catastrophe for three days this week probably doomed hundreds, or more, to death.
>
>This is not mere incompetence, but dereliction of duty. The press should call it by its proper name.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Greg Mitchell (gmitchell@editorandpublisher.com) is editor of E&P.
>
>
>
 

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Capt Bob wrote:
>
> Trust me, they are probably better without Bubba Bush getting in the
> way. He would only screw things up worse than they already are......

GeoDubya couldn't organize a class picnic without a support staff!! Today
he's headed back for the second time in three days, for another great PHOTO
OP, and to see how many resources he can delay the implementaion of by his
presense, not to mention the ludicrous cost to the taxpayers for his
diversion...
 
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If there is a 60nm exclusion zone around Air Force One does than that mean
any aid/supplies cannot be flown in/out when he is there?

Ibby

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> Capt Bob wrote:
>>
>> Trust me, they are probably better without Bubba Bush getting in the
>> way. He would only screw things up worse than they already are......
>
> GeoDubya couldn't organize a class picnic without a support staff!! Today
> he's headed back for the second time in three days, for another great
> PHOTO OP, and to see how many resources he can delay the implementaion of
> by his presense, not to mention the ludicrous cost to the taxpayers for
> his diversion...
>
 
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___| reply |__________________________________________________________
If there is a 60nm exclusion zone around Air Force One does than that
mean any aid/supplies cannot be flown in/out when he is there?

_____________________________________________________________________

Here's what the main New Orleans paper reported Saturday:

Times-Picayune
Saturday, September 03, 2005
"Bush visit halts food delivery"
By Michelle Krupa, Staff writer

Three tons of food ready for delivery by air to refugees in St. Bernard

Parish and on Algiers Point sat on the Crescent City Connection bridge
Friday afternoon as air traffic was halted because of President Bush’s
visit to New Orleans, officials said.

The provisions, secured by U.S. Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-Napoleonville,
and
state Agriculture Commissioner Bob Odom, baked in the afternoon sun as
Bush
surveyed damage across southeast Louisiana five days after Katrina made

landfall as a Category 4 storm, said Melancon’s chief of staff, Casey
O’Shea.

“We had arrangements to airlift food by helicopter to these folks, and
now
the food is sitting in trucks because they won’t let helicopters fly,”
O’Shea said Friday afternoon.

The food was expected to be in the hands of storm survivors after the
president left the devastated region Friday night, he said.

-- Another story, which is sourced to German TV news (ZDF), "reported
that the president's visit was a completely staged event. Their crew
witnessed how the open air food distribution point Bush visited in
front of the cameras was torn down immediately after the president and
the herd of 'news people' had left and that others which were allegedly
being set up were abandoned at the same time." This is from a blog that
my wife reads, and so far I haven't been able to confirm whether it's
true or not. There may be something about it on the ZDF website
http://www.zdf.de but my German's not good enough to navigate it.

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Oh what a caring President.

Ibby

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>
> ___| reply |__________________________________________________________
> If there is a 60nm exclusion zone around Air Force One does than that
> mean any aid/supplies cannot be flown in/out when he is there?
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
>
> Here's what the main New Orleans paper reported Saturday:
>
> Times-Picayune
> Saturday, September 03, 2005
> "Bush visit halts food delivery"
> By Michelle Krupa, Staff writer
>
> Three tons of food ready for delivery by air to refugees in St. Bernard
>
> Parish and on Algiers Point sat on the Crescent City Connection bridge
> Friday afternoon as air traffic was halted because of President Bush's
> visit to New Orleans, officials said.
>
> The provisions, secured by U.S. Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-Napoleonville,
> and
> state Agriculture Commissioner Bob Odom, baked in the afternoon sun as
> Bush
> surveyed damage across southeast Louisiana five days after Katrina made
>
> landfall as a Category 4 storm, said Melancon's chief of staff, Casey
> O'Shea.
>
> "We had arrangements to airlift food by helicopter to these folks, and
> now
> the food is sitting in trucks because they won't let helicopters fly,"
> O'Shea said Friday afternoon.
>
> The food was expected to be in the hands of storm survivors after the
> president left the devastated region Friday night, he said.
>
> -- Another story, which is sourced to German TV news (ZDF), "reported
> that the president's visit was a completely staged event. Their crew
> witnessed how the open air food distribution point Bush visited in
> front of the cameras was torn down immediately after the president and
> the herd of 'news people' had left and that others which were allegedly
> being set up were abandoned at the same time." This is from a blog that
> my wife reads, and so far I haven't been able to confirm whether it's
> true or not. There may be something about it on the ZDF website
> http://www.zdf.de but my German's not good enough to navigate it.
>
> _________________________________________________________
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David Wilson-Okamura wrote:
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> I haven't read the study, and I really don't have an opinion, but just
>
> because some guy publishes a paper....I mean, use Google yourself and
> find that every scientist has his own opinion, report, paper, and
> "proof" about everything. Just because one guy says one thing doesn't
> mean much, sorry.
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
>
> You don't seem to understand how academic science works. I'm not a
> scientist, but I do know something about academic publishing. Here's
> the process: you submit your article for something called "peer
> review." "Nature" is the premier journal in American science, so the
> people who do peer review for it are the very best people in their
> field. Now, if it gets published in "Nature," it doesn't guarantee it's
> true. It does mean, though, that it's been subjected to the very
> highest levels of scientific scrutiny.

Err, I'm familiar with the process.

> You can ignore it if you like. But don't hide behind "every scientist
> has his own opinion." Some studies meet the test of peer review, others
> don't. I don't believe everything I read on the internet, and I hope
> you don't either. The question is how to discern the truth among so
> many conflicting opinions. Some people look at the variety of opinions,
> throw up their hands, and decide to believe whatever is convenient.
> That's irresponsible. The alternative is to weigh the source of the
> information and the evidence on which it's based -- and let the chips
> fall where they may. You can still make mistakes that way, so if you
> have a better method, let me know. But the alternative is far, far
> worse, because it's not even trying to find out the truth -- it's just
> looking for confirmation of its own prejudices.

Read my post again carefully.



John

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Hi Butts,

I'm only not saying much, because I don't KNOW much, about the local
situation in the States - that's why I posed the question.

We don't get Hurricanes here in Brisbane. We don't get them in the rest
of Australia very often, either.

Like you, we're only getting sparse, jumbled, Media coverage.

It certainly sounds like there's absolutely no doubt that the rest of
America's citizens have put up a magnificent response.

I guess the rest will all come out in the wash, mate, but I don't think
I'd like to be some of the blokes who were in certain positions of
responsibility for getting the appropriate things done, ASAP, whatever those
things may have been.

But hey, I've been wrong before! :)

Regards,
John Ward
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> JW from Australia started all this spin.. then grabbed a can of ale and
> back under the shade of the gum tree. Came back once and fed the fire and
> back under the gum tree again.
> OK, my observation from the TV reports showed the utter chaos and despair
> of the people of New Orleans and then a switch to a President in a very
> neat grey suit and tie saying ah know yer'all suffrin but we're comin' to
> help. A repeat of a similar scene the next day. Nice man nice suit.
> I know he would probably be useless on location but to see the President
> in rough gear (water tight waders or whatever ) climbing into a military
> aircraft on day one and heading south would have been an inspiration to
> many. Mind you he may have done so so I stand to be corrected
> Butts
>
>
>
 
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I saw a news report on Sky News in UK and private boat owners who wanted to
get into the city help those stranded to get out were refused entry by the
National Guards. I think the main problem for Bush (or whoever) is the vast
delay in getting action done - thats why he is being blamed!

Ibby

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> "Ibby (The Artist Formerly Known as Chris)"
> <chris@mwapartnershipNOSPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> Probably cause most security forces are in far off places fighting a war!
>>
>> Ibby
>>
>
> We don't have "Security Forces" in the United States (ie, Paramilitary
> "Polizia" with uzi submachineguns on every corner.)
>
> In fact, it is against the US Constitution for the Army, Navy, etc to
> function in a law enforcement capacity on US soil unless authorized by
> Congress.
> (Google: The Posse Comitatus Act)
>
> We have National Guard units which support the active-duty military during
> times of war and are at the disposal and control of State Governors during
> times of civil distress or disaster. The Guard doesn't come blowing into
> town unless they are requested to do so by lawful state authority.
>
> So (specific to New Orleans), tell me, how do you:
>
> - Evacuate a city where people can't or don't want to leave?
> - Get thousands of trucks into a city where roads are 80% covered in
> water?
> - Get hundreds of helos/planes on the ground when nearby airports are
> destroyed?
> - Maintain supply lines for both of the above when the infrastructure to
> support vehicles and aviaiton is smashed?
> - Get thousands of troops into a city when there is nowhere to house them?
> - Get tons of supplies into a city with nowhere to store them?
> - Keep everyone communicating when phones and radio repeater towers are
> inoperative?
>
> Hindsight is 20/20 and it's easy to throw stones when you don't have to
> consider the real logistics and command/control issues that exisist.
>
 
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A former Secretary of State for Northern Ireland did the very same thing
approx 10 years ago. There had been deaths due to an IRA bomb or shootings
and he was displayed that night at a New Years Eve party singing, drinking
Guiness and having fun in a time of crisis - he was forced out of office
within a week because the public had lost faith in him.

Ibby

>>This follows Bush himself remaining on vacation for more than two days
>>after the storm hit, despite acknowledging this was the worst disaster in
>>the nation's history. He did take a trip during those days, not back to
>>Washington but out to San Diego to deliver a political speech comparing
>>his Iraq war to World War II. It got little play because nearly everyone
>>else in the country, beyond his inner circle, was focused on New Orleans
>>instead.
>>
>>What that trip did produce was a picture of Bush laughing with a country
>>singer and strumming a guitar. But at least the president did start
>>heading home late Wednesday. As he did, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice
>>was still enjoying her vacation in New York.
 
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> I don't know about you, but I'm greatly relieved.
> John

that'sa doozy alright :))

>I'm only not saying much, because I don't KNOW >much, about the local
situation in the States - that's why >I posed the question.

just having the usual dig JW :) I think we were all watching the
Wobblies go down instead of keeping on the news channel :)

>We don't get Hurricanes here in Brisbane. We don't get >them in the rest
of Australia very often, either

Nobody gets them like the Caribbean / Florida area in fact the English
document the fact in their part of the world by saying 'urricanes 'ardly
'appen! :)

>I'd like to be some of the blokes who were in certain >positions of
>responsibility for getting the appropriate >things done, ASAP, whatever
>those things may have >been.

They should be trained on some of their block buster movies-
men on the ground in an instance and heroes all round.

Terrible stories from the Superdome. Also very emotional guy talking about
the old mama.. 'she was told they were coming Tuesday, she was told they
were coming Wednesday, she was told etc' There was a noticeable silence
from the news team straight after that clip.

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On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:44:30 +1200, "donbutts"
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>
>> I don't know about you, but I'm greatly relieved.
>> John
>
> that'sa doozy alright :))
>
> >I'm only not saying much, because I don't KNOW >much, about the local
>situation in the States - that's why >I posed the question.
>
>just having the usual dig JW :) I think we were all watching the
>Wobblies go down instead of keeping on the news channel :)
>
> >We don't get Hurricanes here in Brisbane. We don't get >them in the rest
>of Australia very often, either
>
>Nobody gets them like the Caribbean / Florida area in fact the English
>document the fact in their part of the world by saying 'urricanes 'ardly
>'appen! :)

But only in 'artford, 'ereford, and 'ampshire...

take care,
Scott
"How kind of you, to let me come"
 
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Hi Butts,

Yeah, I'll own up and say I came close to shedding a tear after seeing
that story about the bloke's mother ( the worst part was that she eventually
drowned, in the steadily-rising water, after all those days!! Try to imagine
that, from the viewpoint of both the mother, and the son. ).

But then I remembered some of the Aussie' sporting fiascos this year,
and I got angry instead. That got me moving again, mate! :)

If it wasn't for the FANTASTIC response by the American citizens, it
would be bloody hard to get much that's immediately positive out of all
this - so far.

Regards,
John Ward


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>
>> I don't know about you, but I'm greatly relieved.
>> John
>
> that'sa doozy alright :))
>
> >I'm only not saying much, because I don't KNOW >much, about the local
> situation in the States - that's why >I posed the question.
>
> just having the usual dig JW :) I think we were all watching the
> Wobblies go down instead of keeping on the news channel :)
>
> >We don't get Hurricanes here in Brisbane. We don't get >them in the rest
> of Australia very often, either
>
> Nobody gets them like the Caribbean / Florida area in fact the English
> document the fact in their part of the world by saying 'urricanes 'ardly
> 'appen! :)
>
>>I'd like to be some of the blokes who were in certain >positions of
>>responsibility for getting the appropriate >things done, ASAP, whatever
>>those things may have >been.
>
> They should be trained on some of their block buster movies-
> men on the ground in an instance and heroes all round.
>
> Terrible stories from the Superdome. Also very emotional guy talking about
> the old mama.. 'she was told they were coming Tuesday, she was told they
> were coming Wednesday, she was told etc' There was a noticeable silence
> from the news team straight after that clip.
>
> Butts
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
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wrote:

>"Ibby (The Artist Formerly Known as Chris)"
><chris@mwapartnershipNOSPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> Probably cause most security forces are in far off places fighting a war!
>>
>> Ibby
>>
>
>We don't have "Security Forces" in the United States (ie, Paramilitary
>"Polizia" with uzi submachineguns on every corner.)
>
>In fact, it is against the US Constitution for the Army, Navy, etc to
>function in a law enforcement capacity on US soil unless authorized by
>Congress.
>(Google: The Posse Comitatus Act)
>
>We have National Guard units which support the active-duty military during
>times of war and are at the disposal and control of State Governors during
>times of civil distress or disaster. The Guard doesn't come blowing into
>town unless they are requested to do so by lawful state authority.
>
>So (specific to New Orleans), tell me, how do you:
>
>- Evacuate a city where people can't or don't want to leave?
>- Get thousands of trucks into a city where roads are 80% covered in water?
>- Get hundreds of helos/planes on the ground when nearby airports are
>destroyed?
>- Maintain supply lines for both of the above when the infrastructure to
>support vehicles and aviaiton is smashed?
>- Get thousands of troops into a city when there is nowhere to house them?
>- Get tons of supplies into a city with nowhere to store them?
>- Keep everyone communicating when phones and radio repeater towers are
>inoperative?
>
>Hindsight is 20/20 and it's easy to throw stones when you don't have to
>consider the real logistics and command/control issues that exisist.
>


The real issue is that the moron in the White House froze at the
switch and continued his Vacation, and strutted around in his $2000
suit with that silly smirk on his face, while people were dying by
the hundreds. If this had happened in Iraq you would have seen
thousands of troops heading for there as soon as the storm hit.

Bob
 
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"Capt Bob" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:24:38 -0700, "Jay Beckman" <jnsbeckman@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"Ibby (The Artist Formerly Known as Chris)"
>><chris@mwapartnershipNOSPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>> Probably cause most security forces are in far off places fighting a
>>> war!
>>>
>>> Ibby
>>>
>>
>>We don't have "Security Forces" in the United States (ie, Paramilitary
>>"Polizia" with uzi submachineguns on every corner.)
>>
>>In fact, it is against the US Constitution for the Army, Navy, etc to
>>function in a law enforcement capacity on US soil unless authorized by
>>Congress.
>>(Google: The Posse Comitatus Act)
>>
>>We have National Guard units which support the active-duty military during
>>times of war and are at the disposal and control of State Governors during
>>times of civil distress or disaster. The Guard doesn't come blowing into
>>town unless they are requested to do so by lawful state authority.
>>
>>So (specific to New Orleans), tell me, how do you:
>>
>>- Evacuate a city where people can't or don't want to leave?
>>- Get thousands of trucks into a city where roads are 80% covered in
>>water?
>>- Get hundreds of helos/planes on the ground when nearby airports are
>>destroyed?
>>- Maintain supply lines for both of the above when the infrastructure to
>>support vehicles and aviaiton is smashed?
>>- Get thousands of troops into a city when there is nowhere to house them?
>>- Get tons of supplies into a city with nowhere to store them?
>>- Keep everyone communicating when phones and radio repeater towers are
>>inoperative?
>>
>>Hindsight is 20/20 and it's easy to throw stones when you don't have to
>>consider the real logistics and command/control issues that exisist.
>>
>
>
> The real issue is that the moron in the White House froze at the
> switch and continued his Vacation, and strutted around in his $2000
> suit with that silly smirk on his face, while people were dying by
> the hundreds. If this had happened in Iraq you would have seen
> thousands of troops heading for there as soon as the storm hit.

The federal government released funds and authorized emergency services to
be mobilized a week before the storm hit so what about the "morons" in
charge of the city of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana?

And, FWIW, Bush was in Crawford because there was renovation work being done
at the White House...he was not on "vacation."

What exactly do people think the President can do from Washington that he
can't do from Crawford, aboard AF1, or from the shitter for that matter?
 
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Hi aakermit,

<Snip> "........I also do not believe that George Bush is anywhere close
to God........"

Some say he'll be closer to God, one day.

Some don't say that.

Some non-religious humans don't look to a "higher power" for an
explanation or a cause.

Anyway, mate, it's about time CRaSH Parker was asked by someone to
explain himself - none of us have been able to come up with an explanation
yet! :))

Regards,
John Ward
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> Ok, I see your point. The use of the term "bullshit" threw me. I am
> not a prude, but the word has a somewhat inflamatory connotation.
> Perhaps "apples to oranges" would have better for me.
>
> I in no way believe that religion, or the religious age constitutes a
> superior form of thought. I also do not believe that George Bush is
> anywhere close to God (favorite deity). My point is that when a
> cataclysmic event occurs, be it the Great Flood or Hurricane Katrina,
> humans look to a "higher power" for an explanation or cause. I refer
> to George Bush as a higher power in the sense that he is President and
> as Harry Truman so aptly said, "the buck stops here". People are
> frustrated because they can't control the situation. Instead of saying
> "why did God allow this to happen?", they say "why did George Bush
> allow this to happen?"
> -Greg
>
 

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John Ward wrote:
> Anyway, mate, it's about time CRaSH Parker was asked by someone to
> explain himself - none of us have been able to come up with an
> explanation yet! :))
>

I explained myself, I think, let me go back and look.............
Yep, I did, now what are YOU talking about?? <G>
 
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Jay Beckman,

Thank you for one of the most knowledgable and measured comments I have
read in this thread. People ranting and calling people "morons" add
nothing intelligent to the discussion.
Greg
 

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Hi Jay and Scott,
No matter what you say, you will never convince the "Bush Bashers" that
anyone but the President is totally responsible for Katrina, and the
aftermath! I think it's time to move on with Flight Simming in this
news group, and let others move to another forum to unite and express
their expert opinions on US politics!

Here's to "Wheels up" (and safe landings...)

Propwash
 
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How the hell can you reasonably expect me to be able to know that?? :))

JW
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> John Ward wrote:
>> Anyway, mate, it's about time CRaSH Parker was asked by someone to
>> explain himself - none of us have been able to come up with an
>> explanation yet! :))
>>
>
> I explained myself, I think, let me go back and look.............
> Yep, I did, now what are YOU talking about?? <G>
>