Question Problem with my GTX 1080 Ti - - - or is it something else ?

[Miki248]

Yes.


It doesn't matter in which order you unplug and replug the cables.

But for me, i've found it easier to connect all required cables to the PSU 1st and then route each and every one to the proper place where they need to go.


It ONLY works when PSU is plugged to the mains. But since one of your tasks is replacing PSU, where you have to remove the main power cable between PSU and wall outlet, you can't ground yourself by just touching any metal part of the PSU (or PC case in that matter), since there is no ground connection.

All one needs to know about ESD and PCs + plethora of info about ESD, is all seen/heard here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m54ifTCgtN4


I suggest you watch it. Steve has made very informative video about ESD.

I bought these gloves as well.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/dp/B00AXTVONU?psc=1&smid=AN1VRQENFRJN5&ref_=chk_typ_inl_img

I hope that this protection would be good enough. It seems that wireless wristbands are scam so I bought the ones with the cable. I'm not exactly sure where should I attach the cable, it seems that it should be connected to the metal part of the pc case according to the Internet.
Just in case, I won't wear socks and will not stand on the carpet, I hope that this is enough....

Btw, my new graphics card just arrived and there is nothing but the main unit inside. I presume that the cables that I need to use are the ones that are included with the new PSU along with the same cable that connects to the monitor.

 

[Miki248]

If even this is not enough do I need some kind of anti static protection coverall?
I don't have central heating or pipes, the only thing I have is an aircon so I don't think I have anything similar that you mentioned. Also, there is a risk that I might forget to touch it every 15 minutes.
Moreover, I don't know if my clothes are all made of cotton or not (highly unlikely probably). I just want to achieve this with no risk and easiest possible way. I definitely owe you coffee at least once I successfully fix the issue.

 

[Aeacus]

I'm not exactly sure where should I attach the cable

Onto any metal part that is grounded. E.g water pipes, central heating system.

it seems that it should be connected to the metal part of the pc case according to the Internet.

It doesn't help you, since as soon as you remove the PSU from the PC case, PC case isn't grounded anymore.
Also, as soon as you remove the PSU power cable that goes to the wall socket, then the PSU isn't grounded anymore either.
Hence to find another source for ground point.

Btw, my new graphics card just arrived and there is nothing but the main unit inside. I presume that the cables that I need to use are the ones that are included with the new PSU along with the same cable that connects to the monitor.

GPU power cable is included with PSU.

f even this is not enough do I need some kind of anti static protection coverall?

No. There's no need to cover yourself fully. The ESD wrist band with ground point wire and it being connected to ground point is enough.

I don't have central heating or pipes, the only thing I have is an aircon so I don't think I have anything similar that you mentioned.

Well, i don't know the household appliances you have. Well, connecting the wrist band ground point to the washing machine metal part or fridge's metal part would also suffice, since these two are connected to the electrical grid and are grounded as well. Microwave too, if it is connected to the wall socket. Any appliance that has metal casing and is connected to the wall outlet will do.

Also, there is a risk that I might forget to touch it every 15 minutes.

15 mins is more like an average. E.g when i work with my hardware, i make few pauses every once-in-a-while (e.g get a tea from kitchen). But before putting my hands back on the sensitive PC electronics, i'll ground myself.

Moreover, I don't know if my clothes are all made of cotton or not (highly unlikely probably).

Clothes have tags on them, telling the composition of materials. But if unsure about certain clothing item, you can remove it.

I definitely owe you coffee at least once I successfully fix the issue.

 

[Miki248]

Onto any metal part that is grounded. E.g water pipes, central heating system.


It doesn't help you, since as soon as you remove the PSU from the PC case, PC case isn't grounded anymore.
Also, as soon as you remove the PSU power cable that goes to the wall socket, then the PSU isn't grounded anymore either.
Hence to find another source for ground point.


GPU power cable is included with PSU.


No. There's no need to cover yourself fully. The ESD wrist band with ground point wire and it being connected to ground point is enough.


Well, i don't know the household appliances you have. Well, connecting the wrist band ground point to the washing machine metal part or fridge's metal part would also suffice, since these two are connected to the electrical grid and are grounded as well. Microwave too, if it is connected to the wall socket. Any appliance that has metal casing and is connected to the wall outlet will do.


15 mins is more like an average. E.g when i work with my hardware, i make few pauses every once-in-a-while (e.g get a tea from kitchen). But before putting my hands back on the sensitive PC electronics, i'll ground myself.


Clothes have tags on them, telling the composition of materials. But if unsure about certain clothing item, you can remove it.

So none of the stuff that I bought as a precaution will not work if I'm not properly grounded. Whoever made PSUs work like that really like to mess with people' lives.

Jokes on the side, this is the stuff that I have: oil heater, toaster and a microwave.

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I also uploaded the pics of my pc if you might have an advice about it.
If these applianced would work for connecting with the wristband, could you please mark the possible connecting spots and send me the screenshots with marked spots?

Now, if I connect successfully I do not need to worry about what clothes I'm wearing as long as I'm barefooted and not on the carpet, correct? Would that be enough?
I know that dry air can cause static electricity as well but I really don't want to spend additional money on air humidifiers, ground carpets and whatelsenot.

Also, I live in Japan (not Japanese) so the voltage/electrical output is different, I don't know if this would affect anything?

 

[Miki248]

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[Miki248]

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[Miki248]

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[Miki248]

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[Miki248]

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[stonecarver]

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Water cooled 1080ti changes why you can't look at the card how I suggested with the flash light. Being as the GTX 1080ti came out in 2017 after your squared away with your power supply replacement if it's still acting up I wouldn't trust a 8 year old water cooler system that's on the GPU.

Not saying it's bad just long past needing to be checked and or replaced.

 

[Miki248]

Water cooled 1080ti changes why you can't look at the card how I suggested with the flash light. Being as the GTX 1080ti came out in 2017 after your squared away with your power supply replacement if it's still acting up I wouldn't trust a 8 year old water cooler system that's on the GPU.

Not saying it's bad just long past needing to be checked and or replaced.

Yes, I did what you told me and I could see clearly.
If I have to replace that as well for a lot of money and even more then it might be better to buy a whole new used PC which I can't afford for...

Or should I just go ahead and replace the GPU as well? RTX 3060 is slightly better in performance than the 1080Ti but the latter one is still considered as the best GPU that Nvidia ever made.

Edit: I did however noticed that when I opened the case and used an Air Duster the PC recognized the GPU and the sound and worked normal for half an hour but got odd again as soon as I tried to benchmark test it. Just my presumption but it is highly likely that the GPU is fine but something else is preventing it from being fine.

Edit of Edit: I also checked the sensors and temperature with hwinfo64 and the results were fine.

 

[Aeacus]

If these applianced would work for connecting with the wristband, could you please mark the possible connecting spots and send me the screenshots with marked spots?

Well, i don't need to image edit. The 5th pic you shared, the top part of the heating radiator. It has venting holes at the top area, where you could clip the wrist band clip and plug the heating radiator into the mains. You don't need to turn the radiator on, just plugging the power cable to the mains would suffice.

Also, radiator is on wheels and it seems to have long enough power cord, so you can move it closer to your working area.

Now, if I connect successfully I do not need to worry about what clothes I'm wearing as long as I'm barefooted and not on the carpet, correct? Would that be enough?

Yes and it would be enough.

Also, I live in Japan (not Japanese) so the voltage/electrical output is different, I don't know if this would affect anything?

ESD is universal. And grounding wire (or neutral wire) in outlets is universal too. Only diff that Japan has, compared to the rest of the world, is 100V from the mains. In USA, it is 120V at the mains while most of the world has it 240V. E.g i live in Europe (Estonia) and i'm getting 240V from the wall.

Or should I just go ahead and replace the GPU as well? RTX 3060 is slightly better in performance than the 1080Ti but the latter one is still considered as the best GPU that Nvidia ever made.

GTX 1080 Ti is actually better than RTX 3060,
comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-3060/3918vs4105

But to replace the GPU, you need to screw the AIO rad from the back end of the case, since there's tubing going to the GPU and you can't just "pop out" the GPU easily, as you could with air cooled GPU.

Water cooled GPUs are actually quite rare. Also, those cost a lot more than their air cooled counterparts. And AIO as such, lasts for 3-5 years or so. So, when your GPU AIO gives up a ghost, your GPU has no cooling what-so-ever.

Edit: I did however noticed that when I opened the case and used an Air Duster the PC recognized the GPU and the sound and worked normal for half an hour but got odd again as soon as I tried to benchmark test it. Just my presumption but it is highly likely that the GPU is fine but something else is preventing it from being fine.

Could be loose connection between GPU and PCI-E x16 slot. Or could be PSU ripple issue. As i said, your FSP PSU has high ripple issues.

Ripple represents the AC fluctuations (periodic) and noise (random) found in the DC rails of PSUs. Ripple significantly decreases the life span of capacitors because it increases their temperature; a 10 °C increase can cut into a capacitor's life span by up to 50 percent. Ripple also plays a vital role in overall system stability, especially when it is overclocked.

 

[Miki248]

Well, i don't need to image edit. The 5th pic you shared, the top part of the heating radiator. It has venting holes at the top area, where you could clip the wrist band clip and plug the heating radiator into the mains. You don't need to turn the radiator on, just plugging the power cable to the mains would suffice.

Also, radiator is on wheels and it seems to have long enough power cord, so you can move it closer to your working area.


Yes and it would be enough.


ESD is universal. And grounding wire (or neutral wire) in outlets is universal too. Only diff that Japan has, compared to the rest of the world, is 100V from the mains. In USA, it is 120V at the mains while most of the world has it 240V. E.g i live in Europe (Estonia) and i'm getting 240V from the wall.


GTX 1080 Ti is actually better than RTX 3060,
comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-3060/3918vs4105

But to replace the GPU, you need to screw the AIO rad from the back end of the case, since there's tubing going to the GPU and you can't just "pop out" the GPU easily, as you could with air cooled GPU.

Water cooled GPUs are actually quite rare. Also, those cost a lot more than their air cooled counterparts. And AIO as such, lasts for 3-5 years or so. So, when your GPU AIO gives up a ghost, your GPU has no cooling what-so-ever.


Could be loose connection between GPU and PCI-E x16 slot. Or could be PSU ripple issue. As i said, your FSP PSU has high ripple issues.

Oh dear, I guess the situation is getting more and more complicated...

Anyway, I should just proceed with PSU replacement for now to see if that is going to solve the problem? And if it doesn't I would need a different tutorial for how to replace the GPU? The replacement process of PSU is not changed regardless of air or water cooling?

 

[Aeacus]

I should just proceed with PSU replacement for now to see if that is going to solve the problem?

Yes.

And if it doesn't I would need a different tutorial for how to replace the GPU?

Technically, no.

GPU itself is latched to the PCI-E x16 slot and you need to press the latch open. Then, unscrew the two screws on PCI bracket and GPU itself is free. But since you have AIO cooling on GPU, you need to unscrew the 4x screws holding the rad + fan in place, so you can remove all of it as one unit.

The replacement process of PSU is not changed regardless of air or water cooling?

No, it is not.

 

[Miki248]

Yes.


Technically, no.

GPU itself is latched to the PCI-E x16 slot and you need to press the latch open. Then, unscrew the two screws on PCI bracket and GPU itself is free. But since you have AIO cooling on GPU, you need to unscrew the 4x screws holding the rad + fan in place, so you can remove all of it as one unit.


No, it is not.

Well, I guess I just wasted my money on buying the RTX 3060 then and should have checked the benchmark site. I literally bought a downgrade then lol

Thank you, just in case I'll send a screenshot to confirm if the wristband connection is correct before I venture myself into this risky task.