Ps3 video card = what in pc video card?

[muffins]

Well, considering many of the older crowd like myself here made their own games (my biggest effort was a skiing game, no surprise to many) then compared to many people you're talking to , then yes you would be simpler, maybe not the simplest of the simple, but definitely at a lower level of understanding of what's involved.

assuming again.....i know whats involved in making a game i just have no time to do it...nor do i want to....saying im more "simple" because i havent is a slap in the face

and the whole point of what i was saying there is rwaritsdario was throwing out a huge generalization with a bad example...

 

[enforcer22]

I really wasnt going to respond to this stupid thread but this post is making me do it. Preffering a PC over a limited console does not mean you dont have friends that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard in my life. People who use pc's for games dont want to be limited by hte limited hardware in it or by the games for it. If you want to fit 4 boxs on your tv in its limited resalution and you find that fun go for it some people dont however 😉 i personaly dont care to wait 5 years to get a new graphics "card" for a console so i can play graphics that everyone on a computer has been playing the whole time. I play games for the whole effect not cuz its cheap and can be transported to my friends low res tv so i can quad screen it with them. Yes i find sports games "if i played them" better on a console mearly becuase its one of the few games that seems to play better on a controler course if i wanted to play one i would just buy a controler for my computer and do it. Personaly i dont care what you use i just preffer to not be limited so i use my computer.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

assuming again.....i know whats involved in making a game i just have no time to do it...nor do i want to....

Then no it's not the same, knowing what's involved from a theoretical stand point alone is not the same as the personal hands on knowledge and experience of developing a game yourself. You can read about building/fixing cars, but until you get your hands dirty, it's not the same.

saying im more "simple" because i havent is a slap in the face

So be it, but that's your problem.

and the whole point of what i was saying there is rwaritsdario was throwing out a huge generalization with a bad example...

Which you replied to with a bad example.

Both sides of the debate have bad examples, but really this is not a console site so I don't have patience for the generalized PC bashing, and thus your comments get focus, not his.

 

[muffins]

Both sides of the debate have bad examples, but really this is not a console site so I don't have patience for the generalized PC bashing, and thus your comments get focus, not his.

and where was i bashing PC's? i seem to remember even saying i love pc gaming...my whole point to this...which you seem to have lost...is that console buyers have there reasons for doing so...so what if its artificially controlled...thats the way it is

 

[cpburns]

Tbh, whatever floats your boat. I choose not to buy consoles because its my feeling that I like PC's functionality and flexibility more. Then again its always nice to be able to just hit "power" and start a game up - which is where the console fits in = simplicity.

Why do I have to agree with this? :lol: :twisted:

IMO, consoles are for n00bs, who can't use a computer. PCs are for true people. It also seems to be PC games are better quality in graphics, and gameplay.

Consoles are not for n00bs... Im usre it has is share of noobs just as PC does... but dont generalize like that...

I know ill have a wii just for all the old school SNS games!!!

And everyone knows im no noob
The only fact you have illuminated is the fact that PCs are obviously for people who don't know jack about grammar.

I think that anybody that denies the fact that consoles are a better deal for gaming performance to price is a moron. The manufacturers usually lose money on the console hardware (such as XBOX). Where they really make the money is in the services that go along with the console (such as games that are now in the $60 range + xbox live).

Anyway, I am always annoyed by people who are willing to make idiotic statements such as "PCs are for true people". That is one of the stupidest statements I have ever heard. So, if I like consoles I'm not a true person? How, exactly, do you define what a "true person" is? How does buying a console exclude me from this list? How does buying a PC include me?

Buying every part and reseaching alot about it, putting it all together with your own hands, tweaking everything for it work how you want it to, installing the game, tweaking the games settings for it to look how you want it, and last and most importantly having the pride that you have something unique in your hands and that you know exactly how everything works. That is "true" people.

Going to kmart buying the console and a game, poping it in and pushing the ON buttom. Those are "simple" people.

Wow. That was the stupidest thought I've heard from anyone in a long time. This includes general chat in the Barrens in World of Warcraft. A "true person"????? You're an assinine simpleton! Oh, and don't worry, I do fall squarely under your definition of a True Person. I'm not a jealous poser.
A True Person is a completely meaningless statement though. Some people don't have the knowledge and experience to build their own PC. They're not less human because of it, you moron. They focus on OTHER THINGS in life! Some people do stuff other than build PCs and play games. I, for example, go to school. That's where I learned grammar and punctuation - something many people seem to lack. However, even those people who lack these skills are still human, and just as much so as myself.
Peace out.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

and where was i bashing PC's? i seem to remember even saying i love pc gaming...my whole point to this...which you seem to have lost...is that console buyers have there reasons for doing so...so what if its artificially controlled...thats the way it is

The way it is being artificially generated by the companies doesn't make consoles better it makes their creators better marketers, not the consoles better tools.

Your points are based on misonceptions, all of which have nothing to do with the consoles themselves so much as the fact that users aren't smart enough or organized enough to change the status quo. And what you are trying to refute is the concept that console users and their consoles are simple, none of your comments do that properly, and then you do the console way of thinking 'that's the way it is'.

But seriously, you talk about controllers as a difference, which they arne't then the artificially controlled aspects. So if there's nothing else, then I guess your done other than your red cheeks.

 

[rwaritsdario]

First of all I replied to myself because nobody else that replied to me is worth replying to.
Second, I aprecciate TheGreatGrapeApe's help in defending my point of view, but seriously dont waste your time.

All the things you (the ppl who replied to me) said that concern computer problems (noise, etc) can be fixed, youre just too new to know how.

Computers are OBIOUSLY more expensive because theyre inifite times more productive than consoles, playing games is just a big bonus for them, not their main function.

Since were talking about gaming, I assumed people would catch up and assume that my ""true" person"/""simple" person" statements actually meant "true gamer"/"simple gamer".

If you have better things in life than building your own computer I congratulate you. Just dont call yourself a real gamer or enthusiast because even if you play the game 10hrs a day youll be in the same level as a 7yrs whos as obsessed as you.

Its about being passionate about one thing in life, the thing we all (or so I thought before this thread) should be passionate about. The satifaction of looking at your case window and admiring your work, playing oblivion maxed out and thinking "man MY (not every other machine selled by million are the globe) computer is a beast", reaching a 5Ghz OC on a C2D, all these things are what make it worth it.

 

[prozac26]

oh why do i drone on, let this thread burn in hell.

Well said. No point of arguing, we all know PCs pwn consoles.

 

[bliq]

The primary thing I dislike about consoles compared to PCs is the relative lack of range of controllability. The controllers on consoles are limiting to me. There's no equivalent of the mouse in consoles when used to "look around" in first person games. The second joystick is just too slow and not intuitive enough for me, when considering the ability to guage speed and accuracy of how you're looking around.

3rd person is more OK, but it's not as immersive enough for me. I like first person better.

Other than that, I've enjoyed a few console games, especially right after I bought my 61in big screen. I just planted a comfy chair in the middle of my living room and played for a couple days...

 

[prozac26]

The PC one looks much sharper.

 

[rquinn19]

Preffering a PC over a limited console does not mean you dont have friends that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard in my life.

Yes i find sports games "if i played them" better on a console mearly becuase its one of the few games that seems to play better on a controler course if i wanted to play one i would just buy a controler for my computer and do it.

I didnt mean to imply PC gamers have no friends what I'm saying is that if you and your friends play videogames most are easier on a console.

Most sports games (just about all but soccer) are better on consoles flatout. Playing on a PC with a gamepad doesnt make it better or even just as good as the console.


And comparing the most graphics intensive game on the PC to the console counterpart isn't even fair, but i'll agree that games of that and certain other genres are better on the PC.

 

[TheGodfather]

Well i have one question which i can never get the answer?Why lets say a game like Hitman blood money looks better on xbox 360 then on a pc with like core 2 duo and 7950 gtxs and 2 gb and etc.(the good stuff)

For me i had a comparison of my pc and xbox 360 standing on one end my xbox 360 and my pc on the other i picked the same place and i split the screen on my tv so xbox and pc were on the same screen.And i saw the diffrence xbox 360 had better gaphics.WHY?

 

[kaotao]

hmm, i heard the game was nerfed for the pc in terms of visula quality due to how it was done on the console but i may be wrong.

Yeah, that's what I've been hearing. They could've at least made the draw distances as good as Far Cry.

 

[kaotao]

Yeah, I'll agree with that.

 

[enforcer22]

I first looked at those screen shots. first one i thought didnt know console graphics were that blurry then i saw the second one and thought ok maybe they arent then noticed it was from a pc screen shot lol. Anyways sports games arent exactly the fun to play by your self games and internet play would just be silly IMO same with racing games. Probly the only games i would ever play on a console cuz there isnt alot of point to playing on a computer. For the guy who says his xbox has better graphics on that one game i never heard of. Try using a resalution on your computer that doesnt suck like 1600x1200+ my personal fave is 1920x1440 however my new monitor only does 1920x1200.

 

[enforcer22]

Granted they have to take out a good chunk of graphics to port it to a console but with the hardware currently available in the xbox i would have expected something better looking. Funny thing is most of the PC graphic quality alot of people dont see alot of times (like my friends who play consoles) because they havent seen what the top graphics look like. alot of it is more subtle then textures its the ammount of things in the sceen like people mentioned before like the shrubs. Dunno doesnt really matter if you can see it or not fact is consoles are and always will be behind when it comes to hardware. And the person who mentioned hte noise in a PC (not that i could care about it) you can build a computer thats quiet not to mention how loud consoles are now they even make liquid cooling for them not to mention the external fans you can now buy for htem to cool them mini computers down which is all a console is anymore a computer stripped down to do one thing.

 

[dean7]

I first looked at those screen shots. first one i thought didnt know console graphics were that blurry then i saw the second one and thought ok maybe they arent then noticed it was from a pc screen shot lol. Anyways sports games arent exactly the fun to play by your self games and internet play would just be silly IMO same with racing games. Probly the only games i would ever play on a console cuz there isnt alot of point to playing on a computer. For the guy who says his xbox has better graphics on that one game i never heard of. Try using a resalution on your computer that doesnt suck like 1600x1200+ my personal fave is 1920x1440 however my new monitor only does 1920x1200.

My monitor only goes to 1280X1024 and even at that resolution that game looked miles better and cleaner on the PC.

He just doesnt have something set right.

Well, there are a lot of reasons why the game could look better/cleaner on the PC besides the fact that "PCs are just better and they pwn xbox". I'm not saying that PCs aren't superior, I'm just saying that it's not quite as cut and dry as you are making it out to be. My friend has a super sharp HDTV, and Oblivion looks pretty dang good compared to my PC (and I have a Sony PremierePro 23" LCD, which is not a bad monitor). Check this SS of XB360 version:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/viewer.aspx?productId=1069&assetTypeId=1&shotId=0

Plus, a lot of people might like the idea of gaming at their entertainment centers because they have $ invested in sound already, they like the idea of playing on a 52" HDTV instead of a 23" PC monitor, or they might not have the budget for a gaming PC. I'm not advocating that we all run out and buy a console. I'm just saying that there are a lot of factors to consider.

By the way, I hope you see the irony of the fact that you can't spell "resolution" yet you are rebuking somebody for their stupidity when it comes to "using a resalution on your computer that doesnt suck". Priceless...

 

[narhic_fd]

LOL, okay im reading this and wonder were this topic went. Im just doing a essay on this subject. Yes im buying a 360 so they can play , Games, like what i intended the pc to be for, but lets face it, most of the games on the pc aren't really ment for my younger brothers. Now to mention you can be far more comftroble on you bed playing a game vs. sitting at a computer chair. Well, have to go finish my essay.

 

[kaotao]

I first looked at those screen shots. first one i thought didnt know console graphics were that blurry then i saw the second one and thought ok maybe they arent then noticed it was from a pc screen shot lol. Anyways sports games arent exactly the fun to play by your self games and internet play would just be silly IMO same with racing games. Probly the only games i would ever play on a console cuz there isnt alot of point to playing on a computer. For the guy who says his xbox has better graphics on that one game i never heard of. Try using a resalution on your computer that doesnt suck like 1600x1200+ my personal fave is 1920x1440 however my new monitor only does 1920x1200.

My monitor only goes to 1280X1024 and even at that resolution that game looked miles better and cleaner on the PC.

He just doesnt have something set right.

Well, there are a lot of reasons why the game could look better/cleaner on the PC besides the fact that "PCs are just better and they pwn xbox". I'm not saying that PCs aren't superior, I'm just saying that it's not quite as cut and dry as you are making it out to be. My friend has a super sharp HDTV, and Oblivion looks pretty dang good compared to my PC (and I have a Sony PremierePro 23" LCD, which is not a bad monitor). Check this SS of XB360 version:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/viewer.aspx?productId=1069&assetTypeId=1&shotId=0

Plus, a lot of people might like the idea of gaming at their entertainment centers because they have $ invested in sound already, they like the idea of playing on a 52" HDTV instead of a 23" PC monitor, or they might not have the budget for a gaming PC. I'm not advocating that we all run out and buy a console. I'm just saying that there are a lot of factors to consider.

By the way, I hope you see the irony of the fact that you can't spell "resolution" yet you are rebuking somebody for their stupidity when it comes to "using a resalution on your computer that doesnt suck". Priceless...

Hey teacher, learn how to use the reply function. RobsX2 didn't say that, yet your reply was to him. Now that's irony... :roll:

 

[buckiller]

Well i have one question which i can never get the answer?Why lets say a game like Hitman blood money looks better on xbox 360 then on a pc with like core 2 duo and 7950 gtxs and 2 gb and etc.(the good stuff)

For me i had a comparison of my pc and xbox 360 standing on one end my xbox 360 and my pc on the other i picked the same place and i split the screen on my tv so xbox and pc were on the same screen.And i saw the diffrence xbox 360 had better gaphics.WHY?

I agree generally with Godfather....

Maybe not in this example... but in some other games (im talkin xbox regular here... i dont have any experience with this gen), it does seem that the textures (player modeling) are better on the consoles with the low resolutions...even on the PC if you bump the res up the texture sizes/quality dont get that much better.

I think its strange too... ive just now in the past 2 years notice PCs really get ahead notabley with all the effects being added...

 

[ryokinshin]

unless ur an idoit, u play for the games not the hardware

pcs will always be technilogically better and consoles will always hav more variety of games. and for the big noobs, instead of spending over a grand for a high end comp and jus getting a nxt gen console, lets hate someone jus cuz he bought a console, great logic

who cares wat kind of hardware he/she is plaing a game on as long as they arent pumping big rigs it shouldnt really matter

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

unless ur an idoit, u play for the games not the hardware

Yes but Zelda looks much better on the Cube than on the original NES now doesn't it, so how much is hardware driven? Games can't be better without better hardware. Anyone, but an idiot, should understand that.

pcs will always be technilogically better

Technically speaking the Xbox 360 is still technologically superior to PCs in the graphics department and was superior at launch in the CPU department, however it still depends on whether anyone can exploit those advantgages.

and consoles will always hav more variety of games.

Care to prove that?
I doubt you could with even just retail games, let alone shareware games.

and for the big noobs, instead of spending over a grand for a high end comp and jus getting a nxt gen console,

And then spending equally more for games...

lets hate someone jus cuz he bought a console, great logic

It's not about hate, it's about the fasehoods and fantasies of console supporters.

Like peiple who mention, sport and controllers as advantages, I played EA's NHL 98-2k2, TigerWoods, and F1 2000 on my 27" screen with friends and various controllers from the Logitech rumbe pad to the USB versions of the Xbox controllers.

If consoles were so standalone great why do they try to lock developers into exlusivity deals?

Without those, there'd likely be alot less consoles and alot less console gamers.

Overall both are enjoyable, but when comparing the two there is no comparison. As hs already been mentioned far too many features and options are missing on Consoles, the only thing they win at is ease of use, and that's mainly because they are so limited and restricted that an on/off button is all you need.

 

[antikristuseke]

Youve gotta be kidding...LCD is small but to protect it its not easy to carry around cant just throw it in your bag.

How much do you have to pay for a laptop that will even remotely game like a console...Gaming on a laptop isnt much fun with friends. Hook up the TV out and its not gonna look good on any laptops that arent TOP TOP end. TV out doesnt look that good anyways without a top of the line graphics card which will cost as much as if not more than the console.

About LCDs, ofcourse you dont just throw it into a bag carelessly like a 5 year old, but protecting it from damage is not exactly rocket science either.
About the price thing, which i never touched, consoles have an advantage for sure, no doubt about that, but what they lack is upgradeability and have less things to tinker arround with which appeals to people like me.
A laptop that games like a console would cost you a shitload, a mini pc would be less expensive and a bit larger.

 

[impreza]

The bottomline of my opinions is that people that only swear by PC gaming dont have any real friends (people they can actually touch not someone 300 miles away over the internet or someone they dont really know at a LAN party). PC's are great for individual use (gaming over the internet or single player).

Right, PC's arent that difficult to move, in fact me and my friends have had mini lan parties on several occasions. Anyway all this console vs pc stuff is bullshit since there are only subjective views on the mater and there is objective view in existance.
I do, however, swear by the PC and see consoles as nothing more than a distraction for games developers giving them less time to develop great pc games, but each to their own.

Its that simle to take your PC with you on a road trip for entertainment in a hotel? U really cant say its that easy when you need the bigger case and your display keyboard and whatever else.
a laptop is much easier to take with you than xbox but psp is much easier. But a laptop can be use to put your photos on when the camera runs out of room.

 

[ryokinshin]

unless ur an idoit, u play for the games not the hardware

Yes but Zelda looks much better on the Cube than on the original NES now doesn't it, so how much is hardware driven? Games can't be better without better hardware. Anyone, but an idiot, should understand that.

pcs will always be technologically better

Technically speaking the Xbox 360 is still technologically superior to PCs in the graphics department and was superior at launch in the CPU department, however it still depends on whether anyone can exploit those advantgages.

and consoles will always hav more variety of games.

Care to prove that?
I doubt you could with even just retail games, let alone shareware games.

and for the big noobs, instead of spending over a grand for a high end comp and jus getting a nxt gen console,

And then spending equally more for games...

lets hate someone jus cuz he bought a console, great logic

It's not about hate, it's about the fasehoods and fantasies of console supporters.

Like peiple who mention, sport and controllers as advantages, I played EA's NHL 98-2k2, TigerWoods, and F1 2000 on my 27" screen with friends and various controllers from the Logitech rumbe pad to the USB versions of the Xbox controllers.

If consoles were so standalone great why do they try to lock developers into exlusivity deals?

Without those, there'd likely be alot less consoles and alot less console gamers.

Overall both are enjoyable, but when comparing the two there is no comparison. As hs already been mentioned far too many features and options are missing on Consoles, the only thing they win at is ease of use, and that's mainly because they are so limited and restricted that an on/off button is all you need.

i meant the argument over comp vs console hardware, all nxt gen consoles and a new pc are great, but for me anyways i dont buy it to get an xb360, obviously i look at hardware and features, but i look at the games coming out for each system and decide wat i want more based off that first instead should i side with microsoft or sony or nintendo. for pcs im talking scalability of games and the fact that new parts are released every 6 months

i was being a little too vague with that variety of games thing, but a lot of big titles, rpgs for example the shadow hearts series, valkerie profile, mass effect. games that wont come out on pc because developers jus dont make them for pcs, but i kno that this is a pointless argument and yet ppl stil side with something like its the end of the world