PSU tier list 2.0

[jankerson]

What is considerable is the fact that out of the thousands, if not tens of thousands of people, who through even just the last few years have come here and received similar advice concerning a poor quality power supply, you are the ONLY one I've seen come back and say "well, I ignored your advice and now one year later my system is still working fine."

THE.ONLY.ONE

You'd think out of all the thousands of people, if there was fault in the advice there'd surely be more than one. Why is that? Because you are the only person out of thousands who ignored the advice? Doubtful.

Because out of the thousands you are the only one who thought of coming back to refute the advice? Even more doubtful, because anybody who HAD thought they knew better and ignored it would have felt the same as you do and would have wanted to come back and gloat about it.

You've gotten lucky, and that's ALL it is.

If any of it's actually fact in the 1st place as we don't know what the said PSU is, what the system specs are, how long it actually has been since they bought the said PSU or if it's been just sitting in a box for said amount of time.

And even if they do actually have said PSU (whatever it is) we don't know the system use, could be powered on once a month or twice a year.

All we have is some dude saying they have had some POS garbage power supply shaped object for 4 years.

And that is it.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I've seen plenty of people saying 'but it's worked fine for years'.

The issue is risk: it's a low-ish chance of a high-impact event. Humans notoriously underestimate these.

If there's as much as a 1% chance of it blowing up or catching fire in the next year, it should be replaced ASAP. And yet, that means that 99/100 people that don't follow that advice will still say "everything's fine"

I 100% do not agree with this. Especially not when there are case after case after case of testing facilities like Corsair, for example, that could demonstrably show units (Not exactly bottom of the barrel either, just poor quality) not only NOT meeting their RATED capabilities, but burning up, repeatedly, test after test.

I do agree that it's not going to be in every case in the real world, but I think the risks are actually more real than your statements give credit to.

 

[Darkbreeze]

If any of it's actually fact in the 1st place as we don't know what the said PSU is, what the system specs are, how long it actually has been since they bought the said PSU or if it's been just sitting in a box for said amount of time.

And even if they do actually have said PSU (whatever it is) we don't know the system use, could be powered on once a month or twice a year.

All we have is some dude saying they have had some POS garbage power supply shaped object for 4 years.

And that is it.

Well, yes, I have to totally agree with that too.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Risk analysis should be up to the owner of a power supply. It's probably worth the risk of a PSU dying and killing the whole computer to save some money for some people. This is because it's just a computer, it's something much less significant than something like a car or a human being's life.

It's like buying the warranty at Best Buy on a product. You are paying extra money to ensure there is more safety, but the risk of failure is low so it's probably not worth buying warranties on items. Likewise, some people don't want to pay more for safer PSUs.

 

[Karadjgne]

You just spent over $1000 on a decent grade gaming pc. And you want to scrimp $30-40 on the psu? Thats just beyond moronic.

 

[Darkbreeze]

And on into dangerously idiotic territory.

 

[goldstone77]

I think this speculation falls into the category of "they just don't know any better." Lots of people like to buy insurance, because they understand the risks involved of not having it.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I thought we were talking about people who DID know better, having been informed by members here, but chose not to do so in direct conflict with the proffered advice? I don't think that qualifies as "didn't know any better" LOL.

 

[goldstone77]

Yeah, you got a point.

 

[Karadjgne]

Blah. Most of the time insurance/warranties are an extra cost or sales gimmick that turns out to be absolutely useless. Not so long ago you could get a Corsair CX that came with a 3 year warranty for $30. Just how many ppl do you think went through the hassle of warranty claim, time, shipping fees etc after that psu died in 18 months, VS the amount of ppl who just chucked it in the bin and replaced it.

 

[goldstone77]

I was thinking of protections on PSU's when I made the comment, not warranty specifically. Cheap chinese crap can have 3 year warranty's, but it cost you more money to ship it back than it did to buy it.

 

[Darkbreeze]

And therein lies the rub. A cheap PSU fails, and has no protections, you lose other stuff too, maybe a fire in extreme cases.

A half decent or good PSU fails, that has good protections, you RMA or replace the unit, no harm no foul to other stuff.

So I guess it's mostly a matter of which scenario you can better live with.

 

[jankerson]

I thought we were talking about people who DID know better, having been informed by members here, but chose not to do so in direct conflict with the proffered advice? I don't think that qualifies as "didn't know any better" LOL.

If a person doesn't know then they have an excuse.

Now if they are told about it and choose to ignore it then makes them an idiot.

 

[Karadjgne]

Ignorance is bliss. And many ppl are happy with their purchases because the salesman convinced them they got a bargain. Why spend $70 for a 550w when they can get 700w for a mere $39.99.

 

[jankerson]

Ignorance is bliss. And many ppl are happy with their purchases because the salesman convinced them they got a bargain. Why spend $70 for a 550w when they can get 700w for a mere $39.99.

Seen a lot of that over the years off and on.

Salespeople telling people the wrong thing, I normally just walk away when I hear them telling people because I just don't want to get involved.

 

[Karadjgne]

Not me, I'll educate the person real quick like and make that salesperson look like a tool. I had a customer one time come in and wanted to put a pos psu in a decent (at the time) pc. I refused, and explained why. A week later I had ppl coming in saying that customer sent them.

 

[jankerson]

Not me, I'll educate the person real quick like and make that salesperson look like a tool. I had a customer one time come in and wanted to put a pos psu in a decent (at the time) pc. I refused, and explained why. A week later I had ppl coming in saying that customer sent them.

I don't get involved.

Now there used to be a good Computer Store around me and a few of the guys knew me so they would ask me stuff when I was in there, even with the customer right there.

But that is different.

 

[Karadjgne]

I've sold electronics out of my trunk (I know, but it was work), I've sold pc's, parts, cars even Kirby and Filter Queen vacuums, but I refuse to be shady. It's not worth it. My last 3 cars I drug the wife along as it's the only way I'd come home with the car I wanted, otherwise I'd just walk away from the sale. Shady salesmen get on my last nerve.

 

[jankerson]

I've sold electronics out of my trunk (I know, but it was work), I've sold pc's, parts, cars even Kirby and Filter Queen vacuums, but I refuse to be shady. It's not worth it. My last 3 cars I drug the wife along as it's the only way I'd come home with the car I wanted, otherwise I'd just walk away from the sale. Shady salesmen get on my last nerve.

I know what you mean. 😀

 

[turkey3_scratch]

You just spent over $1000 on a decent grade gaming pc. And you want to scrimp $30-40 on the psu? Thats just beyond moronic.

If it is in somebody's best interests then it's not moronic. We don't really know what someone else's best interests are, only they do.

 

[USAFRet]

You just spent over $1000 on a decent grade gaming pc. And you want to scrimp $30-40 on the psu? Thats just beyond moronic.

If it is in somebody's best interests then it's not moronic. We don't really know what someone else's best interests are, only they do.

Often, they are not aware of what is in their best interests.
Cheaping out like that is not, 99% of the time.

Often, you have to lead them to the answer they did not know they needed. Sometimes kicking and screaming.

 

[jankerson]

Especially when it comes to PSU's as it seems MOST people think that is the place to cut costs so they buy the cheapest thing they can get.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I was about to say, it's not EVER in ANYBODY's self interest to cheap out on the one thing that can ruin everything else. Anybody who believes that is either befuddled or besotted.

 

[jankerson]

I was about to say, it's not EVER in ANYBODY's self interest to cheap out on the one thing that can ruin everything else. Anybody who believes that is either befuddled or besotted.

I don't think they really get it.

All they see is the POS they are looking at and what that costs....

Then we recommend something that likely costs twice what that POS costs, maybe more.

Luckily it seems some people aren't really that far off so the recommendations are only like $20 more or so.

 

[USAFRet]

Like this guy:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3583394/boosting-125-budget-setup.html#20563765

£20 case with included 500watt PSU
"What's so bad about the PSU anyway... isn't a500w PSU a 500w PSU..? "