PSU tier list 2.0

[jankerson]

Let me re-post this quote from you:

What is considerable is the fact that out of the thousands, if not tens of thousands of people, who through even just the last few years have come here and received similar advice concerning a poor quality power supply, you are the ONLY one I've seen come back and say "well, I ignored your advice and now one year later my system is still working fine."

THE.ONLY.ONE

You'd think out of all the thousands of people, if there was fault in the advice there'd surely be more than one. Why is that? Because you are the only person out of thousands who ignored the advice? Doubtful.

Because out of the thousands you are the only one who thought of coming back to refute the advice? Even more doubtful, because anybody who HAD thought they knew better and ignored it would have felt the same as you do and would have wanted to come back and gloat about it.

You've gotten lucky, and that's ALL it is.

No, it doesn't specifically call out fires. However, I read it as saying that you find it extremely rare that a cheap PSU could last one year, let alone four, and started accusing them of essentially cherry-picking data, or being an aberration.

99% of people will ignore your post, forget about it, and not come back to gloat or apologize whether it fails or not.

To be fair this guy, the OP could be a troll, here is the post.

My tier 5 PSU that you guys told me would blow up in my face any day now over a year ago is still doing perfectly fine. It's about 4 years old now! Should I buy a lottery ticket? Ask out the next pretty girl I see? Or is it actually just incredibly uncommon for anyone to actually have an issue with the majority of brands you guys say are death sentences. It's like going on forums and reading how someones brand new VW blew up after 8000 miles, yet there are thousands and thousands of people who never have a problem with theirs but enjoy the great value and performance.

I know what that sounds like to me. It is doubtful at best that a Tier 5 PSU would last if it was used in any sort of PC that actually draws some power and actually gets used. Maybe in an office machine that uses like 100w if it's not used a lot.

But start putting one of those things into a machine that draws real power and hooking up gaming cards etc then it's very doubtful one would last very long.

 

[Darkbreeze]

He could, but I rather think he's not as he did in fact post questions here about a little more than a year ago, more like 1.5 years.

 

[jankerson]

He could, but I rather think he's not as he did in fact post questions here about a little more than a year ago, more like 1.5 years.

Any idea what the systems specs are, or what PSU it is?

 

[Darkbreeze]

He has a TR2 unit, but never provided anybody with the information necessary to tell if it was an older or newer TR2, on an overclocked FX-8350 system with an overclocked GTX 970.

So, it was either the newer model, or he was very lucky like I said. And it's not like I was the only person telling him it there was a high probability of it being junk.

My parting shot was:

If your unit is a newer TR2 you may not have any issues, but it's still not a high quality unit. If it's an older TR2, you'll have problems sooner or later.

So, I don't think ANYBODY definitively told him that it was a POS, for certain, because he never specified which unit he had or provided the information necessary for somebody else to do it. So either way, it was either a newer unit, he's just been very lucky or the system has never actually been pushed at all although even that would be surprising on the older TR2 units as I've personally seen several of them cause issues even in systems without discreet graphics cards and no overclocking.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list/page-39.html



In fact, THAT exact power supply series is what brought me to TH in the first place, and while I was not clueless about power supplies in general, even then, I didn't know anything and couldn't find much out there specifically on that series of unit.

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2194316/likelihood-psu-failure.html


So yeah, I don't think he was given any bad advice, I think he simply didn't provide enough information for anybody to give him fully accurate advice. He was told the following by ko888 but never bothered coming back to reply so somebody could follow up the advice that was given.

Of the models, that you've listed, only the TR2-700AL2NC-A and TR-700AL2NC-B have the 5 Year warranty. Both use CWT as the OEM. The TR-700AL2NC-B doesn't seem to be as widely available.

The TR2-700AH2NFB and TR2-700AH2NF use FSP as the OEM. These models only have a 3 Year warranty.

The TR2 models that should definitely be avoided are the ones that use HEC as the OEM.

There seems to be a single letter in the model number that indicates the OEM: C for CWT, F for FSP and H for HEC.

E.g. Thermaltake TR2 W0388RU TR2-600NL2NH uses HEC as the OEM.

 

[jankerson]

Ok, I see know.

Those TR2's are bad news for sure, seen a few here lately on the forums that caused major issues with systems.

Thanks for the background on it, I see were you are coming from now with this and I am glad that TH was able to help you back then.

 

[Karadjgne]

From what I've seen over the years, it's been the HEC units that have had the widest distribution, and unfortunately TT is a major pc brand that is also worldwide. Psu hunting in places like the indo-asian market, it's a contest between Corsair, TT, and Seasonic usually for brand name units, the Seasonic units can be double or more the price of similar wattage TR2's. That coupled with the 'more power is better' sales techniques, why buy a 520w Seasonic when a 700w TR2 is cheaper, leads to further issues. Tiger Direct used the same technique with barebones pc's and 'free' or 'discounted' Ultra psus. Brand recognition is a Beast.

 

[jankerson]

From what I've seen over the years, it's been the HEC units that have had the widest distribution, and unfortunately TT is a major pc brand that is also worldwide. Psu hunting in places like the indo-asian market, it's a contest between Corsair, TT, and Seasonic usually for brand name units, the Seasonic units can be double or more the price of similar wattage TR2's. That coupled with the 'more power is better' sales techniques, why buy a 520w Seasonic when a 700w TR2 is cheaper, leads to further issues. Tiger Direct used the same technique with barebones pc's and 'free' or 'discounted' Ultra psus. Brand recognition is a Beast.

I noticed that also, it's like TT junk compared to a Corsair VS or a green CX then there is Seasonic that costs a lot more.

So they end up with a TT or Corsair VS normally.

 

[Karadjgne]

As do all their friends, family, acquaintances, online game friends etc. And by the time the unit kicks the bucket, they've saved up and bought something else, never saying a word about their prior choice unless called out on the new psu, to which they reply 'I upgraded for more power'. It's the Amazon or newegg review theory. Everyone gets 5 stars for fast shipping or works great (when new) but you are hard pressed to find a review edited 2 years later and dropped to 1 star for 'it failed'. Ppl just move on and hope nobody sees the 5star bragging.

 

[jankerson]

As do all their friends, family, acquaintances, online game friends etc. And by the time the unit kicks the bucket, they've saved up and bought something else, never saying a word about their prior choice unless called out on the new psu, to which they reply 'I upgraded for more power'

As we pound our head against the wall. LOL

 

[StanicEnemy]

This topic hasnt been updated for long,no?

 

[Deleted member 217926]

It's beyond obsolete. The thread creator moved on and hasn't been seen in a year and a half.

 

[sz0ty0l4]

Hey everyone! I'm planning on buying a strix 1080ti OC edition next month... and i'll get a new PSU this month to support the upcoming card.
It will be paired with a stock i7-4790

I was thinking about FSP hydro G 750W, it's available at my local store with 5years warranty. What do you think about the unit? Does anyone have a better suggestion maybe?

Kind regards

 

[logainofhades]

Those are supposedly pretty good units. Evga G2/G3 750w with a 10yr warranty is a better choice though, imo.

 

[sz0ty0l4]

Those are supposedly pretty good units. Evga G2/G3 750w with a 10yr warranty is a better choice though, imo.

Yes i was definitely thinking about the EVGA g3 750w, i also like the looks of it and the cables are better, however my issue is that in my country( Hungary) it's only available with a 2 year warranty from local stores, or i could order from amazon which i'm not really familiar with

 

[Darkbreeze]

The FSP Hydro G and Hydro X units have good reviews. They would seem to be good choices if they are among the best of what is available to you AND if there is any kind of warranty service regionally. That's something you need to consider to is whether or not you'll be able to get something replaced without having to send it five countries away and pay more for the shipping there and back than the unit is worth.

 

[sz0ty0l4]

Actually the Hydro G has 5years warranty from the local retailer, i don't understand why they only seem to give 2 for the EVGA.. There are some better units like seasonic , however they seem to be way overpriced here compared to the global price, so i guess the FSP will be the best option to go with...

 

[logainofhades]

The 10yr warranty comes from EVGA itself, not the store. Still it sounds like the Hydro G is a better option for your situation, given your location, though.

 

[sz0ty0l4]

Thx guys, I've just placed the order on it... it should arrive on monday. Hopefulyl it will be as decent and reliable as the reviews suggest

 

[conquista90]

Is the refreshed FSP Hydro GE 650W version still a good PSU?

 

[Karadjgne]

The GE series looks to be basically the same as the G series but doesn't have the semi passive mode. To me, that's 1 less piece of circuitry that could wear out, especially if you do a lot of idle-load back and forth.

 

[regiliobouma]

so any new thread for this? or this complet dead?
cause im curious about lepa maxgold gm700 and b800 mb
cause my oncle has a b800 mb gold for like 1 year even more with 5 rx570 no problem. (or its a 900 gold)
but he god a 700 gold also and that died on first boot with a fury X... and didnt turn on later..
and he bought the 1000 max bronze it died after 2 weeks..

 

[superninja12]

so any new thread for this? or this complet dead?
cause im curious about lepa maxgold gm700 and b800 mb
cause my oncle has a b800 mb gold for like 1 year even more with 5 rx570 no problem. (or its a 900 gold)
but he god a 700 gold also and that died on first boot with a fury X... and didnt turn on later..
and he bought the 1000 max bronze it died after 2 weeks..

here are the current reliable units: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-3612443/power-supply-discussion-thread.html

dont buy stuff from lepa...

 

[regiliobouma]

so any new thread for this? or this complet dead?
cause im curious about lepa maxgold gm700 and b800 mb
cause my oncle has a b800 mb gold for like 1 year even more with 5 rx570 no problem. (or its a 900 gold)
but he god a 700 gold also and that died on first boot with a fury X... and didnt turn on later..
and he bought the 1000 max bronze it died after 2 weeks..

here are the current reliable units: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-3612443/power-supply-discussion-thread.html

dont buy stuff from lepa...

yeah i think my oncle learned his lesson.. 2 lepa broke.. i mean the 700 gold broke on first boot with a fury X like just booting made a sound like u break a glass light bulb and never turned back on... the 1000W just randomly stoped...
he now only want EVGA

 

[Karadjgne]

Don't rely on brands. Most have a range of psus from junk to excellent, Corsair, Evga, Thermaltake, are guilty of that as are many others. The Evga x1 series (B1, G1, nex, W1 etc) aren't that good for a gaming pc, especially with a beast of a card like a FuryX. The Evga x2/x3 series (B2, G2, G3 etc) is very good and a G2/G3 650w or better would be a good choice for that gpu. As would a Corsair RMx 650 or better.

 

[Dj_Fex]

It would be great, if someone could update the info about the cooler master masterwatt maker 1200w MIJ series in the list 😉
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=508

and the non-MIJ model:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=512

Regards