PSU tier list 2.0

[CTurbo]

I also like Seasonic, Seasonic, and Seasonic/Delta! haha


Since when is the Rosewill Capstone series retired?

 

[Darkbreeze]

Since this when:

http://www.orionpsudb.com/news/rosewill-launches-capstone-g-series-discontinues-capstone-series


Different OEM, changed to Enhance, not the same quality as the old Capstone series based on the Golden Green Super Flower platform.

 

[CTurbo]

Eww that's terrible news. I guess I'll just stick to Seasonic, Seasonic, Seasonic, and Delta

 

[Darkbreeze]

You don't like Super Flower built units? Shame on you. 😀

 

[CTurbo]

Of course I do, but I live in the US. The Capstone series was the easiest way to enjoy a Super Flower. RIP *sniff sniff*

 

[Darkbreeze]

Heh. That was true at one point, but the EVGA units based on Golden Green and Leadex are cheaper than those Capstones were anyhow. So cheer up little camper, there's still enough Super Flower goodness to go around.

 

[CTurbo]

Hooray for B2, G2, P2, and T2!!!!!!!!

 

[Darkbreeze]

Heh.

 

[Benjiwenji]

Have you heard anything about the Capstone G series by Enhance? Much of their other series are by serfa, which I think are passable.

Edited Their new Quark series is supposed to be really good.

 

[Karadjgne]

Ugh, just read that article, Evga turning to FSP/HEC, Rosewill turning to Enhance, Corsair RMi already dumped in favor of RMx.... All this after the success of the Super flower designs and general dismal performance of the RM line. Wtf are these ppl thinking? At least CM seems to have a brain expanding the V series into 550w+ range

 

[Darkbreeze]

Don't worry, when the war with China starts and we abandon manufacturing ties with them, everything will be Japanese, and much higher quality. See you in the "after". Ok, I'm kidding. But it could happen. South Korean or better yet Tokyo power supplies anyone? I'm REALLY amazed that there are no Japanese built power supplies on the market to be honest.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

Manufacturing is cheaper in China.

That is a great site. Never seen it before but it's damn sure a needed resource.

Edit: Just created an account but I don't see anywhere to post.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

Ugh, just read that article, Evga turning to FSP/HEC, Rosewill turning to Enhance, Corsair RMi already dumped in favor of RMx.... All this after the success of the Super flower designs and general dismal performance of the RM line. Wtf are these ppl thinking? At least CM seems to have a brain expanding the V series into 550w+ range

Corsair has a longgggg history of changing OEMs and platforms on a seemingly monthly basis. Nothing new there.

 

[CTurbo]

It's no secret that Corsair will go to the lowest bidder every single time quality be damned.

 

[orionfotl]

Manufacturing is cheaper in China.

That is a great site. Never seen it before but it's damn sure a needed resource.

Edit: Just created an account but I don't see anywhere to post.

Website owner here. Creating an account allows you to post comments under news items, or under brand platform pages such as http://www.orionpsudb.com/evga .

Corsair RMi already dumped in favor of RMx....

I think you may have made a typo - RMi isn't dumped in favor of RMx. In the US, there will be RMi everywhere, RMx exclusively in Newegg, and normal RM everywhere. In the world outside of the US, there will be RMi everywhere, normal RM and RMx, with RMx eventually replacing the normal RM.

About the Capstones G - the lower wattage models (550W-750W) are based on a more modern version of the platform from Cooler Master VS, which already performs slightly better than Rosewill Capstone, so I'm certain these will be nice too. It's about the design, not the manufacturer. So let's wait until they get reviewed to be sure. Remember that Super Flower doesn't actually manufacture many of their units for EVGA or other brands - they are made by somebody who most of you really don't like... but they still do use Super Flower's designs, which is why they are really good.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

Well cool. Basically I just wanted to post to tell you what you just quoted. Great site and a needed resource.

I didn't realize SuperFlower didn't actually manufacture those units. Strange that the build quality is maintained if they are farmed out. That's never mentioned in reviews.

 

[Darkbreeze]

they are made by somebody who most of you really don't like... but they still do use Super Flower's designs, which is why they are really good.

So, not to cast doubt on your statements, but I'd be very skeptical about Super Flower, Seasonic or any other OEM allowing other companies to build units for somebody using their platforms and designs without some hand in the process, especially in the area of quality assurance. I could be wrong, but most manufacturers with a good name don't like letting somebody else stomp on their reputations. Especially if it means somebody is going to be saying " X platform" and "poor build quality" in the same sentence. Not that THAT is the case, but you see what I mean. If they start (Super Flower, again, for example) letting Enhance or FSP, as an example, build units for vendors using their own platforms, and they aren't building them to the quality that they would, that would just be a mess in every imaginable way.

Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding what you were stating.

 

[orionfotl]

Super Flower's factory, Jing-Hua, is pretty small. With all the orders they get from EVGA, their own retail arm, and other companies, they have no choice but to outsource production to other contractors to meet the demand - and not to just one factory.

Example: one of such factories is Shenzhen Rui Sheng Yuan Technology, which manufactures part of Super Flower's orders for products based on Golden King, Golden Green and similar designs from this series. Shenzhen Rui Sheng Zuan were also a subcontractor for former Topower and Huntkey.

I rehosted a specification PDF I once accessed from some place, take a look: http://orionpsudb.com/application/files/6614/4282/9355/SFExportSRTC.pdf

They also use some more known companies. Not Enhance or FSP, but it does have three capital letters in its name if you look at it in the right way - and it's usually not associated with quality products at all. And the little quirks that different factories have show in the reviews sometimes - if you look at the reviews of certain lower-end products from EVGA or other brands by SF, you may notice some imperfections in things like soldering quality, with some of them pointed out by the reviewer.
Now they still perform as good as what you'd expect the platform, since it's the same design after all. Just assembled by different people, which I don't think is a big deal at all when the occasional QC slips are kept under control. Some of Super Flower's contractors don't care about the quality of their own units, but when they are ordered to make products for Super Flower, they both (the OEM and Super Flower) make sure to do their best.

 

[stavrosmast]

I disagree 4gb are very but very useful and I personally regreted not getting the 4gb version (i got the 2gb). About the psu. Get a corsair,thermaltake,seasonic,xfx,evga psu only with 80 plus gold + certification. I got the corsair vs650 but in the tier list its very low than i expected..

Yeah, there is basically no difference between 2gb and 4gb 960s. Unless you SLI them (pointless anyway with cards like this) the 4gb doesn't even get used.

In what situations are you seeing your card's vRAM max out?

Also, forget Thermaltake. They make more junk than solid stuff. Generally not a good brand to recommend. There are tons of GOOD quality bronze units, so recommending only GOLD units is not a good idea as well.

I have seen it maxed out in a lot of games like gta v,batman arkham knight,ac unity,shadow of mordor (med textures), The witcher 3, cod aw and many more.. Thats why I will probobly sell it in a few months and save up some more for nvidia pascal or gtx 980 ti Depending on the prices at the time i ll buy it

 

[JaxAxRho]

Super Flower's factory, Jing-Hua, is pretty small. With all the orders they get from EVGA, their own retail arm, and other companies, they have no choice but to outsource production to other contractors to meet the demand - and not to just one factory.

As an engineer, I can understand this. May not have had personal experience with it, but we see it sometimes, even here.

I rehosted a specification PDF I once accessed from some place, take a look: http://orionpsudb.com/application/files/6614/4282/9355/SFExportSRTC.pdf

🙁 wish I wasn't an ignorant American...

They also use some more known companies. Not Enhance or FSP, but it does have three capital letters in its name if you look at it in the right way - and it's usually not associated with quality products at all. And the little quirks that different factories have show in the reviews sometimes - if you look at the reviews of certain lower-end products from EVGA or other brands by SF, you may notice some imperfections in things like soldering quality, with some of them pointed out by the reviewer.
Now they still perform as good as what you'd expect the platform, since it's the same design after all. Just assembled by different people, which I don't think is a big deal at all when the occasional QC slips are kept under control. Some of Super Flower's contractors don't care about the quality of their own units, but when they are ordered to make products for Super Flower, they both (the OEM and Super Flower) make sure to do their best.

Really funny you mention the soldering as I've seen that mentioned in quite a few reviews. I have an EVGA by SuperFlower and I'm glad it's still the base platform, but I wish it had been built by Super Flower exclusively. Any chance they'll be expanding so as to cut back on the subcontracting??

 

[JaxAxRho]

Ugh, just read that article, Evga turning to FSP/HEC, Rosewill turning to Enhance, Corsair RMi already dumped in favor of RMx.... All this after the success of the Super flower designs and general dismal performance of the RM line. Wtf are these ppl thinking? At least CM seems to have a brain expanding the V series into 550w+ range

What article is this? I didn't see it... And I would like to read it.

 

[Darkbreeze]

The link is posted above. Here it is again:

http://www.orionpsudb.com/news/rosewill-launches-capstone-g-series-discontinues-capstone-series

 

[Darkbreeze]

Super Flower's factory, Jing-Hua, is pretty small. With all the orders they get from EVGA, their own retail arm, and other companies, they have no choice but to outsource production to other contractors to meet the demand - and not to just one factory.

Example: one of such factories is Shenzhen Rui Sheng Yuan Technology, which manufactures part of Super Flower's orders for products based on Golden King, Golden Green and similar designs from this series. Shenzhen Rui Sheng Zuan were also a subcontractor for former Topower and Huntkey.

I rehosted a specification PDF I once accessed from some place, take a look: http://orionpsudb.com/application/files/6614/4282/9355/SFExportSRTC.pdf

They also use some more known companies. Not Enhance or FSP, but it does have three capital letters in its name if you look at it in the right way - and it's usually not associated with quality products at all. And the little quirks that different factories have show in the reviews sometimes - if you look at the reviews of certain lower-end products from EVGA or other brands by SF, you may notice some imperfections in things like soldering quality, with some of them pointed out by the reviewer.
Now they still perform as good as what you'd expect the platform, since it's the same design after all. Just assembled by different people, which I don't think is a big deal at all when the occasional QC slips are kept under control. Some of Super Flower's contractors don't care about the quality of their own units, but when they are ordered to make products for Super Flower, they both (the OEM and Super Flower) make sure to do their best.

Seems reasonable I suppose. I wasn't aware that any of the top name manufacturers were farming work to facilities outside their own sphere of control though. Good to know. On the flip side, welcome to the site and I'd just like to say that it would be nice to have another member who contributes to this conversation, at least, that has additional insights on the platform side of things. Some of this information is difficult to come by without resources like yours. Always good to have an additional resource.

Guess that also answers the question as to why some units, like those that get good reviews on one site, even as far as build quality goes, and something totally different on another site. Seems some of those units that get glowing reviews are likely to have come from primary building locations and then the ones we actually see, that exhibit problems not reflected in those reviews, may be likely to have come from these secondary build locations/companies.

 

[JaxAxRho]

The link is posted above. Here it is again:

http://www.orionpsudb.com/news/rosewill-launches-capstone-g-series-discontinues-capstone-series

Maybe I'm just blind, but I didn't read a dang thing about EVGA in that article?? Nor Corsair...

 

[Darkbreeze]

It's in separate articles on the same website.