Radeon R9 295X2 vs Nvidia Titan Z

[Brantyn Gerik]

Yep, glad to see the discussion was for the most part mature Though i expect to see some new discussion once the cards are actually released.

 

[x86overclock]

"and the new titan z should be faster i mean the nvidia is 10x times better at performance and the titan z is 3000$ this radeon card is 1500$"

If you have no idea about the performance of high end GPU why do you make assumptions like "nvidia is 10x times better at performance"? The Titan Z has not been reviewed yet but the performance of the 295X is very likly better. Nvidia wants 3000$ because they think they can demand 3000$ that's all there is to it.

10 X is an exaggeration the original Titan is slower than the R9 290X and the Titan Black edition is barely faster than the R9 290X not to mention AMD cards have better performance in Crossfire than Nvidia has in SLI for example if you took 1 GTX 580 and put it up against 1 HD 6970 the Nvidia the GTX 580 has better performance but if you put 2 GTX 580's against 2 HD 6970s the HD 6970s will out perform the GTX 580s you can look these performance benchmarks up anywhere such as the dual GPU versions of these cards, the HD 6990 beats the GTX 590. So there is a very good chance the AMD R9 295x2 (Dual R9290X GPU) will beat the Nvidia Titan-Z (Dual Titan Black Edition GPU) in gaming performance.

 

[Brantyn Gerik]

Newest drivers have greatly improved sli performance (over 20% in many games), and you should go look at some benchmarks other than anandtech (sorry but i'm personally a little biased against their reviews for being so contradictory to the majority of other reviews and this site may actually have no relation to your information) for gtx 780ti vs 290x comparisons. The 780 is the competition for the 290x. the 290x wins at stock, and they trade blows after overclocking has been applied. The 780ti on the otherhand has quite a large performance lead, and that lead only gets bigger after applying overclocking.

 

[renz496]

"and the new titan z should be faster i mean the nvidia is 10x times better at performance and the titan z is 3000$ this radeon card is 1500$"

If you have no idea about the performance of high end GPU why do you make assumptions like "nvidia is 10x times better at performance"? The Titan Z has not been reviewed yet but the performance of the 295X is very likly better. Nvidia wants 3000$ because they think they can demand 3000$ that's all there is to it.

10 X is an exaggeration the original Titan is slower than the R9 290X and the Titan Black edition is barely faster than the R9 290X not to mention AMD cards have better performance in Crossfire than Nvidia has in SLI for example if you took 1 GTX 580 and put it up against 1 HD 6970 the Nvidia the GTX 580 has better performance but if you put 2 GTX 580's against 2 HD 6970s the HD 6970s will out perform the GTX 580s you can look these performance benchmarks up anywhere such as the dual GPU versions of these cards, the HD 6990 beats the GTX 590. So there is a very good chance the AMD R9 295x2 (Dual R9290X GPU) will beat the Nvidia Titan-Z (Dual Titan Black Edition GPU) in gaming performance.

well back then AMD only focusing on having the highest number. they scale better and have more frame rates but in term of smoothness nvidia still come out at top. HardOCP mention this in every article when they pit SLI and CF together. they always mention that even if nvidia frame rates were in the mid 40s you need CF configuration in the mid 70s to have the same smoothness. while this is known fact AMD seems to ignore this until reviewer finally able to come up with hard data to show this smoothness. to me it doesn't matter whoever wins this dual gpu battle. for the most part it is to serve as a marketing point to have "fastest gpu on the planet". i just hope for the future dual gpu both AMD and nvidia will keep the TDP rate at 300w instead of 500w like we have with 295x2 right now

 

[Brantyn Gerik]

I was kinda hoping for a full watercooled 295x, that extra heat lost by the air cooling would have cooked bacon quite well

 

[TehCaucasianAsian]

PRICE: AMD is the obvious winner
PERFORMANCE: Nobody knows yet, no clear winner
DESIGN: Preference, I prefer AMD, but your milage may vary
POWER CONSUMPTION: Most likely nVidia being the winner, but not certain just yet
SIZE: The 295X2 is 12 inches long, I don't think the Z's length was given just yet. I personally say smaller card wins but we don't know yet.
BENCHMARKS: We don't know how the Z performs yet

Seeing my point yet? We can't compare these cards because we don't really know anything about the Titan Z yet. We can make assumptions but nothing is set in stone for nVidia's offering just yet. I personally predict that AMD will lag a little bit behind in performance, but the design as well as liquid cooling will draw more people in than the Z will. The cards are aimed at different people, as well: the AMD aimed towards the "boutique" system builders who game at 4K, and the nVidia aimed towards those who wish to build top of the line workstations. Even with all of the info needed for comparison, the cards are completely different, there is no real reason to compare them other than to ignite flame wars. I personally like AMD, but will give props to nVidia for being a great competitor and offering many nice cards, but for these two in particular, does it really matter?

 

[x86overclock]

Ofc i don't have the money to buy none of the above but am curious some all cites and pages say that the r9 295x2 is the world fastest gpu am nvidia fan and the new titan z should be faster i mean the nvidia is 10x times better at performance and the titan z is 3000$ this radeon card is 1500$ so is this gpu better than the titan z?

I know you have a lot of people on this forum that are exaggerating the performance differences of these cards, if you are looking at performance and price for gaming the Titan-Z is unnecessary. Yes a Titan Black Edition GPU is slightly faster at stock clocks, but that being said 2 R9 290Xs in Crossfire are faster than 2 Titan Black Editions in SLI these bench marks are available if you just Google them. @ AMD cards in Crossfire is faster than 2 Nvidia Cards in SLI, this is nothing new. For example 1 Nvidia GTX 680 is faster than 1 AMD HD 7970, but 2 HD 7970s in crossfire are faster than 2 GTX 680s in SLI. You are always going to have fan boys of both companies arguing on which is better before they are released. as for AMD's frame pacing issue it was fixed months ago.If you are buying a single GPU card I would recommend an Nvidia Titan but if it's a dual GPU card I recommend an AMD.

 

[Avocade]

Good god let this thread die.... ARGUMENT OVER! Until the Titan-Z is even on the market you can't decide either way! Stop making assumptions either side of the the fanboyism, either party. It's all Irrelevant.

 

[X3R0CAST]

the problem is the two serve two different kind of market. Titan Z is semi pro card while R9 295x2 is a gaming card.

No nvidia gpu card is no were near as powerful as the amd 295x people who post just because there nvidia fans only say nvidia is better because nvidia has failed the gpu market since 2005 there still making 384bit gpu bus cards omg there expensive too boot amd make 512 bit gpu bus cards which gpu bus is wsy mote important then ram bus that really does nothing just give your computer extra memory so it doesnt have to relying on your system memory nothing else the titan z x2 vs the amd 295x2amd wins hands fown check on any site snd compare the specs.!! NVIDIA LOL.

Okay so firstly you are a fan boy. I have personally owned both AMD and Nvidia GPU's, nvidia does ask more for their GPU's but they have native physics, shadowplay, better tesselation (as far as i know correct me if i am wrong) FXAA, adpative Vsync and G-sync (this one only applies to the more extreme).

There is a reason why their cards cost more than Radeon. just like why intel costs more than AMD , when considering you get more features for what like 50$ more to get built in game recording and other game enhancements (though small) they kind of do come out the same, so don't say buying a Nvidia card is not worth it.

Do not make assumptions that the R9 295X2 is better than the Titan-Z, Afterall the card isn't even out yet. Seeing how the Titan Black does perform better than the R9 290X and the R9 295X2 is 2 R9 290X's two titan black's should IN THEORY be better. Granted benchmarks have been done Via doing SLI Titan blacks vs R9 295X2 and the radeon won, But coming to a conclusion the R9 295X2 has watercooling and will most likely be OC'ed whilst doing benchmarks. remove watercooling and your performance will go down drastically. Add it to the Titan blacks have them do a OC to same measures and im sure your performance will be less than the Titan-Z.

Once again this is based upon theory and do not shit yourself while reading this. The Titan-Z has NOT been released yet.

 

[renz496]

Ofc i don't have the money to buy none of the above but am curious some all cites and pages say that the r9 295x2 is the world fastest gpu am nvidia fan and the new titan z should be faster i mean the nvidia is 10x times better at performance and the titan z is 3000$ this radeon card is 1500$ so is this gpu better than the titan z?

I know you have a lot of people on this forum that are exaggerating the performance differences of these cards, if you are looking at performance and price for gaming the Titan-Z is unnecessary. Yes a Titan Black Edition GPU is slightly faster at stock clocks, but that being said 2 R9 290Xs in Crossfire are faster than 2 Titan Black Editions in SLI these bench marks are available if you just Google them. @ AMD cards in Crossfire is faster than 2 Nvidia Cards in SLI, this is nothing new. For example 1 Nvidia GTX 680 is faster than 1 AMD HD 7970, but 2 HD 7970s in crossfire are faster than 2 GTX 680s in SLI. You are always going to have fan boys of both companies arguing on which is better before they are released. as for AMD's frame pacing issue it was fixed months ago.If you are buying a single GPU card I would recommend an Nvidia Titan but if it's a dual GPU card I recommend an AMD.

as long as it is multi gpu the recommendation goes to nvidia first.

 

[smeezekitty]

the problem is the two serve two different kind of market. Titan Z is semi pro card while R9 295x2 is a gaming card.

No nvidia gpu card is no were near as powerful as the amd 295x people who post just because there nvidia fans only say nvidia is better because nvidia has failed the gpu market since 2005 there still making 384bit gpu bus cards omg there expensive too boot amd make 512 bit gpu bus cards which gpu bus is wsy mote important then ram bus that really does nothing just give your computer extra memory so it doesnt have to relying on your system memory nothing else the titan z x2 vs the amd 295x2amd wins hands fown check on any site snd compare the specs.!! NVIDIA LOL.

Okay so firstly you are a fan boy. I have personally owned both AMD and Nvidia GPU's, nvidia does ask more for their GPU's but they have native physics, shadowplay, better tesselation (as far as i know correct me if i am wrong) FXAA, adpative Vsync and G-sync (this one only applies to the more extreme).

There is a reason why their cards cost more than Radeon. just like why intel costs more than AMD , when considering you get more features for what like 50$ more to get built in game recording and other game enhancements (though small) they kind of do come out the same, so don't say buying a Nvidia card is not worth it.

Do not make assumptions that the R9 295X2 is better than the Titan-Z, Afterall the card isn't even out yet. Seeing how the Titan Black does perform better than the R9 290X and the R9 295X2 is 2 R9 290X's two titan black's should IN THEORY be better. Granted benchmarks have been done Via doing SLI Titan blacks vs R9 295X2 and the radeon won, But coming to a conclusion the R9 295X2 has watercooling and will most likely be OC'ed whilst doing benchmarks. remove watercooling and your performance will go down drastically. Add it to the Titan blacks have them do a OC to same measures and im sure your performance will be less than the Titan-Z.

Once again this is based upon theory and do not shit yourself while reading this. The Titan-Z has NOT been released yet.

It is obvious that you, too are a fanboy.
No many how many features (or gimmicks) it has, it is absolutely not worth double the price.

Physx is useless
g-sync is useful but needs a proprietary monitor. Shadow play has a limited market.
Citation needed on the tessellation. FXAA and Adaptive vsync both can be used on AMD with radeonpro

Even if the Titan Z performs 20% better than the 295X2, it doesn't make a bit of difference with that much price gap

 

[Brantyn Gerik]

Anyone complaining about the price of the titan z doesnt seem to realize that it is not primarily a gaming card like the 295x is...for just the double performance alone it makes it fairly worth it for graphics professionals

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

The clock-rates arent going to alter the outcome.

Actually... yes it could alter the outcome.

Remember SLI scaling is not nearly as good as Crossfire scaling. I mean check out HardOCPs Crossfire vs. SLI results HERE. Now if you compare those results to Single GPU results you'll find that the 780 Ti ends up slower once SLI is used compared to a pair of 290x's running Crossfire.

Now nVIDIA's latest drivers claimed to fix this but Extreme Tech did a test and it appears that this is not the case as you can see HERE.

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

Anyone complaining about the price of the titan z doesnt seem to realize that it is not primarily a gaming card like the 295x is...for just the double performance alone it makes it fairly worth it for graphics professionals

Do you happen to read Tomshardware articles? If so did you realize the one they published where they compared the GeForce Titan vs the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition in professional applications? Because if you had (Click HERE) you would have realized that the only reason you believe that Titan is better for the professional market is due to "marketing". People only believe this because nVIDIA proclaims it.

 

[renz496]

so the speculation will come to an end soon?

http://www.techpowerup.com/200170/geforce-gtx-titan-z-market-availability-detailed.html#comments

though i'm not sure nvidia will ever provide review sample to tech site to review the card. the best of all nvidia seems confident to sell this card at 3k a piece 😀

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

so the speculation will come to an end soon?

http://www.techpowerup.com/200170/geforce-gtx-titan-z-market-availability-detailed.html#comments

though i'm not sure nvidia will ever provide review sample to tech site to review the card. the best of all nvidia seems confident to sell this card at 3k a piece 😀

My head hit the desk once I read the comments about air cooling over 3 slots being superior to water cooling. I just... how people can spin a $3000 piece of hardware will be very interesting in the coming months.

 

[raunak62]

The TITAN Z is basically two TITAN BLACKs in SLI while the R9 295X2 is two R9 290Xs in crossfire. This means that the TITAN Z is the most powerful GPU out of the two. The reason the AMD is said to be the fastest on the market is because the TITAN Z is not out yet.

So basically the Nvidia one is more powerful, but the AMD one gives you better bang for your buck.

How do you know that? The clockrates have not been revealed yet.

A Titan Black is faster than an R9 290X, so the Titan Z will probably be faster than the R9 295X2

The Titan Z is said to have a better compute performance while Radeon R9 295X2 has a better gaming performance. AMD always have some cool cards when it comes to gaming. Also I'm an AMD fan, so my answer is going to be biased 😛

 

[Idonno]

The Titan Z is said to have a better compute performance while Radeon R9 295X2 has a better gaming performance. AMD always have some cool cards when it comes to gaming. Also I'm an AMD fan, so my answer is going to be biased 😛

From the reviews I've read the Titan Black is only about 1/10th better at compute and the 290x is the winner in games. I've owned 5 AMD cards so far and the biggest issue I've had with them is listening to all the excuses and whining from the Nvidia fanboys every time AMD bests them. It's not only annoying, but It's tiring as well.

The new Titan Z may beat the Radeon R9 295X2 by a small margin and maybe not (I really don't care). When Nvidia can beat it at a similar price point I'll concede. Until then AMD IS KING!___ PERIOD!! :lol:

 

[King_Potato]

For those calling the Titan Z simply a dual SLI titan black, that's not really true. The difference is that an SLI setup will give you 2x6gb vRAM, which is... still 6gb in an SLI setup. The Titan Z, however. has an actual 12gb. Also, two titan blacks consume around 500W, while a Titan Z uses only 375W (which is over 25% less power usage comparing to performance).

Furthermore, the fact that 2 of 'em cost $2000, doesn't mean that the Titan Z is that much more expensive, because (as oppsed to a titan Z) double cards mean having to buy fancier and more expensive cooling, as well as power supply. Furthermore, from what I've heard, single card setups are better than SLI, because some games just hate multiiple cards (I'm talking to you, CoD: Ghosts). So in my opnion: Titan Z > Dual Titan black.

 

[mordorrson]

What a lot of people don't realize is that putting two GPUs on one board is NOT the same as using SLI/Crossfire. the main problem is that both GPUs will be bottlenecked because they share the same memory, controllers, etc. AMD actually managed to overcome that problem with the architecture linking the two GPUs, and reduced the bottleneck by quite a bit, so that the single card will give you 180-210% of the performance of two R9 290Xs in Crossfire. However, the Titan-Z is supposed to be two underclocked Titan Blacks, meaning that the bottleneck is actually worse, not to mention the fact that you get underclocked GPUs from bad batches. This means that the Titan-Z is likely to only give you 150% of the performance of two Titan Blacks. That means that you would get nearly identical performance from the Radeon and Nvidia cards.

All you have to do to understand that issue is look at any dual-GPU card and compare it to a card that had the same core. It's pretty obvious, and I'm surprised that no one else on this thread pointed that out.

 

[Pconsoles]

A Titan Z review just got leaked from a Hong kong magazine and it's trading blows with the 295x2,. I still don't think it's worth the 3 grand price tag Considering the 295x2 performs similarly well at half the price, but i'm sure performance will be improved with driver optimizations.

 

[Eduello]

For those calling the Titan Z simply a dual SLI titan black, that's not really true. The difference is that an SLI setup will give you 2x6gb vRAM, which is... still 6gb in an SLI setup. The Titan Z, however. has an actual 12gb. Also, two titan blacks consume around 500W, while a Titan Z uses only 375W (which is over 25% less power usage comparing to performance).

Furthermore, the fact that 2 of 'em cost $2000, doesn't mean that the Titan Z is that much more expensive, because (as oppsed to a titan Z) double cards mean having to buy fancier and more expensive cooling, as well as power supply. Furthermore, from what I've heard, single card setups are better than SLI, because some games just hate multiiple cards (I'm talking to you, CoD: Ghosts). So in my opnion: Titan Z > Dual Titan black.

"The Titan Z, however. has an actual 12gb" Yes, and it's divided between 2 cards = 2x6GB. Just like in SLI.

The PC treats a dual GPU card as two separate GPUs so it still has all the problems of an SLI setup.

A friendly suggestion: Do some Googling

 

[Someone Somewhere]

Yup, two GPUs one one card really is just two GPUs on one card. They don't share memory.

 

[renz496]

i have been thinking. now that 295x2 was cooled by close loop is it possible to OC the card to 1.2-1.3Ghz mark? though it might be too much for the 2 8 pin to handle.

 

[mordorrson]

Yup, two GPUs one one card really is just two GPUs on one card. They don't share memory.

Yeah, I realized that part after I commented, was waiting for someone to call me on it.