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Contest Rules
-------------
For each of the 10 questions listed below, your objective is to give a
response that (1) is correct, and (2) is duplicated by as FEW other
contestants as possible. Feel free to use any reference material
you like before choosing an answer.

Scoring
-------
If your answer to a question is correct, then your score for that
question is the number of people who gave the same answer or an answer
I (Jim Ward) consider equivalent.

If your answer to a question is incorrect or missing, the penalty
score is the number of entrants in the contest.

For example, say 12 people enter the contest. A question asks for a
color on the United States flag.

3 say red
4 say white
2 say blue
1 says navy
1 says orange
1 gave no answer

I judge 'navy' to mean the same as 'blue'.

The 3 who said red would each get 3 points for this question.
The 4 who said white would each get 4 points for this question.
The 3 who said blue/navy would each get 3 points for this question.
The 1 who said orange would each get 12 points for this question.
The 1 who gave no answer would each get 12 points for this question.

Your total score will be your score for each question MULTIPLIED
together.

Low score wins; a perfect total score is 1.

Deadline
--------
All entries must be received by Midnight EST, November 26, 2004.

Results to be posted by December 3, 2004.

Entering
--------
Your entry should consist of an (ASCII text only) e-mail to:

jfw@radixNOSPAM.net

(before sending the e-mail, remove the NOSPAM from the e-mail address)

E-mail Subject line: Rare Entries JFW07

E-mail Message Body:

a) Your name (if it's not in the From: line)

b) The 10 answers, numbered 1 to 10, along with any explanations
required. Don't repeat the questions in the reply.

Supporting URLs are welcomed!

I'll send you an acknowledgement when I read your entry.

One entry per name or e-mail address.

Judging
-------
As moderator, I'll be the judge of what answers are correct, and
whether two answers (e.g. blue vs. navy) are to be considered
equivalent.

No changes are allowed after submitting an entry, and questions
will (probably) not be clarified after the first entry has been
received.

I may ask you to supply further information or justify an answer.
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1. Name a professional or college level sports team whose common
name or nickname contains a variant of the word "Fighting".

2. Name a TIME magazine "Person of the Year" that was not an
individual person.

3. Name a painter who invented something unrelated to painting.

4. Give the number of stars on a current flag. By current, I mean
that the flag was probably flown between Jan. and Nov. 2004.
The answer will be the number of stars.

5. Name a current country with two separate pieces, and where people
can drive between the two pieces, but to drive you MUST cross a
country border. The pieces can dependent territories.

6. Name a current country that administers an island, and the island
is more than 100 miles away from the country's mainland.

7. Name a person that a food (not a drink) is named after.

8. Name a person who invented a widely used computer algorithm.

9. Name a brand of gasoline or petrol that is no longer sold.

10. On an article of clothing you own is a tag that says "Made in X"
(or a variant in some language). Name X. Please also state the
article of clothing for informational purposes. Nudists entrants
will be penalized for not giving an answer.

 

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> 1. Name a professional or college level sports team whose common
> name or nickname contains a variant of the word "Fighting".

A clarification (hey, I can't help myself): Two teams from the same
college/university will be considered equivalent. For example, the
"Fighting Rare Entrants" football team will be considered equivalent
to the "Fighting Rare Entrants" beach volleyball team.

 

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Jim Ward wrote:

> 2. Name a TIME magazine "Person of the Year" that was not an
> individual person.

You might need a clarification on this. Whenever more than one
specific person wins, the winners are named "Persons (men, women, as
appropriate) of the Year" (as opposed to "Person"); each one is a
"person of the year". Is the "group" answer what you are looking for
in this case? Also, the two years I rememebr when the winner was a
non-person, the award was not called "Person of the Year"; are these
acceptable as well?

Sorry for not being more specific, but I didn't want to give away any
potential answers. Here are some fictional ones:
Suppose, in 2000, the "Persons of the Year" were George W. Bush and Al
Gore; also, in 1968, the "Spacecraft of the Year" was Apollo 8. Would
"George Bush & Al Gore" and/or "Apollo 8" be correct?

-- Don

 

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"Don Del Grande" <del_grande_news@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Jim Ward wrote:
>
> > 2. Name a TIME magazine "Person of the Year" that was not an
> > individual person.
>
> You might need a clarification on this.

I disagree.

Adrian

 

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Jim Ward (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message
<108ap01ee8o52naki21eoo4sd12qnj8dgs@4ax.com>:

> For example, say 12 people enter the contest. A question asks for a
> color on the United States flag.
>
> [snip]
>
> The 1 who said orange would each get 12 points for this question.

But surely the answer has to be *right*?!?!? Where is the orange on the US
flag? I thought that it consisted (like ours) of red, white and blue only.
Also you can't say "each" when there is only one.

--
Paul Townsend
Pair them off into threes

Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply

 

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Jim Ward <tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> wrote in message news:<108ap01ee8o52naki21eoo4sd12qnj8dgs@4ax.com>...
> Contest Rules
> -------------
> For each of the 10 questions listed below, your objective is to give a
> response that (1) is correct, and (2) is duplicated by as FEW other
> contestants as possible. Feel free to use any reference material
> you like before choosing an answer.

I choose newsgroup regulars Mark B and Erland S! Unless you meant
non-organic reference materials...

> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1. Name a professional or college level sports team whose common
> name or nickname contains a variant of the word "Fighting".
>
"Fighting" has to be the most common adjective in use today with
college sports teams. I can't wait to see what is most common, if
anything, on this one.

> 2. Name a TIME magazine "Person of the Year" that was not an
> individual person.

The phrase "person of the year" was not used every year. I can smell
the fight brewing over this one already. Of course, I use Google
NewsGroups so this may have already begun by the time I see this...

>
> 3. Name a painter who invented something unrelated to painting.
>

You don't specify in what capacity a person has to be considered a
painter. Nor what "invented" means, nor if that includes things
"invented" by a group of people, nor how removed from painting the
thing should be. Is a brush related to painting if it is primarily
used on teeth, even though I used one with a maple leaf as a child to
make art work in 2nd grade?

> 4. Give the number of stars on a current flag. By current, I mean
> that the flag was probably flown between Jan. and Nov. 2004.
> The answer will be the number of stars.
>

Flag ... well, that's pretty broad. Family flags, flags of states,
flags of countries, flags on boats, etc etc etc. Pretty much any
number under 100 will probably be justifiable. Again, I cant wait to
see where the collision comes on this one, if any.

> 5. Name a current country with two separate pieces, and where people
> can drive between the two pieces, but to drive you MUST cross a
> country border. The pieces can dependent territories.
>

OK, I know what I *think* you meant on this one. After translating
this in my head into something that Mark Brader would have said, I
decided that this is just poorly worded. Use of Mark's rules on
countries and borders probably would have been best here. The
arguments on embassies and military bases probably won't apply here
because of the "MUST cross" part, thankfully.

> 6. Name a current country that administers an island, and the island
> is more than 100 miles away from the country's mainland.
>

"administers" is open to interpretation, as is "mainland" in the case
of island nations in the pacific ocean.

> 7. Name a person that a food (not a drink) is named after.
>

OK, this is actually a good question.


> 8. Name a person who invented a widely used computer algorithm.
>

and then we jump right back into the realm of vagueness. "widely
used" will be hard to prove or disprove, as will the "invented" part.

> 9. Name a brand of gasoline or petrol that is no longer sold.
>

proof will be difficult, I think.

> 10. On an article of clothing you own is a tag that says "Made in X"
> (or a variant in some language). Name X. Please also state the
> article of clothing for informational purposes. Nudists entrants
> will be penalized for not giving an answer.

I don't like keeping the tags on my clothes, they itch. Is there
anywhere that clothing isn't made?

Sorry to be so down on you, but this is far below what I usually
expect from you. I will enter, perhaps, but under a pseudonym.

Stephen Perry

 

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If this had been Mark's contest, the post below might get you disqualified.
However, I notice that Jim didn't copy the portion of Mark's rules that
forebade public discussion of the questions (or answers).

Mistake? Loophole?

Andrew


"Don Del Grande" <del_grande_news@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news😛7lap0p8lsn6pikkob0hi73rfhvj5p7vjl@4ax.com...
> Jim Ward wrote:
>
> > 2. Name a TIME magazine "Person of the Year" that was not an
> > individual person.
>
> You might need a clarification on this. Whenever more than one
> specific person wins, the winners are named "Persons (men, women, as
> appropriate) of the Year" (as opposed to "Person"); each one is a
> "person of the year". Is the "group" answer what you are looking for
> in this case? Also, the two years I rememebr when the winner was a
> non-person, the award was not called "Person of the Year"; are these
> acceptable as well?
>
> Sorry for not being more specific, but I didn't want to give away any
> potential answers. Here are some fictional ones:
> Suppose, in 2000, the "Persons of the Year" were George W. Bush and Al
> Gore; also, in 1968, the "Spacecraft of the Year" was Apollo 8. Would
> "George Bush & Al Gore" and/or "Apollo 8" be correct?
>
> -- Don

 

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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:04:12 GMT, "Andrew Krywaniuk"
<askrywan@hotmail.com> wrote:

>If this had been Mark's contest, the post below might get you disqualified.
>However, I notice that Jim didn't copy the portion of Mark's rules that
>forebade public discussion of the questions (or answers).
>
>Mistake? Loophole?

Either stupdity or cussedness on Jim's part. I've already received two
entries, so I'm not making any more comments on the questions.

 

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Jim Ward writes:
> All entries must be received by Midnight EST, November 26, 2004.

(1) Which midnight on that date -- 00:00 or 24:00?
(2) Which EST?
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "The walls have hearsay."
msb@vex.net -- Fonseca & Carolino

 

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swp schrieb:
> > 5. Name a current country with two separate pieces, and where people
> > can drive between the two pieces, but to drive you MUST cross a
> > country border. The pieces can dependent territories.
> >
>
> OK, I know what I *think* you meant on this one. After translating
> this in my head into something that Mark Brader would have said, I
> decided that this is just poorly worded. Use of Mark's rules on
> countries and borders probably would have been best here. The
> arguments on embassies and military bases probably won't apply here
> because of the "MUST cross" part, thankfully.

Note that it says "a", not "two".

Michael
--
Still an attentive ear he lent Her speech hath caused this pain
But could not fathom what she meant Easier I count it to explain
She was not deep, nor eloquent. The jargon of the howling main
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swp (DSAsteve@aol.com) writes:
> Jim Ward <tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> wrote in message
news:<108ap01ee8o52naki21eoo4sd12qnj8dgs@4ax.com>...
>> Contest Rules
>> -------------
>> For each of the 10 questions listed below, your objective is to give a
>> response that (1) is correct, and (2) is duplicated by as FEW other
>> contestants as possible. Feel free to use any reference material
>> you like before choosing an answer.
>
> I choose newsgroup regulars Mark B and Erland S! Unless you meant
> non-organic reference materials...

Eh, thanks for the credit, but I'm not sure whether I should be
amused.

As for your objections to Jim's questions, I don't really see any reason
to vent your issues in public. If you think the questions are poorly
worded, just don't enter. Whether the actually questions were poorly
formed, is best deemed after the results posting and the comments to
the same.

While we're at it, my cheif reason for not entering is that Jim did not
seem to care to supply a working reply address with his posting. But that
his business. Maybe he prefers a smaller number of entries to make it
easier to score? 🙂
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esquel@sommarskog.se

 

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DSAsteve@aol.com (swp) writes:
[SNIP - blathering that should not have been on-list]

Nice way to get yourself into people's killfiles.

Phil
--
They no longer do my traditional winks tournament lunch - liver and bacon.
It's just what you need during a winks tournament lunchtime to replace lost
.... liver. -- Anthony Horton, 2004/08/27 at the Cambridge 'Long Vac.'

 

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"Erland Sommarskog" wrote:

>> Jim did not seem to care to supply a working reply address

Quote:

Your entry should consist of an (ASCII text only) e-mail to:

jfw@radixNOSPAM.net

(before sending the e-mail, remove the NOSPAM from the e-mail address)

HTH
--
Kev

 

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Someone should come up with a contest where the entire contest is
deciding what the rules are. The first one to correctly enter would
win it.

 

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| Mark Brader wrote:
| Jim Ward writes:
|> All entries must be received by Midnight EST, November 26, 2004.
|
| (1) Which midnight on that date -- 00:00 or 24:00?
| (2) Which EST?

There is no such time as 24:00, unless you allow 9:60 as a time,
for example (which would be 10:00), or things like I have $4 and
100 cents. _____________________________________________Gerard S.

 

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"gerard46" wrote:

> There is no such time as 24:00

Midnight can be either 0.00 or 24.00 - it depends on the
occupation/custom/etc of the speaker to guess which they mean.

--
Kev

 

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Mark Brader:
> | Which midnight on that date -- 00:00 or 24:00?

Gerard S.:
> There is no such time as 24:00, unless you allow 9:60 as a time,
> for example (which would be 10:00) ...

Wrong -- see ISO 8601. 24:00 (or 24:00:00) is an exception to the
normal rules, defined specifically so that a calendar date can be
stated with either one of its midnights. 9:60 is not allowed, and
9:59:60 is allowed only when it not the same at 10:00:00 due to a
leap second (this would be in time zone +10, of course).
--
Mark Brader "As penance, I suppose I should read the standard
Toronto again, but I've already lost as much hair as
msb@vex.net I can afford." -- Tom Kelly

My text in this article is in the public domain.

 

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"Jim Ward" wrote:

> Someone should come up with a contest where the entire contest is
> deciding what the rules are. The first one to correctly enter would
> win it.

Or a contest in which people enter in the spirit in which it was set.

You only then need one rule, if I don't like your entry (or indeed you),
then you're disqualified. When I score common answers, I usually have over
1,000 entries and it's tiresome at times to filter the inane entries.

--
Kev

 

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> Or a contest in which people enter in the spirit in which it was set.
>
> You only then need one rule, if I don't like your entry (or indeed you),
> then you're disqualified.

Okay, well I'm starting my own contest. The one and only question is:

1. How much do you want to win this contest?

Entries will be accepted in the form of poetry, prose, or cash. If your
entry is not in the form of cash then I probably won't like it (or you 🙂.

Andrew

 

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Kevin Stone (newsaccount@HotPOP.com) writes:
> Erland Sommarskog" wrote:
>
>>> Jim did not seem to care to supply a working reply address
>
> Quote:
>
> Your entry should consist of an (ASCII text only) e-mail to:
>
> jfw@radixNOSPAM.net
>
> (before sending the e-mail, remove the NOSPAM from the e-mail address)

As I said.

--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esquel@sommarskog.se

 

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"Erland Sommarskog" wrote:


>> Your entry should consist of an (ASCII text only) e-mail to:
>>
>> jfw@radixNOSPAM.net
>>
>> (before sending the e-mail, remove the NOSPAM from the e-mail
>> address)
>
> As I said.

A lovely argument which lends great weight to any further comments you'll
ever make!

--
Kev

 

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Kevin Stone schrieb:
> "Erland Sommarskog" wrote:
> >> Your entry should consist of an (ASCII text only) e-mail to:
> >>
> >> jfw@radixNOSPAM.net
> >>
> >> (before sending the e-mail, remove the NOSPAM from the e-mail
> >> address)
> >
> > As I said.
>
> A lovely argument which lends great weight to any further comments you'll
> ever make!

What's wrong with the argument?
There's agreement all around that this is the email adress,
and there's also agreement that it does not work as given.

How hard is it to put a Reply-To: that actually works on your post with
Free Agent? It's in Options/General Preferences/User.

Obpuzzle: Why do I get dozens of Spams daily to the From: address (and
to From: adresses I haven't used this year), but none to the Reply-To:
address? (I'm afraid it's more of a brain-teaser).

Cheers
Michael
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But could not fathom what she meant Easier I count it to explain
She was not deep, nor eloquent. The jargon of the howling main
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msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in message news:<10pdtqrgigggc49@corp.supernews.com>...
> Jim Ward writes:
> > All entries must be received by Midnight EST, November 26, 2004.
>
> (1) Which midnight on that date -- 00:00 or 24:00?
> (2) Which EST?

Just use the general/specific scoring rule.

Eugene

 

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Contest Rules
-------------
For each of the 10 questions listed below, your objective is to give a
response that (1) is correct, and (2) is duplicated by as FEW other
contestants as possible. Feel free to use any reference material
you like before choosing an answer.

Scoring
-------
If your answer to a question is correct, then your score for that
question is the number of people who gave the same answer or an answer
I (Jim Ward) consider equivalent.

If your answer to a question is incorrect or missing, the penalty
score is the number of entrants in the contest.

For example, say 12 people enter the contest. A question asks for a
color on the United States flag.

3 say red
4 say white
2 say blue
1 says navy
1 says orange
1 gave no answer

I judge 'navy' to mean the same as 'blue'.

The 3 who said red would each get 3 points for this question.
The 4 who said white would each get 4 points for this question.
The 3 who said blue/navy would each get 3 points for this question.
The 1 who said orange would each get 12 points for this question.
The 1 who gave no answer would each get 12 points for this question.

Your total score will be your score for each question MULTIPLIED
together.

Low score wins; a perfect total score is 1.

Deadline
--------
All entries must be received by Midnight EST, November 26, 2004.

Results to be posted by December 3, 2004.

Entering
--------
Your entry should consist of an (ASCII text only) e-mail to:

jfw@radixNOSPAM.net

(before sending the e-mail, remove the NOSPAM from the e-mail address)

E-mail Subject line: Rare Entries JFW07

E-mail Message Body:

a) Your name (if it's not in the From: line)

b) The 10 answers, numbered 1 to 10, along with any explanations
required. Don't repeat the questions in the reply.

Supporting URLs are welcomed!

I'll send you an acknowledgement when I read your entry.

One entry per name or e-mail address.

Judging
-------
As moderator, I'll be the judge of what answers are correct, and
whether two answers (e.g. blue vs. navy) are to be considered
equivalent.

No changes are allowed after submitting an entry, and questions
will (probably) not be clarified after the first entry has been
received.

I may ask you to supply further information or justify an answer.
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Name a professional or college level sports team whose common
name or nickname contains a variant of the word "Fighting".
Two teams from the same college/university will be considered
equivalent. For example, the "Fighting Rare Entrants" football
team will be considered equivalent to the "Fighting Rare Entrants"
beach volleyball team.

2. Name a TIME magazine "Person of the Year" that was not an
individual person.

3. Name a painter who invented something unrelated to painting.

4. Give the number of stars on a current flag. By current, I mean
that the flag was probably flown between Jan. and Nov. 2004.
The answer will be the number of stars.

5. Name a current country with two separate pieces, and where people
can drive between the two pieces, but to drive you MUST cross a
country border. The pieces can dependent territories.

6. Name a current country that administers an island, and the island
is more than 100 miles away from the country's mainland.

7. Name a person that a food (not a drink) is named after.

8. Name a person who invented a widely used computer algorithm.

9. Name a brand of gasoline or petrol that is no longer sold.

10. On an article of clothing you own is a tag that says "Made in X"
(or a variant in some language). Name X. Please also state the
article of clothing for informational purposes. Nudists entrants
will be penalized for not giving an answer.

 

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In article <vlMld.213$SO1.7438@news7.onvoy.net>,
gerard46 <gerard46@rrt.net> wrote:
>| Mark Brader wrote:
>| Jim Ward writes:
>|> All entries must be received by Midnight EST, November 26, 2004.
>|
>| (1) Which midnight on that date -- 00:00 or 24:00?
>| (2) Which EST?
>
>There is no such time as 24:00, unless you allow 9:60 as a time,

24:00 is acceptable in the special case of the end of a range. Which
is the case here.