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[keith]

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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 02:42:19 -0500, George Macdonald wrote:

<snip all content>

>>Richard Hopkins
>>Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
>>(replace .nospam with .com in reply address)
>>
>>The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
>>Get the most out of your digital photos www.dabsxpose.com
>
> I'm not sure how other people feel about direct advertising in this
> newsgroup but I'm sure there are a number of other people -- not me -- who
> would like to benefit from the privilege if accorded. If it comes to a
> question of all or none I'd think the choice would have to be the latter...
> but maybe others can comment??


I think the usual Usenet rules are to allow a short advert in the siggy.
>
> Rgds, George Macdonald

Though a siggy delimiter (dash-dash-space) would be ,umm nice George! ;-)

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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:55:31 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 02:42:19 -0500, George Macdonald wrote:
>
><snip all content>
>
>>>Richard Hopkins
>>>Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
>>>(replace .nospam with .com in reply address)
>>>
>>>The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
>>>Get the most out of your digital photos www.dabsxpose.com
>>
>> I'm not sure how other people feel about direct advertising in this
>> newsgroup but I'm sure there are a number of other people -- not me -- who
>> would like to benefit from the privilege if accorded. If it comes to a
>> question of all or none I'd think the choice would have to be the latter...
>> but maybe others can comment??
>
>
>I think the usual Usenet rules are to allow a short advert in the siggy.

DABS is probably the largest computer parts e-tailer in the U.K. I don't
think we need this... or expect NewEgg, Monarch, Dell<gawp>,
Overclockers.xxxx et.al. to follow. I can't find a newsgroup charter and
the guidelines are: if you can't find a FAQ, don't do it.

>Though a siggy delimiter (dash-dash-space) would be ,umm nice George! ;-)

I've been thinking about dropping mine for a bit now - probably given the
poor folks searching on the keywords enough bother.🙂

Rgds, George Macdonald

 

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George Macdonald wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:55:31 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 02:42:19 -0500, George Macdonald wrote:
>>
>><snip all content>
>>
>>>>Richard Hopkins
>>>>Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
>>>>(replace .nospam with .com in reply address)
>>>>
>>>>The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
>>>>Get the most out of your digital photos www.dabsxpose.com
>>>
>>>I'm not sure how other people feel about direct advertising in this
>>>newsgroup but I'm sure there are a number of other people -- not me -- who
>>>would like to benefit from the privilege if accorded. If it comes to a
>>>question of all or none I'd think the choice would have to be the latter...
>>>but maybe others can comment??
>>
>>
>>I think the usual Usenet rules are to allow a short advert in the siggy.
>
>
> DABS is probably the largest computer parts e-tailer in the U.K. I don't
> think we need this... or expect NewEgg, Monarch, Dell<gawp>,
> Overclockers.xxxx et.al. to follow.

It appears to be generally accepted that people
can use their sig file to /briefly/ promote businesses
that the own or work for.

> I can't find a newsgroup charter and
> the guidelines are: if you can't find a FAQ, don't do it.

Police states work on "Everything is forbidden
unless explicitly stated otherwise." Here in the
"free" world it is supposed to be the other way
around.


In any case, the charter can be found at
http://www.landfield.com/ftp/pub/usenet/control/comp/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips

Once the headers are stripped out it is amazingly brief:

Description: Discussion of processor, cache & memory chips for the ibm-pc.

This newsgroup will be for the discussion of those topics directly related to
computer chips and technologies. "Chips" is a broad term to include memory
chips (such as SIMMs) as well as new system chips from Intel (such as the
Pentium) or other chip manufacturers (such as AMD). Topics may include chip
pricing & availability, clock speeds (eg.- overclocking), and future chip
releases.


Charters in general are easy to find by using Yahoo to search for
newsgroup charter "newsgroup.name.goes.here"

 

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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Rob Stow <rob.stow.nospam@shaw.ca> wrote:
> It appears to be generally accepted that people can use
> their sig file to /briefly/ promote businesses that the
> own or work for.

General netiquette (RFC?) is to keep USENET sig files down
to 4 lines. No limit on content.

> Police states work on "Everything is forbidden unless explicitly
> stated otherwise." Here in the "free" world it is supposed to
> be the other way around.

I think it's more a matter of mindset -- the old joke:

In England, everything is permitted unless forbidden.
In Germany, everything is forbidden unless permitted.
In Russia, everything is forbidden even the permitted.
In France, everything is permitted even the forbidden.

-- Robert

 

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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 02:42:19 -0500, George Macdonald
<fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote:

>I'm not sure how other people feel about direct advertising in this
>newsgroup but I'm sure there are a number of other people -- not me -- who
>would like to benefit from the privilege if accorded. If it comes to a
>question of all or none I'd think the choice would have to be the latter...
>but maybe others can comment??

It's not really a bother right, I remembered being told that it's ok
to advertise your business/service. As long as the sig is kept short,
the content doesn't matter. Plus, I think it's good to know when the
poster has a direct interest in something when getting
advice/information from them. e.g.
"John Kenbi-aniwan
Visit Just Kool Online
Largest U.S. Distributor for AMD processors" ;PpPpP




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"George Macdonald" wrote in message...
> and you've already been told that Intel did not invent anything.

My point is that Intel have initiated the use of this style of socket in the
PC segment, and they've certainly had to bear the brunt of the flak for
doing so.

> I don't see much R&D here.

You think this socket happened by itself? What about the electrical design
(and by implication motherboard design) that's gone into it? If you don't
see much R&D here George, you need thicker glasses.

> Anyone can tell at a glance that the mechanism is more fragile and prone
> to damage...

It looks more fragile than Socket 478 because there's no cover plate on the
socket, and because there are more, smaller contact fingers. However,
whether it *is* more fragile than Socket 478 is something you can't tell
just by glancing.

> I'm not sure how other people feel about direct advertising in this
> newsgroup

Lol. It's two lines, it's not HTML, it's at the bottom of my signature, and
it's not prohibited by the newsgroup's charter. If you don't like it, don't
scroll down. Simple.
--


Richard Hopkins
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
(replace .nospam with .com in reply address)

The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
Get the most out of your digital photos www.dabsxpose.com

 

[keith]

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On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:14:01 -0500, George Macdonald wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:55:31 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 02:42:19 -0500, George Macdonald wrote:
>>
>><snip all content>
>>
>>>>Richard Hopkins
>>>>Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
>>>>(replace .nospam with .com in reply address)
>>>>
>>>>The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
>>>>Get the most out of your digital photos www.dabsxpose.com
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how other people feel about direct advertising in this
>>> newsgroup but I'm sure there are a number of other people -- not me -- who
>>> would like to benefit from the privilege if accorded. If it comes to a
>>> question of all or none I'd think the choice would have to be the latter...
>>> but maybe others can comment??
>>
>>
>>I think the usual Usenet rules are to allow a short advert in the siggy.
>
> DABS is probably the largest computer parts e-tailer in the U.K. I don't
> think we need this... or expect NewEgg, Monarch, Dell<gawp>,
> Overclockers.xxxx et.al. to follow. I can't find a newsgroup charter and
> the guidelines are: if you can't find a FAQ, don't do it.
>
>>Though a siggy delimiter (dash-dash-space) would be ,umm nice George! ;-)
>
> I've been thinking about dropping mine for a bit now - probably given the
> poor folks searching on the keywords enough bother.🙂

I wasn't talking about your sig, though it is getting nigh on six years
*old*. I was referring to your lack of the signature delimiter, the lack
of which is just short of top-posting on the Usenet agravation list. ;-)


--
^
+-- That be a sig delimiter

Keith

 

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On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:43:54 GMT, Rob Stow <rob.stow.nospam@shaw.ca> wrote:

>George Macdonald wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:55:31 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 02:42:19 -0500, George Macdonald wrote:
>>>
>>><snip all content>
>>>
>>>>>Richard Hopkins
>>>>>Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
>>>>>(replace .nospam with .com in reply address)
>>>>>
>>>>>The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
>>>>>Get the most out of your digital photos www.dabsxpose.com
>>>>
>>>>I'm not sure how other people feel about direct advertising in this
>>>>newsgroup but I'm sure there are a number of other people -- not me -- who
>>>>would like to benefit from the privilege if accorded. If it comes to a
>>>>question of all or none I'd think the choice would have to be the latter...
>>>>but maybe others can comment??
>>>
>>>
>>>I think the usual Usenet rules are to allow a short advert in the siggy.
>>
>>
>> DABS is probably the largest computer parts e-tailer in the U.K. I don't
>> think we need this... or expect NewEgg, Monarch, Dell<gawp>,
>> Overclockers.xxxx et.al. to follow.
>
>It appears to be generally accepted that people
>can use their sig file to /briefly/ promote businesses
>that the own or work for.

It's sorta moot here but sorry I don't see that for a large retail
enterprise, who might even be paying individuals (per hit ?) who do the
planting. How would you feel about someone touting the Home Shopping
Network with ads for some computer they sell? I suggest you find out a bit
about DABS.

>> I can't find a newsgroup charter and
>> the guidelines are: if you can't find a FAQ, don't do it.
>
>Police states work on "Everything is forbidden
>unless explicitly stated otherwise." Here in the
>"free" world it is supposed to be the other way
>around.

Shove your "police state" comment back where you pulled it from - the "free
world" has alternative means to restrict your behavior... they're called
lawyers and their elite ranks are the ones who make up the rules for *all*
of us. What do you not understand about "guidelines"? Go check out some
of the "FAQs" at the newsfeed services - that is precisely what I read at a
couple, about refraining if there was no stated policy for a group.

>In any case, the charter can be found at
>http://www.landfield.com/ftp/pub/usenet/control/comp/comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips
>
>Once the headers are stripped out it is amazingly brief:
>
>Description: Discussion of processor, cache & memory chips for the ibm-pc.
>
>This newsgroup will be for the discussion of those topics directly related to
>computer chips and technologies. "Chips" is a broad term to include memory
>chips (such as SIMMs) as well as new system chips from Intel (such as the
>Pentium) or other chip manufacturers (such as AMD). Topics may include chip
>pricing & availability, clock speeds (eg.- overclocking), and future chip
>releases.
>
>
>Charters in general are easy to find by using Yahoo to search for
> newsgroup charter "newsgroup.name.goes.here"

And the FAQ can also be found at www.faqs.org:

"Q) 1.3 Is it ok to (sell/buy/job-offer/advertise) things here?

No, none of the above fit within the charter of the
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.* hierarchy, therefore such posts are
considered unacceptable. For buying/selling things, use groups with
the words 'wanted' or 'forsale', and for job offers, use groups with
the words 'jobs'. All of these can be found in the misc.* hierarchy.
For commercial advertisements, use only the biz.* hierarchy as per the
guidelines of USENET. (refer to the news.* groups for more
information)."

Now whether the Usenet netiquette allowance for sig "adverts" overrides the
above, is up for discussion - the "How To" articles on sig.ads particularly
suggest just pointing people to a Web site, without any hype.... hardly
seems to fit the bill exactly here.

Rgds, George Macdonald

 

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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:54:56 -0000, "Richard Hopkins"
<richh@dsl.nospam.co.uk> wrote:

>"George Macdonald" wrote in message...
>> and you've already been told that Intel did not invent anything.
>
>My point is that Intel have initiated the use of this style of socket in the
>PC segment, and they've certainly had to bear the brunt of the flak for
>doing so.

No, your "point" was perfectly clear... and don't project any "flak" on to
me please.

>> I don't see much R&D here.
>
>You think this socket happened by itself? What about the electrical design
>(and by implication motherboard design) that's gone into it? If you don't
>see much R&D here George, you need thicker glasses.

No Richard all you have to do is remove the iBlinkers. Any necessary
"electrical design" is quite divorced from any issue of mechanical design
of contacts and retention mechanism.

>> Anyone can tell at a glance that the mechanism is more fragile and prone
>> to damage...
>
>It looks more fragile than Socket 478 because there's no cover plate on the
>socket, and because there are more, smaller contact fingers. However,
>whether it *is* more fragile than Socket 478 is something you can't tell
>just by glancing.

Seems a wee bit contradictory to me. Well you can glance... and then
confirm by looking at the warnings and consequences in Intel's
documentation
(http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/products/box_processors/desktop/proc_dsk_p4/technical_reference/99345.htm):
5 different "failure types" and some illustrative pics. Apparently they
were only able to quell the uproar at the mbrd mfrs by proving that they
had undertaken an extensive training program for system builders.

>> I'm not sure how other people feel about direct advertising in this
>> newsgroup
>
>Lol. It's two lines, it's not HTML, it's at the bottom of my signature, and
>it's not prohibited by the newsgroup's charter. If you don't like it, don't
>scroll down. Simple.

One can only hope then that it fulfills Korpela's Law 17.: "Advertizing
works on Usenet; but the effect is opposite to the intended one."... and
the newsgroup FAQ *does* say no to advertising.

Rgds, George Macdonald

 

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On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:34:45 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

>On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:14:01 -0500, George Macdonald wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:55:31 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 02:42:19 -0500, George Macdonald wrote:
>>>
>>><snip all content>
>>>
>>>>>Richard Hopkins
>>>>>Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
>>>>>(replace .nospam with .com in reply address)
>>>>>
>>>>>The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
>>>>>Get the most out of your digital photos www.dabsxpose.com
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure how other people feel about direct advertising in this
>>>> newsgroup but I'm sure there are a number of other people -- not me -- who
>>>> would like to benefit from the privilege if accorded. If it comes to a
>>>> question of all or none I'd think the choice would have to be the latter...
>>>> but maybe others can comment??
>>>
>>>
>>>I think the usual Usenet rules are to allow a short advert in the siggy.
>>
>> DABS is probably the largest computer parts e-tailer in the U.K. I don't
>> think we need this... or expect NewEgg, Monarch, Dell<gawp>,
>> Overclockers.xxxx et.al. to follow. I can't find a newsgroup charter and
>> the guidelines are: if you can't find a FAQ, don't do it.
>>
>>>Though a siggy delimiter (dash-dash-space) would be ,umm nice George! ;-)
>>
>> I've been thinking about dropping mine for a bit now - probably given the
>> poor folks searching on the keywords enough bother.🙂
>
>I wasn't talking about your sig, though it is getting nigh on six years
>*old*. I was referring to your lack of the signature delimiter, the lack
>of which is just short of top-posting on the Usenet agravation list. ;-)

That bad?... tsk...tsk - doesn't seem to be well respected or even
documented but there are so many broken links in the Usenet docs now. The
sig extension is gone anyway.

--
Rgds, George Macdonald