Report: No Service Pack 2 for Windows 7

[sonofliberty08]

[citation][nom]heroz0r[/nom]They force us to use Windows 8...[/citation]
they force us to use Linux......

 

[JOSHSKORN]

Well that's stupid. Microsoft could have a SP2 that gets rid of the Start button, making people actually THINK about getting Windows 8, cashing in.

Oh crap, better not give them any ideas.

 

[atikkur]

it only means win7 is already perfect.

 

[diddo]

[citation][nom]mightymaxio[/nom]Man people are touchy with change.[/citation]
No, that just depends if the change is in better or in worse.
And after more than one year of public previews, please stick in your brain that most people, the majority of them being EARLY ADOPTERS GEEKS kind of people (the ones less resilient to changes, fyi), have extensively tested, and most of them DISLIKED, Bob 2.0.

Wit Win 1 and 2 the UI was fantastic improvement over cl, and with 3 an UI with overlapping windows was a great improvement over jumping crazily from one foreground window to others - EXACTLY LIKE METRO SUC*ING UI DESIGN REQUIRES US TO DO 20 YEARS LATER.
With 9.x having a desktop to organize links, applications, files, and receive various kind of updates was an huge improvement over 3.x, and 8 is just reinventing the wheel making the start menu a USELESS SECOND CASTRATED DESKTOP.
Even worse, 8 IS FORCING DESKTOP USERS TO BREAK THE FOCUS ON THEIR ACTIVITIES EVERY TIME THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH METRO UI, that without a good reason cannot be turned off and pops up everywhere even if you are trying to work in the desktop.
This is against any sane UI design.
Windows 8 UI is a big misstep, it tries to reinvent the wheel everywhere and succeeds just in destroying the focus of the user.

And now the touch fuss.
Touchscreens exists since 20 years ago or more, and are widely available at low prices since 10-15 years.
UIs for touchscreens, and application for touchscreens, are mainstream since more than a decade.
But touch is not a good idea for general usage:
- the screen gets dirty
- touching a large screen is not ergonomic, regardless the position
- touching is USELESS for entertainment machines, unless you are Mr Fantastic and can touch a 40" TV on the other side of the room
- mouse is far more precise
- mouse costs less

Please, let me say it is not innovation when someone try to force me to buy / support / develop for / build systems for / an horrible product they are just trying to sell to replace a perfectly working product in order to 1) be able to integrate MY system better with their ADS platform 2) be able to force a quicker machine turnaround, when all users understood nowdays PCs can last 10 years.

 

[killerclick]

Windows 7 until 2020, updates or no updates. I had to stop using Windows desktop gadgets (which I really liked) because Microsoft needed to kill them to make "Live tiles" look exciting and innovative, so now I make do with Rainmeter. If they come out with new DirectX that only works in Windows 8, I'll be using DX11 like I was using DX9 in XP instead of getting Vista. And of course I won't be giving any money to Microsoft (not even for Skype credit), and I'll talk to as many people as I can to stop them from switching to Windows 8, buying Surface or a Windows Phone (family and friends always check with me about what tech to buy).

So I'm doing my part in seeing Microsoft's coup backfire on them.

 

[proffet]

arise Linux come forth and become our fight for independence..
we will resist the evil empire that is MS..
(and Win 8..)

 

[classzero]

This is microsofts way of giving you the bird

 

[spentshells]

[citation][nom]obsama1[/nom]I hope there's a platform update. They should bring WDDM 1.2 and DX11.1 to 7 like when they brought DX11 to Vista.[/citation]

I think you mean dx10 to vista

 

[ejb222]

I've never seen a large group of self entitled people in my life. XP was far from the norm compared to any other OS previously made. It was the longest standing OS and MS had broken it's pattern of releasing a new OS every few years. So all of a sudden we expect XP to be the norm? NO. And NO ONE is forcing anyone to buy or use anything. You have a choice. Choose OSX, or XP, or W7, or Ubuntu, or what ever else you want to use. No one is forcing you to break open your wallet for anything. The logic doesn't compute. And why does W7 need a service pack? If it's so perfect, tell me what it would need a SP for that cant be done through monthly updates?
What a bunch of illogical children this formum is turning into. Cry it up!

 

[JohnUSA]

No matter what evil and sneaky Microsoft does I will NEVER use the horrible and irritating new Windows 8.
Shame on Microsoft for not supporting current Windows 7 users by releasing the needed SP2.
Microsoft.... go to hell.

 

[bystander]

[citation][nom]diddo[/nom]No, that just depends if the change is in better or in worse.And after more than one year of public previews, please stick in your brain that most people, the majority of them being EARLY ADOPTERS GEEKS kind of people (the ones less resilient to changes, fyi), have extensively tested, and most of them DISLIKED, Bob 2.0.Wit Win 1 and 2 the UI was fantastic improvement over cl, and with 3 an UI with overlapping windows was a great improvement over jumping crazily from one foreground window to others - EXACTLY LIKE METRO SUC*ING UI DESIGN REQUIRES US TO DO 20 YEARS LATER.With 9.x having a desktop to organize links, applications, files, and receive various kind of updates was an huge improvement over 3.x, and 8 is just reinventing the wheel making the start menu a USELESS SECOND CASTRATED DESKTOP.Even worse, 8 IS FORCING DESKTOP USERS TO BREAK THE FOCUS ON THEIR ACTIVITIES EVERY TIME THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH METRO UI, that without a good reason cannot be turned off and pops up everywhere even if you are trying to work in the desktop.This is against any sane UI design.Windows 8 UI is a big misstep, it tries to reinvent the wheel everywhere and succeeds just in destroying the focus of the user.And now the touch fuss.Touchscreens exists since 20 years ago or more, and are widely available at low prices since 10-15 years.UIs for touchscreens, and application for touchscreens, are mainstream since more than a decade.But touch is not a good idea for general usage:- the screen gets dirty- touching a large screen is not ergonomic, regardless the position- touching is USELESS for entertainment machines, unless you are Mr Fantastic and can touch a 40" TV on the other side of the room- mouse is far more precise- mouse costs lessPlease, let me say it is not innovation when someone try to force me to buy / support / develop for / build systems for / an horrible product they are just trying to sell to replace a perfectly working product in order to 1) be able to integrate MY system better with their ADS platform 2) be able to force a quicker machine turnaround, when all users understood nowdays PCs can last 10 years.[/citation]

I didn't read your whole wall, but I think it's clear the general idea you are talking about.

The changes are mostly superficial. There are probably nearly no improvements with Win 8, but as a stand along OS, there are very little step backs as well. It's simply a change and obviously you don't like change, and I really don't like it much either. However, that change helps facilitate a one fits all OS. Something that works for tablets, phones and computers. While we have to relearn some things, once you do, this will make it a lot easier on most people, because they no longer have to learn 3 different OS's.

 

[DRosencraft]

I see a lot of people who apparently don't understand how updates even work in Win 7. If you go to the update client, without the Service Pack, you just get a list of all applicable updates, the MS determined important ones already checked off. You hit the update button and you're on your way to download and install all of them. Or, if you're worried something didn't get checked off, click the check box at the top and you can select everything. Either way it doesn't really matter because all a SP would be is those same updates applied as a single download. In other words, it would be the same aggregate size of each individual update, but you wouldn't have a choice of which updates you wanted and which you didn't want. If you're re-installing, it wouldn't really save you much time at all doing it by individual updates versus if they put it all in a SP.

 

[Guest]

i assure you, there will be an SP2 for Windows 7

 

[diddo]

[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]I didn't read your whole wall, [/citation]
I did read you whole blurb, and it's obvious your argument is invalid.
Want real change?
Support UTF-8 standard in the filesystem and API.
Create a read only modality for the OS.
Virtualize the whole thing and let me bring an encrypted image of the system on a memory stick or on any provider's online disk space, so I can use it on the machine I prefer rather than trying to nail me to a machine and an MS account.
It is self-evident MS wrote 8 just because wants to sell ADS and fancy hardware, not longer trying to sell a better system.

 

[proffet]

i assure you, there will be an SP2 for Windows 7

and you are...???
who.

 

[Guest]

I WILL NEVER USE WINDOWS 8. just like vista. they will release sp2 for win7 half a year after win8 release anyway. so far win7 is best for multimedia and games and xp64 is best for work.

 

[Jim_L9]

No SP, then how about a rollup?

 

[spartanmk2]

If only linux was competitive enough to play the latest games...

 

[djscribbles]

"No plans to release SP2" doesn't mean "Not releasing SP2". Sensationalist article, imo.

 

[jackbling]

[citation][nom]festerovic[/nom]Negative. I will be running win 7 until there is compelling reason to upgrade. Lack of SP is not a motivator. And they already burned me with Vista, making me think I needed it to play DX10...Games are still being released in dx9 hah.[/citation]


The compelling reason is performance; you would do well to check the benches.

 

[dimar]

I'm running 8 pro and it's just fine. A lot more responsive than 7. I did have to modify the registry to disable the metro BS. Printer works fine, and for scanner I use VueScan anyway, which has it's own driver. The only thing I'm missing is the Rolland MIDI controller keyboard driver, which should arrive soon, I hope..

 

[skyjogger]

all I hear is people winging who clearly haven't used win 8 for an extended period have just look at metro and gone I don't like it because its different and I like things to stay the same because im comfortable with that. we are trialling win 8 at work I use it every day for productivity and for 99.9999999% of the time the experience is the same as win 7. you sit in the desktop with windows open. it is faster and has some really cool features that make it worth using over 7.
as for the people winging about not having a service pack will mean each time they install windows don't know what they are talking about. either you are a home user and you don't install windows very often and then its slightly annoying but not a problem or you are some one does it lots and don't know what you are doing. some one even said they like service packs because they can stream line them into the image. you can do this with the windows updates as well its really not hard and I imagine any one who works some where they have to image lots of machines have done this any way along with all the drivers for the computers they use. so this is a bit of a non issue

 

[10hellfire01]

[citation][nom]jackbling[/nom]The compelling reason is performance; you would do well to check the benches.[/citation]

Eh...the only performance increase worth talking about is the boot/shutdown times on an HDD. For those with SSDs, including myself and many others, especially the higher end ones, those times are sort of...normal.

Gaming performance too is negligible. When Win8 is a winner, its in terms of a decimal, and when its the loser its the same thing. As for AS SSD benchmarks I've seen floating around, there is a slightly lower overall read of MB/s on Win8, which is again negligible. Same goes for file explorer, and on.

Now not that it can't change. Maybe things will improve with further adjustments as I would expect. How much again is a variable. Overall as it sits there is no reason to upgrade if you own Vista or 7 as I see it. XP and below, yeah it's worth thinking whether you want 7 or 8 and what is best personally.

But I guess you can say Win8 is overall faster since the boot/shutdown times are faster noticeably, and everything else is the same.

 

[diddo]

[citation][nom]skyjogger[/nom]all I hear is people winging who clearly haven't used win 8 for an extended period [/citation]
Funny joke.
Really.
One year ago and 3 preview releases before, it WAS a funny joke.

 

[jackbling]

[citation][nom]10hellfire01[/nom]Eh...the only performance increase worth talking about is the boot/shutdown times on an HDD. For those with SSDs, including myself and many others, especially the higher end ones, those times are sort of...normal.Gaming performance too is negligible. When Win8 is a winner, its in terms of a decimal, and when its the loser its the same thing. As for AS SSD benchmarks I've seen floating around, there is a slightly lower overall read of MB/s on Win8, which is again negligible. Same goes for file explorer, and on.Now not that it can't change. Maybe things will improve with further adjustments as I would expect. How much again is a variable. Overall as it sits there is no reason to upgrade if you own Vista or 7 as I see it. XP and below, yeah it's worth thinking whether you want 7 or 8 and what is best personally.But I guess you can say Win8 is overall faster since the boot/shutdown times are faster noticeably, and everything else is the same.[/citation]

lol, there is no such thing as neglible gaming performance; people spend days testing oc's to get an extra 2-3fps.

Boot time is faster, regardless if that is needed, the fact remains.

The memory footprint is smaller as well, server 2012 core, sits at ~128mb.