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~consul <consul@INVALIDdolphins-cove.com> wrote:
> Keith Davies wrote:
>> ~consul <consul@INVALIDdolphins-cove.com> wrote:
>>>I think that was the green woman, similar with the two long tendrils
>>>flowing down her back. She was pretty hot looking to me. :)
>> Tentacle love?
>> http://ghastly.keenspace.com/
>
> Not the tentacles, but she's got such a powerful and assured stride to
> her walk. Very confident woman.

Ah, the best kind.

I only knew the character from RotS. I haven't watched the others, so I
only saw her long enough to get killed.


Keith
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Matt Frisch wrote:

> Aayla Secura. Shaak-Ti was red with white and black stripes.

> According to Wikipedia, Shaak-Ti was killed by the newly born Vader in the
> Jedi temple. Maybe she was recovering from getting whooped by Grievous,
> there's no really clear mention of how much time takes place between those
> two events.

Does Wikipedia have a concrete source on that?

It's times like this that I really treasure my complete disdain for
everything in the Expanded Universe. It lets me ignore things like
that, or the stuff in the novels where Shaak Ti is the most incompetent
Jedi on the council, and her biggest achievement is badly training two
padawans and then sending them off on a doomed suicide mission that gets
them both killed for no purpose at all. Bah. She should get a
meaningful death scene, preferably following as awesome an action scene
as the one she starred in in Clone Wars.
--
Stephenls
Geek
"You do your arguments no favor by insulting those you ought persuade."
-Greg Stolze, Rites of the Dragon
 
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Between saving the world and having a spot of tea madafro@sbcglobal.net
said

> Has anyone else been keeping up with "Lost?" It's one of the very few
> shows I actually make an effort to be home for. I'm not sure it's
> strictly sci-fi, but it represents my preferred formula: seriously
> character-driven, with just enough wierd stuff to spice things up.

Personally no, because what I have seen is seriously boring.

--
Rob Singers
"All your Ron are belong to us"
Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere
 
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madafro@sbcglobal.net wrote:

> Has anyone else been keeping up with "Lost?" It's one of the very few
> shows I actually make an effort to be home for. I'm not sure it's
> strictly sci-fi, but it represents my preferred formula: seriously
> character-driven, with just enough wierd stuff to spice things up.

I haven't been keeping up with this. The first four episodes were
phenomenal, after that though, it seemed liked the storylines
nosed in without reaching any specific conclusions. For example, I
still haven't found out what ate the aircraft navigator. There was
no episode I viewed that showed the beast that pulled the
navigator out of the cockpit wreckage. Wait a minute... didn't
they shoot a big tiger or something in one of the episodes? A
Tiger couldn't tear up the Jungle, in the manner it was rended in
episode 2. I think the series writers are smoking drugs or are
taking extended vacations to Mexico and trading off writing duties
with interns, or something along those lines. There are moments
when the story is clear and concise, but these moments are more
rare as time progresses. Watching this every week is like watching
someone with alzhiemers degenerate over time. Not my cup of tea.

Re,
Dirk
 
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 00:11:50 GMT, Stephenls <stephenls@shaw.ca> scribed
into the ether:

>Matt Frisch wrote:
>
>> Aayla Secura. Shaak-Ti was red with white and black stripes.
>
>> According to Wikipedia, Shaak-Ti was killed by the newly born Vader in the
>> Jedi temple. Maybe she was recovering from getting whooped by Grievous,
>> there's no really clear mention of how much time takes place between those
>> two events.
>
>Does Wikipedia have a concrete source on that?

Not as far as I can tell. But I don't know where 90% of the stuff that
sites like this come from. The origin of Star Wars names (when not listed
anywhere in the movie credits, not spoken by anyone in the movies, etc)
defy explanation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_Jedi_characters_in_Star_Wars#Ti.2C_Shaak

That's all we got.

>It's times like this that I really treasure my complete disdain for
>everything in the Expanded Universe.

The only EU stuff I've ever been directly exposed to was the Zahn Trilogy
with Thrawn and the first years of the New Republic. I didn't care for the
books so much. They had their moments, but I was overall dissapointed. This
may have more to do with Zahn as a writer, I've never read any of his other
stuff, so I don't have anything to compare it to.

> She should get a
>meaningful death scene, preferably following as awesome an action scene
>as the one she starred in in Clone Wars.

Doesn't hurt that she was voiced by Grey Delisle (who did the voice of
Viconia in the Baldur's Gate series). I doubt that a meaningful death scene
is all that likely, given that she was overall such a minor character.
Hell, in Ep2, she's onscreen for like 15 seconds total, and a third of that
is clumsily getting into one of the clone landing ships.

I wouldn't mind a Clone Wars style show for the time around the end of Ep3
and a few months following it. It would almost certainly be of much higher
quality than the actual films.
 
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 00:00:14 GMT, Keith Davies <keith.davies@kjdavies.org>
scribed into the ether:

>~consul <consul@INVALIDdolphins-cove.com> wrote:
>> Keith Davies wrote:
>>> ~consul <consul@INVALIDdolphins-cove.com> wrote:
>>>>I think that was the green woman, similar with the two long tendrils
>>>>flowing down her back. She was pretty hot looking to me. :)
>>> Tentacle love?
>>> http://ghastly.keenspace.com/
>>
>> Not the tentacles, but she's got such a powerful and assured stride to
>> her walk. Very confident woman.
>
>Ah, the best kind.
>
>I only knew the character from RotS. I haven't watched the others, so I
>only saw her long enough to get killed.

Not actually tentacles, they are refered to as "Head Tails" by someone who
has them in KOTOR.
 
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 02:27:03 GMT, Dirk Collins <dirk.collins@Earthlink.Net>
scribed into the ether:

>madafro@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else been keeping up with "Lost?" It's one of the very few
>> shows I actually make an effort to be home for. I'm not sure it's
>> strictly sci-fi, but it represents my preferred formula: seriously
>> character-driven, with just enough wierd stuff to spice things up.
>
>I haven't been keeping up with this. The first four episodes were
>phenomenal, after that though, it seemed liked the storylines
>nosed in without reaching any specific conclusions. For example, I
>still haven't found out what ate the aircraft navigator. There was
>no episode I viewed that showed the beast that pulled the
>navigator out of the cockpit wreckage.

I've watched every episode...I'm completely hooked...and they have never
shown that beast. It is a deliberate mystery. We only know a few things
about it:

1) It is very large.
2) It is very dangerous
3) It is the "security system" for the island
4) According to an interview Terry O'Quinn, whose character is the only one
to see the beast, it is the most beautiful thing he's ever seen (as told to
him by the producers, since he needed to come up with some kind of a
reaction when he encountered it).

> Wait a minute... didn't
>they shoot a big tiger or something in one of the episodes?

Polar Bear. There have been 2, actually, the first one being killed when it
appeared. An odd thing to find on a tropical island. Probably summoned from
the imagination of one of the crash survivors. The only kid (not including
the recent newborn) on the island who discovered some spanish language
comic books, which included a polar bear.

>There are moments
>when the story is clear and concise, but these moments are more
>rare as time progresses. Watching this every week is like watching
>someone with alzhiemers degenerate over time. Not my cup of tea.

The whole point of it is the mystery. The interconnected stories, the
character flashbacks...unlike the X-Files, the producers have (or so they
have said) a very clear vision of what is going on with the island, so
there should be some pretty uniform consistancy about what is happening.
This is borne out in watching old episodes, where there is tons of
foreshadowing and information that you could never have processed the first
time around, but becomes clear with better insight into the future.
 
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Dirk Collins wrote:
> madafro@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else been keeping up with "Lost?" It's one of the very few
>> shows I actually make an effort to be home for. I'm not sure it's
>> strictly sci-fi, but it represents my preferred formula: seriously
>> character-driven, with just enough wierd stuff to spice things up.
>
> I haven't been keeping up with this. The first four episodes were
> phenomenal, after that though, it seemed liked the storylines
> nosed in without reaching any specific conclusions. For example, I
> still haven't found out what ate the aircraft navigator. There was
> no episode I viewed that showed the beast that pulled the
> navigator out of the cockpit wreckage. Wait a minute... didn't
> they shoot a big tiger or something in one of the episodes? A
> Tiger couldn't tear up the Jungle, in the manner it was rended in
> episode 2. I think the series writers are smoking drugs or are
> taking extended vacations to Mexico and trading off writing duties
> with interns, or something along those lines.

That's because a) They're making everything up as they go along, and b) J.J.
Abrams has a serious cocaine problem.

Recall that he wrote the script for "Superman" which involved Lex Luthor being a
Kryptonian who came to Earth in the Roswell crash and ended up working for the
CIA.

He's a complete ass.

--
Christopher Adams - Sydney, Australia
What part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you
understand?
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/prestigeclasslist.html
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/templatelist.html

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to
danger. It works the same in any country.
 
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Christopher Adams wrote:

> That's because a) They're making everything up as they go along, and b) J.J.
> Abrams has a serious cocaine problem.

> Recall that he wrote the script for "Superman" which involved Lex Luthor being a
> Kryptonian who came to Earth in the Roswell crash and ended up working for the
> CIA.

> He's a complete ass.

IIRC, that script turned out to be a hoax.
--
Stephenls
Geek
"You do your arguments no favor by insulting those you ought persuade."
-Greg Stolze, Rites of the Dragon
 
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 00:08:26 GMT, Stephenls <stephenls@shaw.ca> carved
upon a tablet of ether:

> You know what I want?
>
> 1) I want him to release the original trilogy, with the prints cleaned
> up but otherwise unenhanced, original special effects, and everything.
> On high-quality HD-DVD or Blu-Ray or whatever the next standard is.
> Primarily so that people will stop complaining about it, but secondarily
> because I'd kinda like to see it, too -- it's been over a decade since I
> saw that version of the films, and it'd be nice to go back to it.

I'd like this, too.

> 2) I want another version, as enhanced as he can make it, with all the
> space scenes replaced with CGI of the same quality as the RotS opening
> space combat scene, and all-new CGI choreography on the ANH lightsaber
> duel and enhanced choreography on the Bespin one in ESB, a scene with an
> aged Bail Organa looking up from the surface of Alderaan at its new moon
> just before the Death Star fires, etc. etc.. And Han for preference
> shooting first, but I'd settle for the version on the current DVD where
> they shoot at damn near the exact same time. And any other changes
> Lucas would like to make.

It'd be cool, just so long as Han doesn't shoot second. :)


--
Rupert Boleyn <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
"Just because the truth will set you free doesn't mean the truth itself
should be free."
 
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In article <tukje.7285$tt5.5225@edtnps90>,
"Presto" <donotuse@thisaddress.no> wrote:

> GUSH!!!


Here my short review:
"I got to see it for free, and I still felt like Lucas owed me money."



Charleson Mambo

(good god! the plot holes! the plot holes! it made ST Voyager look good.)
 
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"Wurm" <a@b.c> wrote in message news:d74o91$gsi$1@dns3.cae.ca...

> you're not missing a damn thing by skipping out on either SW1-2 or LoTR
> ;o)..... I wouldnt mind getting those hours of life back

Lord of the Rings? Are you cracked?

--
^v^v^Malachias Invictus^v^v^

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley
 
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Werebat wrote:
> Presto wrote:
>> GUSH!!!
>
> You are gushing blood?
>
> Why doesn't R2-D2 recognize Yoda if he knew him in the past and wasn't
> mindwiped?

Actually, the one plot hole they don't seem to have even come close to
filling is Obi-Wan's line to Luke when he gives him the lightsaber: "Your
father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle
wouldn't allow it."

I was expecting that to be explained in some way, even in just a throwaway
line to Padme that she later mentions to Obi-Wan - but no, in the end he
just picks up Anakin's lightsaber without a word.

--
Mark.
 
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Mark Blunden wrote:

> Actually, the one plot hole they don't seem to have even come close to
> filling is Obi-Wan's line to Luke when he gives him the lightsaber: "Your
> father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle
> wouldn't allow it."

> I was expecting that to be explained in some way, even in just a throwaway
> line to Padme that she later mentions to Obi-Wan - but no, in the end he
> just picks up Anakin's lightsaber without a word.

"Obi-Wan is telling Luke what he thinks Luke needs to hear, but he is
not telling Luke the truth."

There, I filled it for you.
--
Stephenls
Geek
"You do your arguments no favor by insulting those you ought persuade."
-Greg Stolze, Rites of the Dragon
 
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Malachias Invictus wrote:
> Wurm wrote:
>
>> you're not missing a damn thing by skipping out on either SW1-2 or LoTR
>> ;o)..... I wouldnt mind getting those hours of life back
>
> Lord of the Rings? Are you cracked?

I don't regret seeing them at the cinema and I intend to see the extended
editions of both "The Two Towers" and "Return of the King" some day, but . . . I
haven't the faintest inclination to ever watch them again, after that.

Tolkien, even Tolkien jazzed up by Jackson, just isn't my kind of fantasy. Nice
worldbuilding, I can appreciate the craft of it, but it does nothing for me.

Plus I find Elijah Wood intensely irritating as Frodo. Oh, wide eyes, oh, so
hurt by his predicament.

--
Christopher Adams - Sydney, Australia
What part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you
understand?
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/prestigeclasslist.html
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/templatelist.html

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to
danger. It works the same in any country.
 
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"Christopher Adams" <mhacdebhandia@yahoo.invalid> wrote in message
news:1WDle.3043$BR4.1474@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

> Plus I find Elijah Wood intensely irritating as Frodo. Oh, wide eyes, oh,
> so hurt by his predicament.

Try him in Sin City ;-)

--
^v^v^Malachias Invictus^v^v^

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley
 
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Trying to bend this thread back on topic, though it really isn't on
topic for the newsgroup . . .

Someone has been trying to tell me that Palpatine said he didn't know
how to save people from dying. I seem to remember that he suggested he
might know, and never let Anakin think that he didn't. Anyone know
who's right, here?


Ralph Glatt

Member, Old Farts Club
 
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 08:27:55 -0400, "Wurm" <a@b.c> wrote:


>What ruined the movies for me:
>-> Ridiculously over the top acting from almost everyone in the movie,

If in your adaptation of the The Lord of Rings, you do not have people
declaiming, you aren't doing it right.
 
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mhacdebhandia@yahoo.invalid wrote:

> >> you're not missing a damn thing by skipping out on either SW1-2 or LoTR
> >> ;o)..... I wouldnt mind getting those hours of life back
> >
> > Lord of the Rings? Are you cracked?
>
> I don't regret seeing them at the cinema and I intend to see the extended
> editions of both "The Two Towers" and "Return of the King" some day, but . . . I
> haven't the faintest inclination to ever watch them again, after that.
>
> Tolkien, even Tolkien jazzed up by Jackson, just isn't my kind of fantasy. Nice
> worldbuilding, I can appreciate the craft of it, but it does nothing for me.

.... eh? You don't like Tolkien? What kind of a person are you!? :)

But seriously, that's... interesting. I expect you're in the extreme
minority, being a D&D-er with no love for Tolkien.

But even more interesting would be hearing what is you kind of fantasy.
Is there a story that makes you want to play *right now* just so you can
be the people in the story?


--
Jasin Zujovic
jzujovic@inet.hr
 
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Wurm wrote:

> The balrog could have been alot better as well, I've seen scarier and more
> belieavable stuff on video games

You are smoking very bad stuff. This applies to all your other
comments as well, pretty much, but THIS one proves that you've been
taking near-lethal doses of whatever it is.




--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/seawasp/
 
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On 27 May 2005 15:01:21 -0700, julian814@hotmail.com wrote:

>Trying to bend this thread back on topic, though it really isn't on
>topic for the newsgroup . . .
>
>Someone has been trying to tell me that Palpatine said he didn't know
>how to save people from dying. I seem to remember that he suggested he
>might know, and never let Anakin think that he didn't. Anyone know
>who's right, here?

After Annakin agreed to be his apprentice, Palpatine said that only
one person ever had that power, but with the two of them working
together he knew they would be able to rediscover the secret.
 
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Matt Frisch wrote:

> Putting R2 and 3P0 in the prequels was among some of the stupidest things
> that Lucas did, and given the overall shittiness of Eps 1&2, that's saying
> a lot.

No, the mistake is not wrapping up plot holes. But, the droids were
supposed to be in all episodes from the beginning. They are
(supposedly) the ones telling the story.
 
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Werebat wrote:
>
> Because he was mindwiped (they actually come out and say this in Ep3).
>
> However R2 is NOT. This is why he remembers Obi-Wan as his old master
> (and 3PO has no idea what he is talking about) in Ep4.
>
> However, in Ep5, when R2 first meets Yoda he zaps him with a cattleprod.
> He doesn't appear to remember him at all.


Perhaps R2's damage at the end of EP-4 includes some key memory components.
 
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On 27 May 2005 15:01:21 -0700, julian814@hotmail.com scribed into the
ether:

>Trying to bend this thread back on topic, though it really isn't on
>topic for the newsgroup . . .
>
>Someone has been trying to tell me that Palpatine said he didn't know
>how to save people from dying. I seem to remember that he suggested he
>might know, and never let Anakin think that he didn't. Anyone know
>who's right, here?

He lied to Anakin to give him false hope. He did suggest that he might
know, and he indirectly claimed that his old master taught him (he didn't
actually say that Plagueis was his old master, but it is rather strongly
implied), but he also came out and told Anakin during the crucial decision
time that together they could find a way to cheat death, or words to that
effect.

Anything that elicits a strong emotional response is opening a door to the
dark side, Palpatine was just giving Anakin both barrels.
 
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Matt Frisch wrote:

>
> And oh yea...wtf is up with the Death Star apparently taking more than 20
> years to actually build? It looks about 10% done at the end of the movie,
> but it doesn't get finished until 1/3rd of the way through Ep 4...huh?
>
> No wonder Vader needs to motivate those slackers in Ep 6, they can't build
> anything in a timely way.

(not having seen Ep 3 yet)

Sabotage?

Maybe the Death Star in Ep3 isn't framework the Death Star in Episode 4.
Maybe the one in Ep4 is just the first one to make it to operational
status (think of it like this: in Babylon 5's setting, Babylon 5 is the
first of the 5 stations to make it to full operational status, though B4
was fully functional but not in operational status ... perhaps the
ongoing rebellion destroys the first few attempts to build a death star
(so they don't yet know what its full potential is, thus their surprise
in Ep4).

But, then, not having seen Ep3, I don't know if there's a rebellion
right from the get go, or if there's supposedly some delay in time
between Ep3 and the start of the rebellion.

It could also be that the Ep3 Death Star is like the Space Shuttle
Enterprise: a prototype and proof of concept for several key
technologies ... but not actually intended to ever be a fully
operational platform.
 
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