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Amdlova said:
That's beyond of stupid doa doa level 999
People who has the 1080ti still laugthing hard.
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I had to shell out that kind of money to get a new video card. My old 1060 bit the dust a year ago, and the AMD IGP was literally melting down while playing that graphically intense game 'Command and Conquer: Red Alert'. What else could I do?
 
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Papusan said:
What a failure. 4060Ti should perform more like the older 3070(Ti) from previous gen graphics cards. Both the new and shiny and the older 3070 have same 8GB vram buffer. My 3070's 3DM Speed Way score is around 25% higher. Can't beat new and modern. New has to be better newer, LOOL

Same also with the rest of the 3DMark Suite benchmarks. 4060Ti . Not sure I will say this release is a huge failure or a real Joke. Put in what's fits. Nvidia sell software for fake frame boost nowadays. Hardware will come second or last. On top people will have to pay massive premium on HW that perform worse than 2 years old cards. The only good option from Nvidia this gen is the 4090. The rest is pure overpriced scam.

New and shiny....
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My old 3070 https://www.3dmark.com/sw/476299
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This is just disgusting. If you live in a tax hell as I then add 25% on top of already overpriced cards. And if you want the so called better custom cards then add 100$ on top + tax. RTX 4060 Ti custom card with 16GB vram will for me cost near $650 or close to the 3080 nvidia suggested $699 price point. Nice, for a xx60 card.

The $1,600 RTX 4090
The $1,200 RTX 4080
The $800 RTX 4070 Ti
The $600 RTX 4070
The $399 RTX 4060 Ti 8GB (coming May 24) or $499 RTX 4060 Ti 16GB (July 2023)
The $299 RTX 4060 (coming July 2023)

And don't let me start talk about the Red sides offering (RX 7600). That will be even a worse deal. Yep, we live in sad times. Screwed by greed and scam.
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No, the problem is nVidia owns the market, and they price their cards that high because they can.
 
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The 8GB on GPU is inexcusable.

But the lack in performance uplift is not that hard to understand. Jensen wasn't kidding when he said Moore's law was dead. We are now down to a yearly performance increase of maybe 10%.

In the 90s the pace of innovation was furious, you would get double the performance every year.

Soon you're going to need a magnifying glass to see any performance difference:

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atomicWAR said:
Been burned to many times, so no sorry. Maybe if they get a couple more launches AND there drivers right. But they need to ALSO catch up on performance and features. Neither of which I see happening anytime soon.
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is it not spreading false facts about AMD ?
Yeah the early 5000 series drivers were really bad ..
6000 series were like 1000 times better and while i cant personally comment on Nvidia drivers ( because ive not owned a Nvidia GPU since the 1070 that came in my alienware aurora R7 like 100 years ago ) im sure they are not with out their own issues that never seems to get talked about often !!

unlike what ever scummy anti consumer BS Nvidia pulls out year after year , AMD's drivers are still bad !!
its a excuse just not a very good one in my opinion !!

100% they need to start matching the higher end Nvidia GPU's in both raw 90series and RT performance and i think next gen after the success of the 4090 AMD will and should take a huge swing at the 5090 !!

i honestly think they can scare Nvidia with a bunch of RT cores scattered around the MCM design 3d v cache and Gddr7 ..
If it can compete with the 5090 a 1700usd price tag wont look out of place as i dont see Nvidia's next flag ship coming any cheaper than the 1600 1700usd price tag !!
 
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i fixed a lot of bsod in here the last 6 years and i have seen way more problems with Nvidia drivers than AMD. True, they own market so the number of AMD cards I saw is less but its still something.

When you own a market you don't have to try with software. Logitech used to be like this. Razer currently are,

I haven't had any problems with drivers on my 7900xt.
 
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sitehostplus said:
No, the problem is nVidia owns the market, and they price their cards that high because they can.
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Its kinda changing though AMD this gen has been selling very very well over the over priced 4080 the 4080 12gb ( i mean 4070ti ) the 4070ti BS hurt them alot!!
more people are looking at AMD than last gen you need only look at multiple treads scatted over the net youtube forums etc etc people are changing their minds ..
they might own the market now but its changing stupid thing is Nvidia is the one doing it to themselves ..
At this point its sheer FN hubris !!
 
ilukey77 said:
when the 7800xt releases which strikes me as the 4060ti match the 4060ti will lose badly !!
if you do the product matches it the 7900xtx vs 4080 the 7900xt vs the 4070ti so natural progression is the 7800xt vs the 4060ti the 7600 is just the ( rather pathetic 8gb answer as in 2023 no 8gb cards should exist ) answer to the 4060 !!
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Problem is AMD will not want to price 7800XT where 4060Ti will be. That's why AMD end up skipping 7800 and 7700 right now. There are talks about AMD can't price 7800XT at or below $600.
 
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renz496 said:
Problem is AMD will not want to price 7800XT where 4060Ti will be. That's why AMD end up skipping 7800 and 7700 right now. There are talks about AMD can't price 7800XT at or below $600.
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maybe but Nvidia have kinda backed them into a corner they need a 4060 16gb competitor they would be stupid not to bring out at least a 7800xt even if its a 7700xt really !!
or bring out a 7800xt as the 4060 16 beater at $600 $700 then dump the prices !!
if it beats Nvidia by a decent amount it going to sell !!
 
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Psiboy69 said:
Where is your credit to videocardz.com? Not to mention the rest of the comparison they had! Dodgy journalism at best, plaigarism at worst! One of many reasons I only visit this site about once every 6 months or so now.
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Maybe toms have embargo from Nvidia... and can't show all story. But has the font name and that's all need. If you want the full story Google it.
 
sitehostplus said:
No, the problem is nVidia owns the market, and they price their cards that high because they can.
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It will be like this as long AMD can't or won't compete in fake frame features and offer better performance. Just look at the RX7600. A real Joke. And then look at 7900XT. A $649 card priced at $899 USD. And if you look closer, AMDs partners try to make the the price more appealing with destroying the 7900XT. The GPU market is destroyed due greed.

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Cheaper NITRO from Sapphire Sapphire introduced a cheaper version of the NITRO graphics card based on Radeon RX 7900 XT SKU. Sapphire China has introduced a new card this weekend is called “RX7900XT 20G Ultra Platinum L”. This is obviously a sibling of the RX 7900 XT NITRO+ Vapor-X GPU that we...
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It's very close to being twice as a fast as January 2019's RTX 2060 (6GB) - so well over four years to create a mid-range card that is twice as fast. I might pick one up... assuming it's not crazy expensive - it's now very clear the RTX 4060 won't reach 2x the speed of RTX 2060.
 
Utterly failure..... a refreshed 3060ti really? That's beyond what I could imagine as the bottom of failure!!!! Wtf is wrong with people defending this card????
 
ilukey77 said:
100% they need to start matching the higher end Nvidia GPU's in both raw 90 series and RT performance ...
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As much as most of what you said makes sense, I simply can't agree on this point.

It is highly unlikely that you'll get two manufacturers matching performance on anything. There are multiple architectures in play here. To get two identical outcomes is improbable, that it can only lead to one outcome, the continuation of "X's card is faster", "X's RT is faster".

Even if it's only by 5%, it's still faster - you only have to follow the CPU comparisons to see this. People will pay the extra for that little extra.
 
Until AMD comes out with official pricing (unless I missed it somewhere?), it's moot to compare the 4060ti and RX7600. Even more when I strongly believe there is an XT/XTX variant AMD has been keeping quiet about, but nVidia got the mindshare first with the 4060ti 16GB. Then you have the usual guard blindly defending anything nVidia puts out like the religious zealots they are.

Speculation and all, I still think AMD has a winning chance in this price bracket, but have to be super careful how they communicate and price the 7600 siblings (if there's more than one).

Regards.
 
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Alvar Miles Udell said:
$470 (or about $500 after tax) for an ENTRY LEVEL gaming card...That is absolutely insane...

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GIGABYTE's RTX 4060 Ti pricing pitches its top-end graphics card at $470

Yes, that's in touching distance of the price of the 16GB version of the RTX 4060 Ti set to arrive in July - so does that really make any sense?
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What do you mean? That is a premium cooler. People will buy it for looks.

People do it all the time. You have all the DIY PC building industry revolving around RGB disco lighting and large impractical heatsinks which look good. You almost cannot find a case without freaking window so that people can LOOK AT THEIR BEAUTIFUL HARDWARE.

This is a feast of insanity and irrationality.
 
atomicWAR said:
Been burned to many times, so no sorry. Maybe if they get a couple more launches AND there drivers right. But they need to ALSO catch up on performance and features. Neither of which I see happening anytime soon.
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To be fair there's videos proving that AMD drivers aren't as bad as people make them out to be or at the very least there aren't way more AMD drivers vs Nvidia
 
Alvar Miles Udell said:
$470 (or about $500 after tax) for an ENTRY LEVEL gaming card...That is absolutely insane...

www.tweaktown.com

GIGABYTE's RTX 4060 Ti pricing pitches its top-end graphics card at $470

Yes, that's in touching distance of the price of the 16GB version of the RTX 4060 Ti set to arrive in July - so does that really make any sense?
www.tweaktown.com www.tweaktown.com
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I'm wondering if the 4060 Ti even has enough power under the hood to utilize 16gb of VRAM, or if your games will run like a slideshow if you turn on enough settings to fill it. If the latter is the case, then the extra 8gb of VRAM over the base card will be completely useless, and a waste of $100.
 
BeedooX said:
As much as most of what you said makes sense, I simply can't agree on this point.

It is highly unlikely that you'll get two manufacturers matching performance on anything. There are multiple architectures in play here. To get two identical outcomes is improbable, that it can only lead to one outcome, the continuation of "X's card is faster", "X's RT is faster".

Even if it's only by 5%, it's still faster - you only have to follow the CPU comparisons to see this. People will pay the extra for that little extra.
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well what i mean is they need to be in the same ball park the 4090 crushed AMD this gen and AMD can ill afford to let that happen again ..
they need solid competition with Nvidia's flagship !! be it a beater or very very close !!
this gen AMD has dominated the mid tier class the 4080 was over priced at release the 7900xtx sold much better the 7900xt is ( amd should have dumped the price as soon as the 4070ti released ) a better GPU than the 4070ti even for its lower RT performance 20gb gives in a super long life span over the 4070ti !!

The 7900xt could be the champion card for a few gens here with its 20gb !!

what they are missing is that 4090 competitor and frankly its to late for the 7950xtx as the 4090ti will come back and eat it anyway .. they need that 8900xtx to be a 5090 competitor at release !!
 
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2080 Super - 8GB
2060 - 12GB

3080 - 10GB
3060 - 12GB

4070Ti - 12GB
4060Ti - 16GB

Go home NVidia, you're drunk

Oh, and don't get me started on memory bandwidth.... Lol
 
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