Rumor: AMD's Single-GPU R9 390X Will Be Liquid Cooled

[fkr]

if it is a small rad I can stick in that side intake (140mm) on my haf 912 that would be great. i guess the second would be mounted to the rear exhaust (120mm). that would leave me with one 200mm in the front and one 200mm in the top and that should be plenty with all of the gpu heat taken out of the case, back to silent gaming. my current CF 7950's (I run 1440p) make a hell of a noise while gaming and i have to use in ear headphones so i do not notice the noise or the kids.

 

[jimmysmitty]

It is great that the heat issues have been worked out, but doesn't change the fact that this card most likely needs liquid cooling. That heat is still generated and still has to go somewhere, I guess it is fine if you can get most of it out of the case and not increase ambient temps.

Actually that is to be determined. The biggest question is if it is using 22nm. If so, it can lower power draw and thermals while increasing the core count. The other side is that they might be using the liquid cooling closed loop system to their advantage since it is cheap enough to put out a single GPU card that will push NVidia harder. I am all for that as it will force NVidia to work harder as well.

I agree about pushing Nvidia, but the 20 mn(22 is Intel) just got up to speed and was completely booked by mobile until the beginning of next year. So the 390X is either going to be delayed until then or come out on the 28 nm. The reason Nvidia is so late with the new cards is probably because they were waiting for the 20nm, which got delayed and then they decided to retool it for 28 nm as a stop gap for 20nm. There are even rumors that they'll skip 20 nm altogether and go with 16 nm.

There is always the chance. That's why I was wondering if it is 20nm or not as I find that aspect to be more important. If it is not then the 300 series is not going to be as good as the rumors because as it stands the 290X needs a lot of good cooling and if you add in 50% more everything (some of the rumors) while using the same core design it will just get hotter than hell.

It shows with Intels Netburst. The more GHz and cores added, the hotter it got as it was not a very efficient core design unlike say Haswell (at idle my PC is using about 24w which is pretty insane).

I guess rumors are always rumors and we wont know till much later.

 

[bystander]

Has anyone also considered that this AIO cooler might be fully built into the shroud? I have a 92mm radiator in my PC, and it could easily be reconfigured to fit inside my 7970...

If it used a radiator inside the card, then there would be no reason to use liquid cooling. The advantage of liquid cooling is to allow for a larger radiator or to move the heat to another location, but left inside the card at the same size, it has no real advantage.

 

[silentorange18]

for me NVIDIA did not need a LIQUID COOLER to cool down their GPU since MAXWELL is Very efficient GPU (performance per watts) this proved by thier first maxwell video card GTX 750 TI so why AMD did not try to manage to make their GPU less heat output but more performance ? mean NVIDIA is Unbeatable to this thing or AMD focus only on performance? not efficiency

 

[crisan_tiberiu]

To be honest, flagship should really be flagship. I like what AMD is doing. I love the stock nvidia cooler aswell (what is on the Titan, 780ti, 690).

 

[CaptainTom]

Has anyone also considered that this AIO cooler might be fully built into the shroud? I have a 92mm radiator in my PC, and it could easily be reconfigured to fit inside my 7970...

If it used a radiator inside the card, then there would be no reason to use liquid cooling. The advantage of liquid cooling is to allow for a larger radiator or to move the heat to another location, but left inside the card at the same size, it has no real advantage.

Not true. The actual processor on the board is the part that needs to stay cool. If they put the die on the far end of the board, and then used liquid tubes to move the heat quickly to the radiator at the other end, it could cool it better than just a big block of metal.

 

[ferooxidan]

Come on let the war begin! I was thinking about getting Maxwell for sure since there is no news about AMD making new line up and how impressive Maxwell performance/power consumption was. But now I will wait untill both release their full line up. I want something decent that can max every game at fhd with approximately low power consumption.

 

[Guest]

What is all this BS from Nvidia fanboys claiming that because AMD is using an AIO cooler for the R9 390 series, therefore it uses a lot of power and it sucks. Where is the source to back it up?

 

[silentorange18]

Higher TDP = More Power Consume = More Heat produce

 

[Morbus]

The best card I ever had for the money was the HD 4870 that I got in mid 2009 for $150 new.

I had a HD 4890 1GB that I bought late 2009 for 130€ used, and it lasted me up to November last year. Best card I ever had for the money, but I'm very happy with my GTX760.

 

[Gaidax]

Hmm, to be honest I don't like it. I mean it sounds "cool" and all, but it also means that 390X will be pretty inefficient if it needs to go as far as having liquid cooling on the stock card.

Don't know if I like it or not, really, it almost seems as AMD will just try to brute force the problem instead of coming with actual new architecture like Nvidia.

 

[4ktv]

Hmm, to be honest I don't like it. I mean it sounds "cool" and all, but it also means that 390X will be pretty inefficient if it needs to go as far as having liquid cooling on the stock card.

Don't know if I like it or not, really, it almost seems as AMD will just try to brute force the problem instead of coming with actual new architecture like Nvidia.

I think they are trying there best to make a really good halo card than anything else. So long as it curb stumps the GTX 980 and comes in a good price point. Then I really don't care much about how "inefficient" it is. It's like going that corvette is nice but it only gets 17mpg in the city so I am going to use a Prius in the race because it gets 40mpg.

If 50w in power use breaks the bank, then please don't buy a $400-500 GPU.

 

[Because0789]

What is all this BS from Nvidia fanboys claiming that because AMD is using an AIO cooler for the R9 390 series, therefore it uses a lot of power and it sucks. Where is the source to back it up?

I don't think anybody was saying that it sucks, just likely power hungry and hot.

 

[4ktv]

Well a lot of them implied it sucked because they couldn't "match" NVidia with out coming out with an "insane water cooled thing".

 

[gear999]

Maybe AMD saw this and got pissed off 😛
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YJsMaT_AE

 

[silentorange18]

Why AMD plan to water cooled this card if not SUPPER HOT ? i dont get a reason why amd do it ?
oh well its still a leak so it more possibly true or false

 

[heero yuy]

sounds like NVidia will really have to pull out all the stops on their 980 if the 390X is some batshit insane liquid cooled thing

Not at all. AMD is the one doing the "batshit insane liquid cooled thing" because they no longer can compete with Nvidia on air and have to resort to extreme measures to keep their GPUs from melting.

tonga+ or whatever decent performance for less power and heat they appear to be working on low power but powerful GPUs

 

[siman0]

I thought I heard that AMD was going with a 20nm but since it wasn't going to be done in the time frame they wanted they were trying a 28nm HPM node over the HP node they used on the 2xx series. guess the HPM node wasn't enough

 

[anthony8989]

Liquid cooling has been around forever, there's no innovation there.. It's a crutch. I am sad for the AMD engineers that have no budget to develop new more efficient technology. They're being forced to pair current tech with liquid cooling and OC it. Like the Vishera CPU / water bundle. Disappointing.

I'd like to have the option of liquid cooling my CPU/GPU - not forced on me.

The R9 295x2 was cool and very powerful, even a beautiful looking card, but c'mon. Now every flag ship AMD card is going to have an AOI liquid cooling system on it just to be able to compete.

 

[bystander]

Has anyone also considered that this AIO cooler might be fully built into the shroud? I have a 92mm radiator in my PC, and it could easily be reconfigured to fit inside my 7970...

If it used a radiator inside the card, then there would be no reason to use liquid cooling. The advantage of liquid cooling is to allow for a larger radiator or to move the heat to another location, but left inside the card at the same size, it has no real advantage.

Not true. The actual processor on the board is the part that needs to stay cool. If they put the die on the far end of the board, and then used liquid tubes to move the heat quickly to the radiator at the other end, it could cool it better than just a big block of metal.

No, it would not be better. Your radiator would be too small to dissipate as much heat as a simple HSF solution as you just shrunk the radiator and moved it to another corner of the shroud. Liquid cooling is every bit as reliant on the size of the radiator as the Heat Sink is reliant on size. If you don't increase the size or air flow, a liquid cooling loop does not improve anything.

Why do you think no one has ever done this idea? If it was advantageous, an aftermarket solution of this type would exist.

 

[icemunk]

Nice, I like this idea.

 

[fanchiuho]

sounds like NVidia will really have to pull out all the stops on their 980 if the 390X is some insane liquid cooled thing

Not at all. AMD is the one doing the "insane liquid cooled thing" because they no longer can compete with Nvidia on air and have to resort to extreme measures to keep their GPUs from melting.

If you extrapolated this from the FX-9590 vs. i7 fiasco then I'm sorry to say you're utterly wrong.

 

[mamasan2000]

I hope I'm wrong but I have a feeling the 980 and 390 are both going to disappoint. I've seen benchmarks saying the 980 is barely faster then 780. Other sources say it's 30% above the 780ti. I'm pretty sure the new AND line won't be leaps and bounds better then Nvidia. They are always +/- 10% and cheaper but louder/hotter/poor drivers.

I don't understand the Driver-argument. Poor drivers hasn't been the case with ATI/AMD for at least 10 years.

Do the following: Go to google.com, search for "display driver has stopped responding". And at the end you add Nvidia. How many hits do you get? Then you do the same with AMD. How many hits do you get?
In my experience, Nvidia drivers suck. Newer versions of drivers give poorer performance and all kinds of issues left and right. And I only just got the dam card. I've had ATI-cards for 15 years. I did have the original Geforce once upon a time. Thats when ATI last had driver issues IMHO.
The black-screen issue is not about drivers. It is about their partners (Sapphire etc) trying to be cheap in terms of components (but failing). And Nvidia has that same issue. Can't fix hardware limitations with software.

 

[anthony8989]

I don't understand the Driver-argument. Poor drivers hasn't been the case with ATI/AMD for at least 10 years.

Do the following: Go to google.com, search for "display driver has stopped responding". And at the end you add Nvidia. How many hits do you get? Then you do the same with AMD. How many hits do you get?
In my experience, Nvidia drivers suck. Newer versions of drivers give poorer performance and all kinds of issues left and right. And I only just got the dam card. I've had ATI-cards for 15 years. I did have the original Geforce once upon a time. Thats when ATI last had driver issues IMHO.
The black-screen issue is not about drivers. It is about their partners (Sapphire etc) trying to be cheap in terms of components (but failing). And Nvidia has that same issue. Can't fix hardware limitations with software.

Do the following: Google "BSoD Nvidia" then google "BSoD AMD" . How many hits you get?

And what does that prove? Google works in mysterious ways. FYI Sapphire is one of the best Radeon partners on the market. To me, it just sounds like you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[M0j0jojo]

You guys realize that, the only reason they are doing liquid cooling is because, AMD cards produce so much heat. Where as Geforce cards, still use aircooling because they require less power and can still out perform many of AMDs cards.