Console gaming is always outdated in graphics. But the real recent issue is that it was outdated in terms of gameplay too. Who cares about graphics if all you have to do is push 2 buttons here and there or push the button at the right moment or mash the button... The only BIG thing I expect from this generation of consoles is that multi-threading programming of games will become mainstream and PC gamers will finally have a fully-used CPU when playing modern games, not just OC to 4Ghz cause the game will only use 1 core.
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I really hope MS goes draconian with the no used games and always on internet and camera so I can watch them fail. Keep on charging for internet play and no Blue Ray too that will help customers choose your Crtapbox too.
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I dont give a rip about the PS4 really. Good for the younger crowd to finally get some descent graphics and power. I'll stick with my PC (2 x 4Gb 680s, 2 x 512Gb SSDs, 2560 x 1600 res display 2 x 40" samsung led tvs, room filling surround) Yeh it cost 4 times as much as a console, but its the best experience you can get anywhere short of a government funded virtual reality setup. Once you play at this level youll never want to play on a console again.
Like people have said, games will decide what is better. the 360 undoubtably had the advantage in this passing generation - not the say the ps3 didn't have some, just not the majority.
Then look at the Wii - utterly awful hardware and graphics, but it didn't matter because it delivered the games that the masses liked. This is about supply and demand, not niche market segments of hardcore players.
Microsoft seem intent on pushing the notion of movement based gameplay: this I think will be their biggest undoing. Was it Gabe who said no one wants to wave their arms around in front of a tv? Because he is right. Certainly there is a market for it, but I wouldn't say that THAT was the reason for the Wii's success. It's like the idea of smart TVs... what's wrong with pressing a button on a remote? Instead we have to make stupid gestures at a tv - is that gonna work after a few beers?
Social integration and movement sensing will not sell next gen, games will.
Then look at the Wii - utterly awful hardware and graphics, but it didn't matter because it delivered the games that the masses liked. This is about supply and demand, not niche market segments of hardcore players.
Microsoft seem intent on pushing the notion of movement based gameplay: this I think will be their biggest undoing. Was it Gabe who said no one wants to wave their arms around in front of a tv? Because he is right. Certainly there is a market for it, but I wouldn't say that THAT was the reason for the Wii's success. It's like the idea of smart TVs... what's wrong with pressing a button on a remote? Instead we have to make stupid gestures at a tv - is that gonna work after a few beers?
Social integration and movement sensing will not sell next gen, games will.
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[citation][nom]soldier2013[/nom]I dont give a rip about the PS4 really. Good for the younger crowd to finally get some descent graphics and power. I'll stick with my PC (2 x 4Gb 680s, 2 x 512Gb SSDs, 2560 x 1600 res display 2 x 40" samsung led tvs, room filling surround) Yeh it cost 4 times as much as a console, but its the best experience you can get anywhere short of a government funded virtual reality setup. Once you play at this level youll never want to play on a console again.[/citation]
Speak for yourself. Not everyone sees things in black and white. If you can afford to throw away 2 grand on a PC, you can afford an extra $500 for a console. Some of us are capable of seeing that the games matter more than the hardware and that you can own both without the neighbors rioting and wielding pitchforks outside your house. Video games are entertainment. Anyone who thinks they are a status symbol lives a very sad life.
Speak for yourself. Not everyone sees things in black and white. If you can afford to throw away 2 grand on a PC, you can afford an extra $500 for a console. Some of us are capable of seeing that the games matter more than the hardware and that you can own both without the neighbors rioting and wielding pitchforks outside your house. Video games are entertainment. Anyone who thinks they are a status symbol lives a very sad life.
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[citation][nom]schwiing[/nom]Outdated as in, the hardware is already at least one generation back (and will be most likely on the new XBOX) when compared to PC hardware.[/citation]
I doubt you will find a $500 machine that will run games as well as the next console...
I doubt you will find a $500 machine that will run games as well as the next console...
[citation][nom]schwiing[/nom]Outdated as in, the hardware is already at least one generation back (and will be most likely on the new XBOX) when compared to PC hardware.[/citation]
Oh yeah, let's put a "Titan" (that's the name of latest dumbass card from nVidia isn't it) into consoles shell we?
Or lets cross fire em!
No wait, let's put THREE of them, will still fit in console box, wouldn' t it?
Who cares that it would cost gazillion of bucks to manufacture, it will wee wee sooo passionatelly when trying to cool itself off...
HAVE YOU SEEN THE DAMN DEMOS, shown on PS4 event? Did graphics look "outdated" let alone "last genertion" to you? Do you know anyone planning to use consoles on resolutions beyond 1080p? Maybe multi TV setup eh?
Even several years old PC hardware can play most games nicely at 1080p. 8 core Jaguar with 7 series AMD graphics, integrated, with high performance memory, makes oh so much sense:
1) it's more than fast enough
2) it's cheap
3) it doesn't consume much electricity, so it neither requires wee-weeeee-errrrjau cooling
Oh yeah, let's put a "Titan" (that's the name of latest dumbass card from nVidia isn't it) into consoles shell we?
Or lets cross fire em!
No wait, let's put THREE of them, will still fit in console box, wouldn' t it?
Who cares that it would cost gazillion of bucks to manufacture, it will wee wee sooo passionatelly when trying to cool itself off...
HAVE YOU SEEN THE DAMN DEMOS, shown on PS4 event? Did graphics look "outdated" let alone "last genertion" to you? Do you know anyone planning to use consoles on resolutions beyond 1080p? Maybe multi TV setup eh?
Even several years old PC hardware can play most games nicely at 1080p. 8 core Jaguar with 7 series AMD graphics, integrated, with high performance memory, makes oh so much sense:
1) it's more than fast enough
2) it's cheap
3) it doesn't consume much electricity, so it neither requires wee-weeeee-errrrjau cooling
[citation][nom]bison88[/nom]Given XBL really has no competition from Sony (yet) it's hard to really bitch about it.[/citation]
Sony has free PSN with free online play and games.
In what way exactly is there no competition from Sony? There is no xbox compatible PSN, yeah.
Sony has free PSN with free online play and games.
In what way exactly is there no competition from Sony? There is no xbox compatible PSN, yeah.
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[citation][nom]cercuitspark[/nom]I've heard rumours of an $99 Xbox that will still keep the Xbox Live Gold stuff for all of the Internet connected things. (I've also read it in an article at "Wired").[/citation]
Yeah, that was one of the rumors that I heard, a discount on the console with a 2 year contract to Xbox Live. I doubt it'll be $99 though, the console itself is rumored to cost $400, there's no way that they'll give you that much of a discount, unless they're actually switching to the rumored 3 tier system, and the discount actually comes with a 2 year contract to Platinum. If that rumor is true, Platinum would include things like discounts, free games (like Playsation Plus), and possibly even streaming cable channels (man, that poster at the top just made me think of something, what if they're partnering with Comcast for these streaming cable channels, Xbox Infinity = Comcast Xfinity. That's probably way out on a limb, but still.)
Yeah, that was one of the rumors that I heard, a discount on the console with a 2 year contract to Xbox Live. I doubt it'll be $99 though, the console itself is rumored to cost $400, there's no way that they'll give you that much of a discount, unless they're actually switching to the rumored 3 tier system, and the discount actually comes with a 2 year contract to Platinum. If that rumor is true, Platinum would include things like discounts, free games (like Playsation Plus), and possibly even streaming cable channels (man, that poster at the top just made me think of something, what if they're partnering with Comcast for these streaming cable channels, Xbox Infinity = Comcast Xfinity. That's probably way out on a limb, but still.)
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Agreed. The level of graphics I was seeing in those PS4 demos was equal to what a mid-high end PC can do now. For instance, the Watch Dogs PS4 demo seemed to match the E3 demo which was running on a high end PC. Buy a $500 PC now, and I highly doubt it'll meet the minimum requirements of multi-platform games in 6 years, while the $400 Xbox Infinity and PS4 will still be playing those same games.
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[citation][nom]shikamaru31789[/nom]Agreed. The level of graphics I was seeing in those PS4 demos was equal to what a mid-high end PC can do now. For instance, the Watch Dogs PS4 demo seemed to match the E3 demo which was running on a high end PC. Buy a $500 PC now, and I highly doubt it'll meet the minimum requirements of multi-platform games in 6 years, while the $400 Xbox Infinity and PS4 will still be playing those same games.[/citation]
Here are some the very realworld ISSUES that makes having a $600 gaming card... seem silly. (Mind you, I'm a computer gamer - And I still have my Odyssey2 , Vectrex, C=128 and Amiga hardware I grew up with).
1) Most, if not all AAA game titles are out for consoles... many are only FOR consoles.
2) What AAA titles that comes out for PC... are ported from consoles and lately, they have little or no improvement over the consoles which currently do 1920x1080 res... typical PC monitor. This is NOT like the old days of GTA-SF in which the PC version blew away the consoles. UT3 is a good/bad example of a console port to PC.
3) Its business. For those gaming companies... they are going to go what makes them MORE money. The closed design of the console means that the game is 99+% compatible for that console... for at least 5 years. If you sell 100,000 copies for PC, its a blockbuster! Even crap can sell a million+ units for a console.
4) WOW - is a factor that hurts PC games. When you have 10+ million players playing a long-term game, many such players don't have time to play other games.
5) DRM - Is getting worse/better for PC. I don't buy DRMed to death game titles... not even for $5 such as Mirrors Edge, BioShock, etc. I understand and support developers making money (the coders tend to make little money), but SecuROM 7 and others that do limited installs (3~7) do NOT STOP piracy. They only hurt the people who actually BUY the game! Yes, I can get my hands on a pirated Mirrors Edge if I wanted too... I even considered buying the game and going with the cracked copy to avoid the DRM. Screw it. I never played Mirrors Edge. Now, of course with the future XBOX and in modern consoles in general - the DRM is built into the hardware.
I don't have a problem with that because its tied to the games themselves. Not my computer, not my business, not my personal stuff. Now, if these game companies (especially MS) turn into complete assholes and lock the game to the hardware so that YOU CANNOT play your game at a friends place or resell... that is a problem.
There is a market for used games. MS/SONY/etc are not going to make MORE money by locking out the 2nd-hand market or sharing. Thats the point of portability. My son can take his Wii games to a friends home and play there, etc.
6) Costs. yeah yeah, you keep talking about $500 PCs... but that is not what a typical non-techie person can do. I know what my PC can do... and I gather you know yours. But for most... What does a $75 gaming card do vs a $150 model? Most people spend around $100 or less. Hell, I'm still on my ATI-4670 card because it plays the games I have quite well... even thou I have a new i5-3570K with 16GB of RAM, SSD, etc... The ATI/AMD 7000 series is meh, not much different from the 6000 series and the 8000 series may come out for Christmas of 2013. *another issue below*
So... Joe-Blow wants to PC gaming. He goes to BestBuy or Walmart and sees the $500 or so PC and compares that to a $250 console from Sony or MS. Hmmm... wait there's more... a typical $500 PC is crap for gaming... Lets play Joe-Blow
(6-1) Goes to walmart, pics up a $500 bundle: HP Black p2-1343wb Desktop PC Bundle with AMD E2-1800. (Includes a 20" monitor, a $100 value). Note, as *YOU* should know - Intel systems are the fastest for gaming... but costs about $50~100 more than AMD. But the E2-1800 isn't even an A-series class CPU. The AMD- E-Series are like multi-core P3/Atoms, but a lot better. But I had to dig through many levels to find out what this POS Win8 computer has.... does it even have slots? Well... looks like it has NO slots, even thou its in a PC-desktop like case. I went to 4 sites, nothing. Did find out its at least a dual core. Okay... Joe has to return this computer to the store since what he bought is nothing more than a a system with the power of a table in an old-box form-factor.
(6-2) Okay, Joe then buys the HP Pavilion p7-1500z for $570 (maybe at Best Buy) with AMD A8-5500 quad-core (actually dual core) with 8GB RAM. If he buys it from HP... that is the price at least. The "best" gaming card they offer is a 2GB AMD Radeon HD 7570. ($120) = $690 total and won't get it until March 3rd.
(6-3) Now, in case YOU don't know... because JOE doesn't. He paid $120 for an OEM card that is a 2 year old design (Its a re-badged 6570, nothing more). Had he gone to Newegg, the $90 7750 would be about TWICE as fast! I looked at the specs... that $120 OEM 7570 is NO faster than my four year old $90 ATI 4670!! Infact, texture fill rate and bandwith is below my card which was cheaper back then).
(6-4) Okay... Joe is now up to $700~900 for a bottom end gaming rig. On Newegg, that POS HD-7570 card is sold in Dell, HP, Acers computers for gamers!!
(6-5) Joe finds how that games runs like crap on his lower-end PC (that I or you could have built ourselves for less) and after talking to some people online, he finds out he needs a REAL gaming card... something like the HD-7850 card ($170~338 ~ Newegg ~ BestBuy). But since he maybe typical, he buys it from bestbuy (or Walmart) for $240. His total PC gaming hardware is now $940~1150.
(6-6) Now, Joe is at a junction. Does he (A) put in the video card and watch his system fry or fail to powerup or (B) knows he needs a 500watt PSU? Either way, he's got a dead computer or another expense... which means he spends $25 for a POS garbage PSU or $50~90 on a good PSU.
So... with an AVG performance computer with a mid-range video card, Joe has spent $1000~1200 and many many hours putting hardware together... unless he paid GeekSquad $50~100 to do it for him.
(6-7) or... he could have bought the PS3 for $280 (includes Uncharted3 - not available for PC) and be done with it?
For $1000, that could have bought the console (with Blu-ray movie playback) and a 50~55" HD-TV with 60~120hz refresh-rate. You know... playing a FPS on a 46"+ display is more "IN THE GAME" than on your typical 20~22" displays that people use.
7) Windows is quickly becoming irreverent. Win8 shows this... its nothing more than a support system for MS-OFFICE... and with office365 and Google docs... Windows is less important. Microsoft makes games for their xBOX... NOT for their own Windows platform! Perhaps, they'll make games for their xBox Surface-Windows RT-WTF-720 $500 tablet?
You know what I say... screw Microsoft. They helped *KILL* PC gaming and I am not going to HELP MS buy buying their consoles! For my future computing needs... Windows is not in it. I've put Linux on one of my notebooks to get used to working with it. Windows 7 is my final MS-OS. Android, iOS, Linux can pretty much handle everyone's needs... that is a fact.
Yeah... I'm a PC gamer... But the writing is on the wall. AMD/Nvidia *KNOW THIS* They make money selling the $80~120 video cards more so than the $300~500+ hard-core gamers. There are games *I* want to play... that are NOT on PC (Windows/Linux/Mac).
My future wife has brought her PS2 with her, first console to be used on my TV. And you know what, its fun to play with her and my son on the family TV, on the couch... We both are waiting for the PS4, by-passing the PS3. I will still buy an AMD-8000 series card... or a 7850, whatever is a good deal for under $150... and it maybe my last 3D gaming card.
I don't know what the future of gaming will be in 5 years... but *I* know its not PC/Windows8+.
Here are some the very realworld ISSUES that makes having a $600 gaming card... seem silly. (Mind you, I'm a computer gamer - And I still have my Odyssey2 , Vectrex, C=128 and Amiga hardware I grew up with).
1) Most, if not all AAA game titles are out for consoles... many are only FOR consoles.
2) What AAA titles that comes out for PC... are ported from consoles and lately, they have little or no improvement over the consoles which currently do 1920x1080 res... typical PC monitor. This is NOT like the old days of GTA-SF in which the PC version blew away the consoles. UT3 is a good/bad example of a console port to PC.
3) Its business. For those gaming companies... they are going to go what makes them MORE money. The closed design of the console means that the game is 99+% compatible for that console... for at least 5 years. If you sell 100,000 copies for PC, its a blockbuster! Even crap can sell a million+ units for a console.
4) WOW - is a factor that hurts PC games. When you have 10+ million players playing a long-term game, many such players don't have time to play other games.
5) DRM - Is getting worse/better for PC. I don't buy DRMed to death game titles... not even for $5 such as Mirrors Edge, BioShock, etc. I understand and support developers making money (the coders tend to make little money), but SecuROM 7 and others that do limited installs (3~7) do NOT STOP piracy. They only hurt the people who actually BUY the game! Yes, I can get my hands on a pirated Mirrors Edge if I wanted too... I even considered buying the game and going with the cracked copy to avoid the DRM. Screw it. I never played Mirrors Edge. Now, of course with the future XBOX and in modern consoles in general - the DRM is built into the hardware.
I don't have a problem with that because its tied to the games themselves. Not my computer, not my business, not my personal stuff. Now, if these game companies (especially MS) turn into complete assholes and lock the game to the hardware so that YOU CANNOT play your game at a friends place or resell... that is a problem.
There is a market for used games. MS/SONY/etc are not going to make MORE money by locking out the 2nd-hand market or sharing. Thats the point of portability. My son can take his Wii games to a friends home and play there, etc.
6) Costs. yeah yeah, you keep talking about $500 PCs... but that is not what a typical non-techie person can do. I know what my PC can do... and I gather you know yours. But for most... What does a $75 gaming card do vs a $150 model? Most people spend around $100 or less. Hell, I'm still on my ATI-4670 card because it plays the games I have quite well... even thou I have a new i5-3570K with 16GB of RAM, SSD, etc... The ATI/AMD 7000 series is meh, not much different from the 6000 series and the 8000 series may come out for Christmas of 2013. *another issue below*
So... Joe-Blow wants to PC gaming. He goes to BestBuy or Walmart and sees the $500 or so PC and compares that to a $250 console from Sony or MS. Hmmm... wait there's more... a typical $500 PC is crap for gaming... Lets play Joe-Blow
(6-1) Goes to walmart, pics up a $500 bundle: HP Black p2-1343wb Desktop PC Bundle with AMD E2-1800. (Includes a 20" monitor, a $100 value). Note, as *YOU* should know - Intel systems are the fastest for gaming... but costs about $50~100 more than AMD. But the E2-1800 isn't even an A-series class CPU. The AMD- E-Series are like multi-core P3/Atoms, but a lot better. But I had to dig through many levels to find out what this POS Win8 computer has.... does it even have slots? Well... looks like it has NO slots, even thou its in a PC-desktop like case. I went to 4 sites, nothing. Did find out its at least a dual core. Okay... Joe has to return this computer to the store since what he bought is nothing more than a a system with the power of a table in an old-box form-factor.
(6-2) Okay, Joe then buys the HP Pavilion p7-1500z for $570 (maybe at Best Buy) with AMD A8-5500 quad-core (actually dual core) with 8GB RAM. If he buys it from HP... that is the price at least. The "best" gaming card they offer is a 2GB AMD Radeon HD 7570. ($120) = $690 total and won't get it until March 3rd.
(6-3) Now, in case YOU don't know... because JOE doesn't. He paid $120 for an OEM card that is a 2 year old design (Its a re-badged 6570, nothing more). Had he gone to Newegg, the $90 7750 would be about TWICE as fast! I looked at the specs... that $120 OEM 7570 is NO faster than my four year old $90 ATI 4670!! Infact, texture fill rate and bandwith is below my card which was cheaper back then).
(6-4) Okay... Joe is now up to $700~900 for a bottom end gaming rig. On Newegg, that POS HD-7570 card is sold in Dell, HP, Acers computers for gamers!!
(6-5) Joe finds how that games runs like crap on his lower-end PC (that I or you could have built ourselves for less) and after talking to some people online, he finds out he needs a REAL gaming card... something like the HD-7850 card ($170~338 ~ Newegg ~ BestBuy). But since he maybe typical, he buys it from bestbuy (or Walmart) for $240. His total PC gaming hardware is now $940~1150.
(6-6) Now, Joe is at a junction. Does he (A) put in the video card and watch his system fry or fail to powerup or (B) knows he needs a 500watt PSU? Either way, he's got a dead computer or another expense... which means he spends $25 for a POS garbage PSU or $50~90 on a good PSU.
So... with an AVG performance computer with a mid-range video card, Joe has spent $1000~1200 and many many hours putting hardware together... unless he paid GeekSquad $50~100 to do it for him.
(6-7) or... he could have bought the PS3 for $280 (includes Uncharted3 - not available for PC) and be done with it?
For $1000, that could have bought the console (with Blu-ray movie playback) and a 50~55" HD-TV with 60~120hz refresh-rate. You know... playing a FPS on a 46"+ display is more "IN THE GAME" than on your typical 20~22" displays that people use.
7) Windows is quickly becoming irreverent. Win8 shows this... its nothing more than a support system for MS-OFFICE... and with office365 and Google docs... Windows is less important. Microsoft makes games for their xBOX... NOT for their own Windows platform! Perhaps, they'll make games for their xBox Surface-Windows RT-WTF-720 $500 tablet?
You know what I say... screw Microsoft. They helped *KILL* PC gaming and I am not going to HELP MS buy buying their consoles! For my future computing needs... Windows is not in it. I've put Linux on one of my notebooks to get used to working with it. Windows 7 is my final MS-OS. Android, iOS, Linux can pretty much handle everyone's needs... that is a fact.
Yeah... I'm a PC gamer... But the writing is on the wall. AMD/Nvidia *KNOW THIS* They make money selling the $80~120 video cards more so than the $300~500+ hard-core gamers. There are games *I* want to play... that are NOT on PC (Windows/Linux/Mac).
My future wife has brought her PS2 with her, first console to be used on my TV. And you know what, its fun to play with her and my son on the family TV, on the couch... We both are waiting for the PS4, by-passing the PS3. I will still buy an AMD-8000 series card... or a 7850, whatever is a good deal for under $150... and it maybe my last 3D gaming card.
I don't know what the future of gaming will be in 5 years... but *I* know its not PC/Windows8+.
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@ shikamaru31789 : I wasn't ranting at you... sorry. I quoted the wrong person/ but agree with you too. I was responding to PC vs consoles in general. The posts from schwiing & Soldier2013 are silly, but by all means it *IS* their opinion. This is not 2004~2008 anymore.
Most people DO NOT spend $500, 1000 much less $2000 for a gaming rig with the time, effort, complexity of all that stuff. Eventually, those prices will just go up until the PC gaming market ends.
NOW, how things can/will change is *IF/WHEN* the Desktop platform with some-sort of VR-CARD add-on comes out. Then the tech will develop on the desktop until its cheap enough to fit into the console and price market of a Playstation 7 or XBox TURD. When we can have sight/smell/feel being feed into our brains... that will be the next thing.
3~6 monitors... whatever.
Most people DO NOT spend $500, 1000 much less $2000 for a gaming rig with the time, effort, complexity of all that stuff. Eventually, those prices will just go up until the PC gaming market ends.
NOW, how things can/will change is *IF/WHEN* the Desktop platform with some-sort of VR-CARD add-on comes out. Then the tech will develop on the desktop until its cheap enough to fit into the console and price market of a Playstation 7 or XBox TURD. When we can have sight/smell/feel being feed into our brains... that will be the next thing.
3~6 monitors... whatever.
[citation][nom]shikamaru31789[/nom]Agreed. The level of graphics I was seeing in those PS4 demos was equal to what a mid-high end PC can do now. For instance, the Watch Dogs PS4 demo seemed to match the E3 demo which was running on a high end PC. Buy a $500 PC now, and I highly doubt it'll meet the minimum requirements of multi-platform games in 6 years, while the $400 Xbox Infinity and PS4 will still be playing those same games.[/citation]
I think that many PC gamers using something on the level of HD7850 will update their PCs within the new console generation. However, it won't be because it won't be able to run new games, but due to the settings it will be able to run them on. It's quite likely, that to put more graphical effects into console versions of games, the resolution and framerate will be sacrificed. 7800 GTX was capable of running HL2 at 1920x1080 60FPS, but X360 and PS3 didn't limit themselves to that level of graphics, they went for more at 1280x720 30FPS or below.
I think that many PC gamers using something on the level of HD7850 will update their PCs within the new console generation. However, it won't be because it won't be able to run new games, but due to the settings it will be able to run them on. It's quite likely, that to put more graphical effects into console versions of games, the resolution and framerate will be sacrificed. 7800 GTX was capable of running HL2 at 1920x1080 60FPS, but X360 and PS3 didn't limit themselves to that level of graphics, they went for more at 1280x720 30FPS or below.
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[citation][nom]wemakeourfuture[/nom]I doubt you will find a $500 machine that will run games as well as the next console...[/citation]
But at what price ? 720p mid graphic settings and a 30 fps limit ? have you ever considered that ? Gaming industry stagnated for years because the limitations of console hardware ... No wonder COD uses the same engine for years ...
But at what price ? 720p mid graphic settings and a 30 fps limit ? have you ever considered that ? Gaming industry stagnated for years because the limitations of console hardware ... No wonder COD uses the same engine for years ...
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Nothing will save Windows 8. Microsoft has been train wreck lately, incredible what a bad decision can do.
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[citation][nom]lradunovic77[/nom]Nothing will save Windows 8. Microsoft has been train wreck lately, incredible what a bad decision can do.[/citation]
I doubt that, seeing as the majority of people that buy computers are plebians that don't know one end of a keyboard from a hole in the ground, the majority will keep MS afloat
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Plus the minority that moan about Windows 8 will never jump ship to Chrome/Mac/Linux and will just stay with Windows 7, then upgrade when a decent service pack or Windows 9 comes out
I doubt that, seeing as the majority of people that buy computers are plebians that don't know one end of a keyboard from a hole in the ground, the majority will keep MS afloat
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Plus the minority that moan about Windows 8 will never jump ship to Chrome/Mac/Linux and will just stay with Windows 7, then upgrade when a decent service pack or Windows 9 comes out
Nothing to do with hardware, everything to do with software, OS, and business model for me.
- Microsoft points. Get rid of them. Canada still cant buy in blocks of 1200 (the typical XBLA game price)
- Gold isn't worth it, and honestly, it's never been worth it.
- Gold costs the same in canada, but half the services MS is always plugging arent available here.
- Microsoft points. Get rid of them. Canada still cant buy in blocks of 1200 (the typical XBLA game price)
- Gold isn't worth it, and honestly, it's never been worth it.
- Gold costs the same in canada, but half the services MS is always plugging arent available here.
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[citation][nom]downhill911[/nom]I pray that Xbox infinity will be on par with PS4 or better, then all those new games are going to look epic and PC ones even better.So far, I am really impressed with killzone, although it was only 720p but you could see textures where much better.Really hope Microsoft will try to out-performance PS4, but I somehow doubt that.[/citation]
You're right. There's no much marginal benefit from eclipsing your competitor's graphical capabilities by a wide margin because of the cost of doing so. They both strive to hit certain price points and that'd be impossible to do if they went too far beyond the capabilities of your next competitor. Especially if there are other more cost efficient ways to generate value. E.g. Better online experience etc. Remember, Sony had a year to put out a box that would outperform the 360 but only made one that others claimed to only be marginally more powerful than the 360.
You're right. There's no much marginal benefit from eclipsing your competitor's graphical capabilities by a wide margin because of the cost of doing so. They both strive to hit certain price points and that'd be impossible to do if they went too far beyond the capabilities of your next competitor. Especially if there are other more cost efficient ways to generate value. E.g. Better online experience etc. Remember, Sony had a year to put out a box that would outperform the 360 but only made one that others claimed to only be marginally more powerful than the 360.
Microsoft shouldn't have put out Windows 8 so soon. Only three years after Windows 8 was released and they decided to put out a new OS and get rid of support for their old OS? What kind of BS is that? I don't have any faith left in Microsoft so I don't think I'll get their console. I'm not even getting the PS4 for at least a year after it comes out.
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