RuneScape Exposed Part 2

[charlesk]

So charlesk You lack computer skills. You dont understand how the internet works. That is a FACT.

:lol:

This is pretty funny stuff, Atol. I realize English is probably not your primary language, but you should still be able to understand that ignorant insults directed towards me are not "facts".

If you think I don't understand how the Internet works, do this. Go to Amazon.com, and in the search box type in "TCP/IP", and check out what comes up #1 in the search results.

Then try to extract your virtual foot from your virtual mouth. 😉

Funny I check on jagex when you make a new account you see as a suggestion mixture of numbers and letters in your password to make it harder for someone to guess.

Big deal. The password checker is rudimentary and provides no details on how to make good passwords.

As a test, I just created a throwaway account called "Mary9089462" or some other string of digits, I forget what exactly. For the password I put "marymary", which is about as bad a password for that account as I can imagine. The system took it without so much as a comment.

I would love you to point out a way for autoer can stop?

Jagex has been given tons of solutions. I'm not spending an hour outlining my ideas for this here just for your benefit, sorry. They don't involve any of your silly ideas, however.

Here why they dont want you posting it on the forum.

I been scammed by charlesk. People will look at him as a scammer. What if a clan wanted to make a guy look bad and get him ban. So a whole group of people seid it like.

Banning the mention of names is not the same as banning discussion of the activities. For example, the Tip.it forums let people discuss scams and how to avoid them, but still prohibit mentioning names.

Jagex does it because they think it stops scammers, but it doesn't. The hidden reason is that they don't want to look bad by having people realize just how widespread scamming is in their game.

1 Do you want to be on the side where a group hates you and use the forums to flame your name and be ban or look like a fool?

*looks back at this thread and the last one*

Yeah, I have no idea what it feels like to have people on forums flaming me. 😉

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[charlesk]

After entering my last response I went over to the Runescape forums. First thread I open I find this:

OK in the Mage arena there is a lvl 3 buying all the runes in every world.

****THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 7 CONSEQUITVE DAYS***

I HAVE REPORTED THEM ALL - WHAT HAS THIS DONE - NOTHING!!!!

Please, serveral people have noticed this, and complained, and Jagex response to everyone is Report them.

ITS BEEN 7 DAYS!!!! I'm sure loads of people has reported. Please go to these world. FIX THE PROBLEM. FIX. Not just say report - WE ALL DO.

If Jagex doesnt do something soon, they're going to be there all the time.

7 DAYS RUNNING - SORT IT OUT - DONT JUST SAY REPORT - WE ALL DO!!

Guy's been reporting bots in the mage arena bank for a week. Even with reports, nothing gets done. I've seen this myself -- reported people day after day and it gets ignored.

I guess they can't do any better than that, hmm? Meh.

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[Kizar]

I see no point in going over the same ground too many times so a final post then I will say no more on this topic.

I can believe that there are many things wrong with Runescape and do not dispute charlesk's facts.

Having said this I will come back to a cople of points I amde at the beginning:

1. My children's experience of RS has been positive, I do not share charlesk's conclusions.

2. charlesk has repeatedly failed to address the issue of WHY he is so anti RS. The whole 'its aimed at kids so it has to be perfect' argument seems failr weak. I have never come across a computer game yet that is not full of bugs - and on line games that have a number of unpleasant p[eople cheating or scamming others - just like real life.

3. The language of the article (and guide)is highly emotive and better suited to a political diatribe or a fundamentalist religious tract than a reasoned argument on a technical site.

I do not like to be told the TRUTH or be given my opinions. I am happy to read a well laidf out argument and may alter my views based on this. All I feel after all this is that there is some other motive behind this whole issue than a concern to help others (this may be unfair, perhaps there is not) but that is what I feel based on the article and the discussions.

 

[charlesk]

Kizar,

You said you don't want to go over the same ground, and then you just repeat the same accusations directed at me that you posted days ago.

I have no ulterior motives here, and I have explained in very great detail my problems with RS and why I wrote the articles. I don't appreciate your completely baseless insinuations.

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[Kizar]

You attack something that many people like, put forward your opinions as truth and only answer the questions you wish to, yet when challenged you do not appreciate it - fair enough - but do not expect your views to then be taken seriously.

 

[charlesk]

Kizar, I have answered dozens of questions from many people, even when they were being exceedingly rude to me, something I was never under any obligation to do. And I've never presented my "opinions as truth".

In contrast, all you have to offer are personal attacks on my motivations which you have repeated several times without an ounce of justification. You've provided nothing in the way of substantive criticism of anything I've said -- just innuendo.

I'm sure the readers can figure out which of us should be taken more seriously.

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[Atolsammeek]

But I would love you to explain how to stop Autoer or Scammers. I would love what you think of.

Then everyone can point out every fault in your post.

your post

Jagex has been given tons of solutions. I'm not spending an hour outlining my ideas for this here just for your benefit, sorry. They don't involve any of your silly ideas, however.

I think Everyone Here want to hear your So Called Solutions. I think everyone here will want to hear them.

Your going ya they should be stop Hacking autoing and scamming But you dont say how. It like trying to say how do we stop Gangs or people killing other people. It will happen and it will keep happing. There will never be a 100% fix it.

It looks like kizar seeing the same thing. The quote below.

From Kizar

You attack something that many people like, put forward your opinions as truth and only answer the questions you wish to, yet when challenged you do not appreciate it - fair enough - but do not expect your views to then be taken seriously.

Kizar has a Great Point here.

Let show you something from truthscape.

http://www.boson.com/Product/ECC-TR-31250-01.html?EID=239b5d9b-46cd-4c08-b6fd-0a292b5b28f9

Let me point out a few things.

Certified Ethical Hacker is a five-day course that immerses students into an interactive environment where they are shown how to scan, test, hack, and secure their own systems

Module 11: Hacking Web Servers
Module 15: Hacking Wireless Networks
Module 17: Hacking Novell
Module 18: Hacking Linux

So basicly you say you dont endore hacking yet you supply websites that teach hacking. It has good point and bad. Great job.

 

[Wildy]

AtolSammeek - Someone stated earlier that your reasons for posting were merely to get your post count up and i have to strongly agree.

You are now at the point of posting mindless drivel that in no real way relates to the articles.

I will no longer be posting here as the bulk of replies are from you - AtolSammeek and i can get more thought provoking discussion from my 4 year old.

With that said, I wish the author the best and appreciate his attempts at making Runescape a better place.

 

[Atolsammeek]

Wow wildy you only done 16 posts. Goodbye. The more people who dont see this tread. The better runescape is.

Last post I seen on runescape about autoers . I seen why it was ban due to the fact people was useing the info to show them it can be done. Ya right showing it will premote it. Make more people want to do it and gain More money. So they ask around and research. Ya so cool. NOT!!!

So the question is. Have jagex ban the messages to show there autoing on runescape and people research it? Or do they keep it ban to show it not aloud?

I rather have a mod show it not aloud then have a guy going seen a Autoer

a mod on the site

Please don't rant about other players using illegal software in RuneScape, the only way to help stop this problem is to report the player to Jagex. To send an abuse report to Jagex, please use the 'Report Abuse' link that is located at the bottom right of the RuneScape game window.

Please read the Forum Code of Conduct, and the Forum Specific Rules, before you continue to use the forums.

If you suspect 1 then use ingame report abuse under Rule7. Jagex will take care of it.

For the last 5 years I been posting hack sites and programs to runescape to help them. That is what people should do.

I agree with the MOD.

 

[oSDarkness]

Wow wildy you only done 16 posts

Thank you for proving my point. Laughing at someone for their post count.

You are extremely off topic Atol, you can continue to post this off topic crap. Good bye.

 

[npg]

Thank you Charles for the informative and well written expose on Jagex's Runescape. I have played the game myself for 2.5 years and I must agree with your points.

Jagex does make an effort to promote gameplay to younger audiences and needs to be more diligent in how they represent themselves. Simply because they are not "the worst" at protecting players does not mean that they can not be the best.

There are many positive aspects to the game that make it worth staying on Jagex's case to protect the integrity and honesty of the emergent gameplay.

Yes, it is just a game to the majority of players but it is also an environment where cyber-bullying and various forms of scamming are easily performed.

I was very pleased to see Jagex reverse it's decision on luring and
announce the clarification of Rule 2 on the front page and forum pages.
Jagex can do more- and really must do more- to protect the growing younger membership and promote a healthy gaming environment.

More information has been added to the Parent's section and that is also a good start. I do not expect Jagex themselves to list all the problems in their game but it is appreciated to that you have collected many of them here and at your site.

Although it is game to most , it is a business to others - as seen in the ads on this very forum. Some 'people' will do and say whatever is necessary to make a quick real life profit from you regardless of your age and experience. Jagex is reluctant to discuss the darker side of the game but it is necessary information to have access to.

 

[Atolsammeek]

I look at the 6 year old who live behind us. He been playing war games he to young to know the games name. Alot of times the parents dont care. Like I seid on some of the post parents use the computer as a babysitter.

I think why alot of people are attacking charlesk for this forum is going to put more risk to runescape and Help people to scam or hack people. I think that why runescape block scams hacks and auters on the forum.

If someone read a forum and find out how to Scam Like this one. Hay your dying come in to my house and you can die there and be restored. Then wait Untel he 4hp before death and kick them out. he dies out side the house and the noob who scammed him get it all.

I seen this in runescape and I pointed it out to the guy posting how it was done was not the best idea. It just give other Noobs how to do it.

Telling people is not the best idea. I think charlesk has the wrong idea. Giving runescape how to fix it in custermer support is the answer so no one can do it again.

You can cry and pout on this but it the best way.

For scammers best to report and move on. Then learn from your mistakes. Going I lost 5 Million not going to help. But if you say Ya I was scammed But I will be careful next time. 5 Million is like 500k to me for it so easy to make get back it just take hard work.

Learn from your mistakes.

 

[oSDarkness]

Telling people is not the best idea. I think charlesk has the wrong idea. Giving runescape how to fix it in custermer support is the answer so no one can do it again.

Yeah, considering customer support is so overwhelmed by people asking for free stuff. ^.^

You know, have you ever seen a "Wanted Sign"? Do people go out and become pedofiles because they see a sign that a child predator is on the loose? No, they look for it, and telling people in the Runescape community about certain scams will work. Because of all the people who kiss up to Jagex and go to any means to report someone.

 

[Atolsammeek]

luck has it we have magans law. I already lost a friend to a pedofiles who killed her and he free due to the fact he was a under age. 17 year old. He was 25 when he was let out

 

[buddt43]

can u get this to work please, since you so good at computer.


http://www.artmoney.ru/e_download.htm

 

[Arkhanaut]

Well, I've held off from any comments on this one since I've said all my bits in the last discussion of part 1.

Just a couple of points to make with regards to the summary points in part 2 of the article:

There is no warning that the game is unsuitable for children under the age of 13; instead, there are three references to the game being for "all ages."

In the Knowledge Base, under "Who is Runescape targeted at?"

RuneScape is set in a traditional fantasy setting with the usual combat and conflict, so we only recommend the game for players aged 13+ (i.e. if you wouldn't want your kids to watch "Lord of the Rings", you probably wouldn't want them to play RuneScape).

Next:

The mention of staff moderators implies active supervision in the game by Jagex employees, which is in fact close to non-existent.

140 world servers.
250 staff (of which, let's say half are dedicated Customer Support and thus are on the phones / email replying etc most of the day to all these complaints that Jagex must be receiving and hence can hardly expect to keep their jobs if they spend all their time wandering around in-game.

So 120 odd people who are trying to improve the game, but at the same time are expected to show their presence in-game as much as possible.

So with a 9-5 type job, that means they will be on a server sometime in that timeslot. As an adult, you're most likely to be working in the day unless you have alternate hours of course, so you won't see a Jagex Moderator at all.

Even if you played in the daytime, the chances of you happening to be on the right server AND the right part of what is a huge world is slim to say the least 🙂

The game is portrayed as being "educational" but doesn't cover all the negative things that kids learn, as described in Part 1 of this article.

I agree that it doesn't perhaps cover every negative aspect that might possibly arise when dealing with millions of other people, but I think in fairness if it was somehow able to do that, it would make the guide become more of an epic handbook to life in general - and would probably take you half a year to read to boot! ;-)

There is no specific information on how new players can avoid popular scams

There's still a huge section in the Player Safety part of the PG. It's about half way down. Again, it can't really list every possible scam that people can come up with. And obviously it can't predict new scams before they are used. 🙂
There is also a link on that page that will take you to a full detailed part of the Knowledge Base on player safety.



I think that's my bits presented in a reasonable manner. 🙂

 

[guruofchem]

Several things are readily apparent from this thread:

1) Charles has spent a large amount of time trying to raise public awareness of certain issues pertaining to RuneScape which he feels are both correctible and harmful to children, and which seem to be unaddressed by Jagex.

2) A lot of folks seem to feel that his points are an attempt to destroy the game, which has provoked a large number of angry denial posts, and not a few baseless personal attacks. Those attacks only serve to reinforce his basic argument that the RuneScape community has gone substantially downhill. I would point out to those who have flamed or insulted him that he has spent 2 YEARS playing the game, and would not have done so had he wanted to destroy it.

3) Charles is insanely patient and committed to getting his message out, and his background (which I have researched) suggests that he is a credible and knowledgable individual.

Not so long ago, more preschoolers in the US recognized Joe Camel than recognized Mickey Mouse, and one would have to be a fool to argue that Jagex is not actively marketing this game to children younger than its own stated age requirement. Joe Camel was removed from cigarette ads, and Jagex should in a similar fashion cease targeting kids too young for its community, and make sure that its information for parents is accurate. The game is, I believe, not rated by the ESRB here in the US, and rather than abusing that fact, Jagex needs to step up and address the communication problems that Charles and others have highlighted.

 

[guruofchem]

Several things are readily apparent from this thread:

1) Charles has spent a large amount of time trying to raise public awareness of certain issues pertaining to RuneScape which he feels are both correctible and harmful to children, and which seem to be unaddressed by Jagex.

2) A lot of folks seem to feel that his points are an attempt to destroy the game, which has provoked a large number of angry denial posts, and not a few baseless personal attacks. Those attacks only serve to reinforce his basic argument that the RuneScape community has gone substantially downhill. I would point out to those who have flamed or insulted him that he has spent 2 YEARS playing the game, and would not have done so had he wanted to destroy it.

3) Charles is insanely patient and committed to getting his message out, and his background (which I have researched) suggests that he is a credible and knowledgable individual.

Not so long ago, more preschoolers in the US recognized Joe Camel than recognized Mickey Mouse, and one would have to be a fool to argue that Jagex is not actively marketing this game to children younger than its own stated age requirement. Joe Camel was removed from cigarette ads, and Jagex should in a similar fashion cease targeting kids too young for its community, and make sure that its information for parents is accurate. The game is, I believe, not rated by the ESRB here in the US, and rather than abusing that fact, Jagex needs to step up and address the communication problems that Charles and others have highlighted.

 

[C0nfus1ng]

Oh where to begin............
Firstly, if there is going to be such a lengthy discussion of how horrible Rune Scape is, I would like to see all other MMORPG's investigated and written about.
Now onto the good stuff. While I agree on some minimal points, such as the report concept and customer service, I completely disagree with many more things. As for scamming, I hate scammers, however if they pull it off, then learn from your mistake and don't make it twice.I also enjoyed the fact that in Part 1 there was a mention of low life's that buy Rune Scape gold for real money, yet there was a link in the middle of the site in Part 2 offering fast delivered RS gold pieces, maybe we should tell Jagex to take this site off of the web, that would make a large amount of people happy.
Next I will mention girlfriends and boyfriends and the "harassment" that female players go through. Relationships happen, I laugh at those who attempt to have a serious relationship over this computer game, but it happens. If the boyfriend deems it necessary to buy the girlfriend millions of gold pieces worth of items, it's their choice. Ignore them! They are pixels. Anyone who is commenting on how well your pixels are placed, should be ignored A.S.A.P. There is an ignore button for a reason, please use it.
The topic of the Wild. A huge part of the game that people say should be avoided. No. It was mentioned about 20 on 1 fights in the wild, we in the game like to call them "Clans." Don't like getting killed in the wild, join one.
As for ages, this game is aimed toward teens, and this game does allow younger players to play, but it's a game that can be played by anyone. As a new player, stick to non combat skills, those are simple, easy to train, can't really get killed. And if you are a parent and over protective about the game, bug your kid enough and he/she will probably quit to get you to leave them alone. For those of you over 25, do you have no life for you to be playing a computer game aimed at these teens.
All those violent words that the "Chat Filter" doesn't block is horrible for all of the players of Rune Scape. Wrong, the chat filter is over blocking words. In some cases it blocks words that contain a bad word inside of it (example: Ridiculous, contains a slang word for a male genital part, therefore, blocked.) After many updates by Jagex, even using numbers or multiple characters to make it look like a certain letter have been blocked (example: parenthesis used to make an O... ()... to make bad words of different caliber are also blocked.)
Part 1 talks about paying 500 million Gp for a party hat, and how players turn to merchanting to make money. Is merchanting all that bad? If I find a deal at a store where I can buy something cheap, and sell it somewhere else for a profit, I'm likely to do so and smile about the extra change I made. It talks about the hours put into the game to buy a single hat. However, having this hat is like having your name on the front page of a paper, for many days, you can boast to every player about the hat, and they all respect the amount of time or energy put into getting that hat.
As of now, I am out of things to write about, but I'll be happy to fight with those who bring up points worth fighting about.

 

[oSDarkness]

The author was 14 when he wrote the original TCP\IP book? Scroll down the amazon book list, and go to the older book.

 

[Atolsammeek]

Hay Arkhanaut you bring up a good point I would like to add to it.

140 world servers.
250 staff (of which, let's say half are dedicated Customer Support and thus are on the phones / email replying etc most of the day to all these complaints that Jagex must be receiving and hence can hardly expect to keep their jobs if they spend all their time wandering around in-game.

So 120 odd people who are trying to improve the game, but at the same time are expected to show their presence in-game as much as possible.

So with a 9-5 type job, that means they will be on a server sometime in that timeslot. As an adult, you're most likely to be working in the day unless you have alternate hours of course, so you won't see a Jagex Moderator at all.

Even if you played in the daytime, the chances of you happening to be on the right server AND the right part of what is a huge world is slim to say the least

I live in a area where people are in movies. What do they have to deal with? Let take Anna Nicole Smith. She dead but her baby and the family has to deal with flashing lights from camras. People trying to get pictures.

We can say the same Thing with the Highest level Player on Runescape. I see this person and I feel sorry for Him. Not due to his level but what he has to deal with. In Any world he is in. That world becomes 2k people in a few mins. Why people want to get a picture of person standing next to him. He can't Hide his rank or Name. If he going out into the wilderness everyone follows. What do they do? Print Screen, youtube, Tell there friends or claim he part of there clans.

What about the Player Mods. I have a few who are friends of mine and I ask this question what is the pros and cons of being a Mod. All of them say the same thing. A friend of theres PM them due to a stupid fight. Or people expect the Players Mods to explain everything in the game. Like Where is this where is that. How much is this or that.

The only way they can play with no problems is not talk or have chat on.

Here a question. If Andrew or any gold crown mod. Log on runescape would they able to play due to the fact they built the game from the ground up with a team of 250 other people?

I would think they would be ask 1000 questions at once. Like what the next update? When will you have Other pets? Will you have White dragons?

I bet there playing but as Normal people.

 

[Arkhanaut]

The author was 14 when he wrote the original TCP\IP book? Scroll down the amazon book list, and go to the older book.

If that's true (I didn't see a link, but found the book), then that's awesome in my opinion!

Kudos for doing something impressive! 😛

 

[rtfm]

Wow. Some people need to go outside a bit more.

Seriously, if you dont want your kids playing then just uninstall it. There are far worse things for kids to do on the internet than get robbed or cheated in a game.

Please, get some fresh air - JUST A GAME

 

[kidsmom]

The biggest problem runescape has is with people soliciting cybersex on their game. Just create a female characcter and go stand in Lumbridge which is where everybody hangs out on the free worlds when it is busy. I stopped letting my daughter play this game after she had more than one of those whispers directed to her that was dirty. This is not a game for kids, even tho the company that makes it wants you to think it is.

 

[tzrmtd]

Hay I'm 11 and I've been playing runescape for three years and have only been hacked once because I gave out my password and all of you parents are NOOBS because runescape is EDUCATIONAL and teaches you suplly and demand and Jagex Limited does there best on runescape. The reason that you don't see JMods with the gold crowns is because they always go in the members world I'd know I'm a current member. Sure some of the stuff in the article was true but not all of it was I.E. when you go to send a complaint you have3 about 17 cm of space to type. You guys and girls go on the fine details and don't look at the BIG PICTURE. I have never forgot homework or been late since I started playing runescape and am NOT gonna quit.