News Sales of Desktop Graphics Cards Hit 20-Year Low

[laurafinn]

The pc gaming market will crash. These gpu prices still insane,The Sony and Microsoft with consoles will remain the only option.

wow, thanks for the info.

 

[nocteratus]

The GPU companies are killing themselves... With a MSRP of $1200 for a GPU and street price of $2500... I think there's a problem somewhere and someone is making a lot of money...
People like me are waiting a few generation to buy a old GPU that is capable of playing older games at max and current games at minimum.
Today is to buy an old GTX 1680 at very low price and in a few years to buy a RTX 3080 for maybe $250-300 ...
The secret is to keep the resolution low, ex: 1080P and not going for 4K

 

[nocteratus]

The pc gaming market will crash. These gpu prices still insane,The Sony and Microsoft with consoles will remain the only option.

With the shortage in console parts, soon only crayons, papers and dices will be the only gaming option.

It will be a cold day in @#$@# when I pay $1000 for a top tier card.

$750-$800 is the most I could stomach. And if I have to wait more than a year to get that price, I'll just wait some more to replace my 5700XT.

I remembered buying my 9800 GX2 less than $300 on sale a while back and it was the fastest GPU at that time. Today the fastest GPU cost only $3000...

 

[InvalidError]

I remembered buying my 9800 GX2 less than $300 on special a while back and it was the fastest GPU at that time. Today the fastest GPU cost only $3000...

10 years ago, I bought a Radeon HD5700 for $160. Pretty crazy where prices have gone for namesake tiers.

 

[nocteratus]

10 years ago, I bought a Radeon HD5700 for $160. Pretty crazy where prices have gone for namesake tiers.

Yep, 10 years ago...
So Nvidia and AMD are thinking it was 10 years ago that a top tier GPU cost $300 so 10 Years X $300 = $3000.
GPU price increased ten fold in 10 years... Houston WE have a problem...

 

[Ogotai]

The Sony and Microsoft with consoles will remain the only option.

not if there are only 2-3 games on each console that a person wants to play. right now, for my to by a playstation or xbox, would be a waste of money, not enough games on those systems that I want to play. but yet, i have quite a few games on my comp that i play, as well as could play, guess where my money would go ? gotta love the " pc gameing is too expensive/dieing " so get a console view 🙂 while that thought may work for some, it wont work for others

 

[BTM18]

I have 3 failed geforces. At that failure rate, I will not spend mountains of money in a thing that may break with such a high probability.

Also, new games do not compel to invest in GPU. Quality gaming has dropped enormously.

But prices will not go down significantly. I already predicted this, because the government printing money unavoidably causes inflation. People here rejected it, but is elementary economics.

The war in ukraine is rising public spending so much, that unavoidably, more money will be printed. Prices will keep going up.

3 failed GPU's. That is all your fault. Or your PSU.
In 20 years all the cards i ever bought from Nvidia still work.

 

[nocteratus]

not if there are only 2-3 games on each console that a person wants to play. right now, for my to by a playstation or xbox, would be a waste of money, not enough games on those systems that I want to play. but yet, i have quite a few games on my comp that i play, as well as could play, guess where my money would go ? gotta love the " pc gaming is too expensive/dieing " so get a console view while that thought may work for some, it wont work for others

Steam, Epic games, Origin, etc... offering some free games for PC all year long and some goodies during the holidays... PC gaming is still better than console.
Even those free games requires older GPU like GTX 950 or better for the minimum and GTX 1060 recommended ...

 

[LordVile]

Well it's not hard to figure the reasons

• even a relatively old GPU can play games acceptably for most people (30-60FPS)
• miners are selling their rigs
• new cards are extremelly expensive. Few years ago 300-500$ was flagship tier. now for this price you get low-middle range.
• consoles are more popular for gaming than PC. PC Gaming was on a rising 10 years ago thanks to the MMO trend. not so anymore

The new cards are good mostly for VR, 4K gaming and Ray Tracing , but those technologies are not used by a majority of gamers which find former generations sufficient (1660ti is still very popular because it just works)

Gamer Nexus made a good video on the subject of the 4080, but some reasons still applies to the whole generation

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCJYDJXDRHw

When was 300-500 ever flagship tier? The 1080 was like 650+

 

[Tac 25]

Nowadays, even two generations old and modest GPUs are capable of running virtually all modern games at 1080p and at decent quality settings.
Back in the day you needed the latest and greatest GPU in order to achieve playable frame rates in the latest games - anyone remembers 3dfx voodoo add-on cards?

Than there's the fact that 4 year old GPU's are still reasonably powerful to game on at 1080p and consistently show as most widely represented SKU's in steam charts.

imo those are mostly true. My 27 inch monitor is 1080p.. and the humble 1650 here in the house can play all PS4 and PS5 games I own just fine. The most demanding PS5 game here is King of Fighters XV (released 2022, so it's fairly new). It's minimum requirements is a GTX 480 - so it's easy for the 1650 to run the game. But I still purchased an RTX 3050 for the purpose of Ray tracing, because King of Fighters XV has a ray trace option which the 1650 cannot do.

only thing the 1650 cannot do is ray trace

Spoiler

uploaded a sample gameplay video on youtube. King of Fighters XV is at 9:58.
this video is using the weakest pc in the house. Q9500 + GTX 1650.

Spoiler

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X101Nn-y8aQ

 

[samopa]

yeah that's right

But still not enough to drive the price down ... 🤔

 

[chaospower]

When was 300-500 ever flagship tier? The 1080 was like 650+

Long long ago, in a far away land, the 9800 gtx was launched for $330. 2 and a half years later a gtx 580 was launched for $500 and was three times more powerful. The 780ti was released 3 years later and was twice as powerful as the gtx 580. The 1080ti released 3 years and a half later for the same price and was again twice as powerful. The 3080 was released 3 and a half years later for the same price (it was never actually sold for that as prices skyrocketed) and is not even twice as powerful as the 1080ti. These numbers are taken from Techpowerup.

You see the trend here? Top tier GPU prices keep increasing and we get minimal performance boosts for upgrading as the years go by. I say we let em bleed.

 

[LordVile]

Long long ago, in a far away land, the 9800 gtx was launched for $330. 2 and a half years later a gtx 580 was launched for $500 and was three times more powerful. The 780ti was released 3 years later and was twice as powerful as the gtx 580. The 1080ti released 3 years and a half later for the same price and was again twice as powerful. The 3080 was released 3 and a half years later for the same price (it was never actually sold for that as prices skyrocketed) and is not even twice as powerful as the 1080ti. These numbers are taken from Techpowerup.

You see the trend here? Top tier GPU prices keep increasing and we get minimal performance boosts for upgrading as the years go by. I say we let em bleed.

You can’t expect cards to keep making huge bounds in performance, even now the wattage of cards is skyrocketing to get more performance. Ontop of that inflation is a thing and people forget that the GTX 580 has like 1.5GB of VRAM. The 1080 that’s only
What 3 gens newer has 5x the VRAM that’s also
binned, the 3080 has 2x the VRAM of that.

 

[Loadedaxe]

Everyone that needed one over the last 2 years had to sell one of their kidneys to buy any type of gpu. The AIBs, AMD and Nvidia capitalized on this and made bank. And they will continue as long as people keep paying more for them than "normal"

Selling more for less is not something they are interested in at the moment, they havent shipped that many gpus this round so that it looks, on paper, like everyone is buying them up.

Marketing has all to do with that. People are still paying off their gpus from 2020-2022, not many are going to spring another $1500+ on a video card, only to sell their old one for a huge loss on the used market. At least not anyone that is money conscience.

 

[Georgian Guardian]

Just bought a very clean Asus GeForce RTX 2080 for $200. Is this a good deal. I figured it performed almost like a 3060Ti FE and half the price. So I am returning that 3060 Ti!

 

[InvalidError]

Selling more for less is not something they are interested in at the moment, they havent shipped that many gpus this round so that it looks, on paper, like everyone is buying them up.

They will care about shipping more GPUs for less if/when their over-inflated prices cause sales to drop enough that their net profit goes down. Shareholders don't like regressing net income since it either means they got too greedy or their cash cow is dying.

 

[russell_john]

As Intel enters market of discrete GPUs, Nvidia strengthens its positions, but AMD weakens.

Sales of Desktop Graphics Cards Hit 20-Year Low : Read more

It's just Common Sense that when graphics cards cost twice as much people will buy them half as often ......

 

[russell_john]

I am surprised about the low sales from AMD. Just this past month I managed to buy 2 AMD radeon cards for me and my son for a good price. Then again, the sales figures doesn't account for Q4-2022

The reason you got a good price was because they were discounted because of low sales numbers and AMD's attempt to get rid of older stock before the next generation came out. Nvidia is essentially doing the same by pricing the 4080 so high so they can get rid of their 3080 and 3090 overstocks. However Nvidia has a big advantage over AMD in that they can afford to lose some sales because of their almost 9 times greater market share while AMD's share has essentially been cut in half and they can't afford to lose anymore. Plus Nvidia has a very profitable line of professional GPUs for Cloud Servers, Supercomputers and Ai design to fall back on. AMD's professional lines are mostly for their CPUs. Nvidia cut another big deal with Microsoft for their Azure Cloud Servers and I think they want to prioritize that for TSMC to manufacture because the Margins are considerably larger than the Margins from consumer grade devices. For every one pro unit they sell they probably have to sell 6-8 consumer devices to make the same profits

 

[umeng2002_2]

CPUs, mobos, ram, and SSDs have hardly increased pricing. Meanwhile nVidia has effectively doubled their pricing from the already bad valued Turing cards. Something is wrong with nVidia.

 

[InvalidError]

CPUs, mobos, ram, and SSDs have hardly increased pricing.

I disagree with the first two: at the lower end, decent CPUs and motherboards have gone up ~50%. There used to be quite good motherboards around $100, now there is hardly anything worth buying under$150. Intel's i5 2400-11400 used to be ~$180, now the 13400 is almost $250.

Perhaps not quite as dramatic as the doubling in GPU prices for equivalent branding tier but still quite substantial.

 

[drivinfast247]

I wonder if tech companies stopped spending millions/billions on R&D and advanced technologies to make hi-tech devices would people start crying about no new advancements?

 

[chalabam]

CPUs, mobos, ram, and SSDs have hardly increased pricing.

That's because top CPUs had been removed from consumer markets. Top CPU's had actually skyrocketed in price. Only Enterprise customers can buy these CPU and the motherboards capable of running them.

 

[kjfatl]

I build up a new PC last several months ago and skipped the graphics card. I don't do gaming. I'll get a graphics card at some point, but don't want it to heat my office all summer long. The integrated graphics coming from Intel are quite good for web browsing and office applications.

 

[bit_user]

These gpu prices still insane,The Sony and Microsoft with consoles will remain the only option.

In the USA, Amazon still has PS5 consoles on a waiting list and Newegg only sells them in combo bundles. So, supply is still constrained to the point where not everyone can get one (without paying scalper prices, at least).

But, I'd be surprised if that remained true into the next year. Whereas, if we assume AMD and Nvidia don't have a lot of padding in their current GPU pricing, then we shouldn't expect to see the flagship cards get much cheaper. So, you may still have a point.

not if there are only 2-3 games on each console that a person wants to play. ... but yet, i have quite a few games on my comp that i play, as well as could play, guess where my money would go ?

It'd be crazy if Sony ported WINE to PS5. Then, you could theoretically play most of your Windows games on it. I think they never would, but they probably could!

For Microsoft, even less stands in the way of unlocking Windows gaming on XBox.

 

[InvalidError]

I wonder if tech companies stopped spending millions/billions on R&D and advanced technologies to make hi-tech devices would people start crying about no new advancements?

A growing chunk of the customer base is already complaining about little to no advancement in performance per dollar due to exorbitant price hikes. New advances may as well just not exist when they are priced beyond a significant chunk of would-be customers' budgets.

BTW, even at a N4 wafer cost of $20 000, the GPU die is still only ~$100 of an RTX4080 out of a $250-300 total build cost, nowhere near enough to justify a $1200 price tag if retail prices had any grounding in manufacturing costs. The high-end GPU prices are primarily padded by greed.

The only industries capable of achieving 60+% gross margins are monopolies.