News Sales of Desktop Graphics Cards Hit 20-Year Low

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AMD and Nvidia are selling unfinished and defective products way over price...
paying over $1000 for a defective product that may impact on the entire computer.
Nvidia has a problem with the power adapter of their RTX 40 series... 12VHPWR
AMD has a overheating problem with their RDNA3 and they denied it. over 110°C and it's considered normal, the GPU is throttling due to overheating.

They both sell unfinished GPU card, think we are cash cow and gynae pigs ...

 

[nocteratus]

Performance per dollar has been around for pretty much as long as graphics accelerators and CPUs have been around and the "value per dollar" proposition has practically always been present in the "should you buy" discussion - no point in bothering with upgrading when the extra performance is almost linear with increased pricing over previous parts and you already bought a GPU near your budget comfort limit.

In the old days, they were difficult to find, now today we have internet to thank for...

 

[PEnns]

Hmm, I wonder what could be the answer to this riddle?

The obscene cost maybe?? Nah, that's too obvious.

 

[knightsljx]

Let's get one thing straight. Demand is not low. Prices are too high.

 

[bit_user]

Heh, so much discussion about launch pricing of RTX 40x0 and RX 7900 GPUs in this thread, but we shouldn't forget:

"shipments of discrete graphics cards hit a ~20-year low in Q3 2022"​

So, as the article pointed out, a lot of people in the market were either waiting for the next gen cards to launch because they wanted to buy one, or because they wanted to take advantage of even lower pricing on existing GPUs. For most of that quarter, we didn't even know what Nvidia's launch pricing would be!

 

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So, as the article pointed out, a lot of people in the market were either waiting for the next gen cards to launch because they wanted to buy one, or because they wanted to take advantage of even lower pricing on existing GPUs. For most of that quarter, we didn't even know what Nvidia's launch pricing would be!

Buying last-gen would still count as new sales though and I doubt people holding their purchase decision for either of those reasons would be enough to cause a 20-years low. Outrageous pricing in a time of economic uncertainty is a far more likely reason.

 

[bit_user]

I doubt people holding their purchase decision for either of those reasons would be enough to cause a 20-years low.

No, not on its own. But, we all know crypto was crashing, Ethereum was about to go PoS, and the economy in many parts of the world is faltering. So, it was a "perfect storm".

Also, I'm sure demand dips shortly before the launch of any new GPU generation.

Anyway, getting back to my original point, the pricing of the latest GPUs - which has dominated this thread - was virtually a non-factor in these results.

 

[InvalidError]

Anyway, getting back to my original point, the pricing of the latest GPUs - which has dominated this thread - was virtually a non-factor in these results.

We'll see how much factor price played in depressing demand in the next quarter. If it is, sales will remain depressed until there is pricing movement or more cost-effective SKUs are launched.

 

[bit_user]

We'll see how much factor price played in depressing demand in the next quarter. If it is, sales will remain depressed until there is pricing movement or more cost-effective SKUs are launched.

For me, the big news of Q4 was that prices of existing models hit bottom sooner than I expected. They seemed to be in a deflationary spiral and it somehow stopped before it seems like inventories could've cleared out.

Probably not unrelated: there was also news reported on other sites that the supply of used mining GPUs mysteriously dried up, in early Q4. I'd love to know more about that.

 

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Probably not unrelated: there was also news reported on other sites that the supply of used mining GPUs mysteriously dried up, in early Q4. I'd love to know more about that.

I'm going to guess miners didn't like the hassle they had to go through to sell their cards and the net amount of money they could get out of the whole process so they decided to either scrap the remainder or go mine whatever they bet on being the next big thing.

 

[TJ Hooker]

The Titan class of cards weren't really flagship cards. They were more like one-offs 'Freaks of cards that just used ALL available CUDA-cores for a generation.
The 4090 is NOT a Titan class card since it isn't using all the CUDA cores available for Ada Lovelace AD102, only 16384 out of a possible 18432 cuda cores!
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-reveals-secrets-of-ada-lovelace-gpus
So, if Nvidia releases a ridiculous top-tier card for the AD102(like the Titans of past), it would probably cost well beyond $3000!

Funnily enough, the very first Titan did not use a fully enabled die. Same goes for the Titan X (Pascal/Geforce 10 model).

Every time I see someone try to define what makes a 'real' Titan card (more VRAM, better FP64 performance, etc.), there are past examples that contradict them. The only consistent, defining feature I can see for Titans is that they are the highest priced cards in Nvidia's consumer lineup at time of release.