Santorum's take on church vs state

[johnsonma]

I'm sure the Brits jsut "LOVE" this, eh john?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/cataracts-hips-knees-and-tonsils-nhs-begins-rationing-operations-2327268.html

I just can't wait for this to happen in our new and improved system. Especially when it comes time for my knee replacements.

I have some crutches you can borrow until you get your knee replacements.

 

[johnsonma]

Ahhh, how very Saul Alinsky of you. Turn the focus on me rather than what is really happening.

What is a conspiracy theorist anyway? I can see what is happening right before my eyes. There is no hidden conspiracy here. It's right out in the open. The root of conspiracy is conspire. Two or more people working towards a common goal or outcome. Yes, and? That's what is happening isn't it?

Do you know how many times the phrase "as deemed by the secretary of health" appears in the Obamacare legislation? Thousands. I don't know about you but that kind of power kinda freaks me out.

What you perceive to be happening is not the case OMG, I had no choice but to focus on your thought process instead, to do otherwise would of been acknowledging your paranoid conspiracy theories.

Conspiracy Theories "are often based on little or no evidence; sometimes on misinterpretation of evidence. Conspiracy theories range from being a valid possible interpretation of events to the truly bizarre beliefs in an alternative reality"

In the case of government control it falls under this category:
The nature of paranoid conspiracy theories.

These conspiracy theories are hard to counter. PCTs do not formulate their theories in a scientific manner, and so applying logic and reason to them is usually futile.

The paranoia behind these theories manifests itself as: the hidden powers that be; the dark forces; the secret societies; the hidden agendas; that are believed to be behind them. It is the almost omnipotent ability, and the undetectable nature of these hidden forces that allows them to fool everyone. Everyone besides PCTs that is!

 

[johnsonma]

No john, I just understand who and what liberals/progressives are. They are all about control and detest individual liberty and freedom. For me it's a no brainer.

This kind of thinking is good for no one.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

If you think obesity is related to genetics you are deluded, plain and simple. There are people that are naturally bigger but being obese is completely different. Most of the high blood pressure in the country is caused from the ridiculous about of sodium intake in our diets, as much as you want to blame this on genetics or the government, you can't.

Your rambling about government isn't really worth a rebuttal, but I will say that government won't be running the healthcare system, only part of it, for those who can't get insurance any other way.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/diet-myth-or-truth-i-dont-need-to-worry-about-sodium
http://health-report.co.uk/sodium_chloride_salt_myths1.html

So, heres someone who goes on about conspiracy theories, makes claims some things arent worth responding to etc etc

Now, what everyone needs to know is, our government has pertetuated this myth, that sodium causes high blood pressure, and having heart diseases is genetic.
So, once again, theyll have to pay, or tow the line as per the governments wishes

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

If you have a pre existing disease, youll come under these restrictions.
If you dont, your sodium intake really doesnt matter, unless:
Count yourself among this group if you are older than 51; African-American; or have high blood pressure, diabetes, or chronic kidney disease.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/diet-myth-or-truth-i-dont-need-to-worry-about-sodium


So, my point, which you callously ignore, is bigotry in motion, as this will surely effect black americans, older americans, and anyone who have a genetically pre-existing condition

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

The very fact that some people are prone to diabetes, and can be traced back genetically simply cannot be ignored, and while having them covered, Im not so sure everyone wants this "protection"

 

[johnsonma]

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/diet-myth-or-truth-i-dont-need-to-worry-about-sodium
http://health-report.co.uk/sodium_chloride_salt_myths1.html

So, heres someone who goes on about conspiracy theories, makes claims some things arent worth responding to etc etc

Now, what everyone needs to know is, our government has pertetuated this myth, that sodium causes high blood pressure, and having heart diseases is genetic.
So, once again, theyll have to pay, or tow the line as per the governments wishes

You find one study that says the opposite and from that and conclude that it is a myth?!?!?!?!?!?!

Do you have any idea how the scientific process works?!?!?!

1000 studies point to sodium being linked to higher blood pressure, 5 say the opposite and it is a myth perpetrated by the government, give me a break, intellectual black holes all around me.

 

[johnsonma]

The very fact that some people are prone to diabetes, and can be traced back genetically simply cannot be ignored, and while having them covered, Im not so sure everyone wants this "protection"

http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=156

 

[johnsonma]

Neither does your kind of thinking. That's why I'm committed to defeating you and your ilk. In a political sense.

I want liberal progressive ideas/policies relegated to the dust bins of history.

Yes, destroy anything that you don't agree with, fear everything you don't understand and reject anything that is different. Its a sad day when people think this is the solution.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Cardiology/Prevention/27426
http://www.medpagetoday.com/Cardiology/CHF/29857
http://www.saltinstitute.org/News-events-media/Headlines-features/Cardiologist-Says-Don-t-Hold-the-Salt-Attempts-to-Curb-Sodium-Intake-Are-Misguided

Now, without prexisting conditions, once again, this is all bogus.
And again, its refering to those Ive mentioned earlier, older, black or prexisting peoples.
So, this makes it OK?

This is just the tip of the ice berg, as we "find out whats in it"

Using data from NHANES 2005-2008 (n=18,823), CDC researchers found that although nearly 48% of the US population aged 2 years and older meet the criteria to limit their sodium intake to 1,500 mg, the usual sodium intake for 98.6% was more than 1,500 mg. Nearly just as many people consume up to 2,300 mg per day, the data show (see Table below). The proportion of the population with a 1,500-mg daily recommendation was higher among adults (57.1%) than children (16.2%). In particular, all non-Hispanic blacks, 44% of non-Hispanic whites and 24% of Mexican-Americans aged older than 2 years were advised to limit their sodium intake to 1,500 mg daily.
http://www.cardiologytoday.com/view.aspx?rID=90179

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Now, add the rest of what Ive said, sickle cell, diabetes etc etc
Itll be how youre born, not on anything else, just to make it "fair"

 

[riser]

Maybe they just decided that red meat was too risky to be allowed to be served to it's citizens, much the way you are warned in every menu in America about red meat and poultry. Also, could it not be related to the outbreak of disease in cows in that country? No way right? Has to be their government controlling the populace to save money, no way it could be anything else.

You are overstating the trend of exercise in the workplace, I know a few places that require you to get out of your office or cubicle and at least move around for a half an hour or so, but other then that I have not heard of required exercise. It may be out there but it is not as widespread as you make it out to be.

Exercise is good for people, and in a nation of the obese and overweight, its even better. You can try and say that its to reduce costs, but I think the majority of it is to improve the health of America in general and improve productivity. It is pathetic that the strongest most influential country in the world can't even keep their weight in check, what does that say about us?

Canada had banned red meat cooking below well long before Mad Cow came about. Health concerns. That is a fact. I used to live on the Canadian border. I have Canadian friends. I'm pretty sure my comments are fairly accurate.

Now, as far as the exercise I am limited as to what I can detail but I will assure you it is being required as mandatory. Pretty much adult gym class.

 

[johnsonma]

Now, add the rest of what Ive said, sickle cell, diabetes etc etc
Itll be how youre born, not on anything else, just to make it "fair"

JDJ...are you saying that people will be charged more for pre-existing conidtions?

 

[musical marv]

I'm serious about the steak comment. Any red meat is cooked to well done. There is no "medium, medium well, rare, etc." I prefer my steak medium well. You cannot get it there because the government is paying your healthcare and thus decided that red meat is not good for you. Move forward into ObamaCare. In order to keep it under control they will need to follow suit and dictate what people eat and to what portions are served in restaurants.

As far as an outlet to exercise.. that's be fine. Except this is being required. I said "monitored" in the sense that if you didn't go, someone comes looking for you to determine why you are not exercising. If you want to work there, you HAVE to exercise (or really just show up, weight in, standard tests weekly, but put your 'time' in regardless if you walk, run, lift weights, or roll around on the floor).

I work in it. I see it. What OMG is saying in not that far around the corner. I would love to have a free gym available to me that I could use. But hey, sometimes I don't have the time to go because of other things going on in my life. Somedays I'm sore, or sick. But with this new 'lifestyle' program, you have to pretty much check into this program a few times a week. If you're out sick, prove it with a doctor's note for time missed. I'm a grown adult and being asked to provide a doctor's note because I missed a single day of required exercise?! C'mon.

That is a lot of crap we are not kids any more in public school.Adults and we should be treated like one.

 

[riser]

Ok, go to Canada and tell me otherwise. Order a steak. Let me know if they ask you how you want it cooked.

Where the hell are all the Canucks on this site that will tell the truth?

 

[johnsonma]

Ok, go to Canada and tell me otherwise. Order a steak. Let me know if they ask you how you want it cooked.

Where the hell are all the Canucks on this site that will tell the truth?

I doubt they would ever stop the sale of red meat in America, if anything they would make you sign a release.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Not if its the law