Question SATA Y Data Cable ?

[Starnet]

Does anyone know or have recently stumbled across a Sata Y Data cable (not the power one)
I currently have an SSD/HDD duplicator that uses a really crappy and cheap drive assembly. Since its arranged where it actually shares the connector with both drives it only require a single power/data connector.
I want to swap it out with a much better Kingwin one that has a separate connector for the SSD and HDD. Since I know I would only be using one drive type at a time I need a Y cable for the Sata Data port. So far my searches have turned up nothing. Short of making my own cable or somehow connecting the ports together I am drawing a blank.

Any suggestions?

 

[Lutfij]

Y-cable for SATA data, impossible. Y-cable for SATA data cable, yes they exist but you might want to look up how adapters are the primary reason for firestarters.

I currently have an SSD/HDD duplicator that uses a really crappy and cheap drive assembly.
You should look for a reliably built drive dock.

 

[USAFRet]

Does anyone know or have recently stumbled across a Sata Y Data cable (not the power one)
I currently have an SSD/HDD duplicator that uses a really crappy and cheap drive assembly. Since its arranged where it actually shares the connector with both drives it only require a single power/data connector.
I want to swap it out with a much better Kingwin one that has a separate connector for the SSD and HDD. Since I know I would only be using one drive type at a time I need a Y cable for the Sata Data port. So far my searches have turned up nothing. Short of making my own cable or somehow connecting the ports together I am drawing a blank.

Any suggestions?

What are you actually wanting to do?

Not 'attach with a Y cable', but rather the basic function you are looking to do.

 

[evermorex76]

Y-cable for SATA data, impossible. Y-cable for SATA data cable, yes they exist but you might want to look up how adapters are the primary reason for firestarters.

I currently have an SSD/HDD duplicator that uses a really crappy and cheap drive assembly.
You should look for a reliably built drive dock.

What is the difference between "Y-cable for SATA data" and "Y-cable for SATA data cable"? There's no way for the data port to be split to two different drives. There's only one signal. SATA does have the capability, technically, to connect to a hub but it was never really implemented. Maybe that's what OP has? Model information would be useful here.

 

[Starnet]

The replacement dock has a sata data connector for both the SSD and HDD bays, since there will never be a device in both bays at the same time I need the sata data to appear on both ports, thus the need for a Y cable.

 

[SyCoREAPER]

What is the difference between "Y-cable for SATA data" and "Y-cable for SATA data cable"? There's no way for the data port to be split to two different drives. There's only one signal. SATA does have the capability, technically, to connect to a hub but it was never really implemented. Maybe that's what OP has? Model information would be useful here.

Probably meant power for the second based on the fire comment.

 

[evermorex76]

The replacement dock has a sata data connector for both the SSD and HDD bays, since there will never be a device in both bays at the same time I need the sata data to appear on both ports, thus the need for a Y cable.

You're asking for something that simply doesn't exist and never could.

 

[Starnet]

I don't believe I am getting my point across. The new bay is a dual connector bay the old one is a single connector. And since a drive will either be in the SSD orHDD, never in both at the same time I need the SATA data coming from the controller be available in both location. Thus a Y cable. And for those worried about fires, we are not talking about the power connector but ONLY the SATA Data connector.
I imagine what I will end up doing is simply connect the 2 separate SATA data connections points together by soldering the 2 connectors together. If there isn't a noise issue it should work perfectly. Again let me put emphasis on this statement, there will never be a drive in the SSD slot and the HDD slot at the same time.

Obliviously this would be much easier if there was such thing as a Y cable (much like the old Y power cables for the old style drives)

 

[USAFRet]

I don't believe I am getting my point across. The new bay is a dual connector bay the old one is a single connector. And since a drive will either be in the SSD orHDD, never in both at the same time I need the SATA data coming from the controller be available in both location. Thus a Y cable. And for those worried about fires, we are not talking about the power connector but ONLY the SATA Data connector.
I imagine what I will end up doing is simply connect the 2 separate SATA data connections points together by soldering the 2 connectors together. If there isn't a noise issue it should work perfectly. Again let me put emphasis on this statement, there will never be a drive in the SSD slot and the HDD slot at the same time.

Obliviously this would be much easier if there was such thing as a Y cable (much like the old Y power cables for the old style drives)

If there will only ever be one drive, why does this need a "Y"?

With a single cable, just disconnect from the SSD, connect the HDD.
And in reverse.

There are limits to 'how many times before it wears out', but that is likely a few years down the road.

 

[evermorex76]

I don't believe I am getting my point across. The new bay is a dual connector bay the old one is a single connector.

You're not getting your point across because it doesn't make sense. Can't you provide model numbers and brands for the two devices? Is this an internal device? It sounds like the Kingwin is just two separate removable bays that happen to be mounted together, with no electronics involved so each drive needs a data connection, while the current one is an actual duplicator with a single data connection to the host the same way a multi-bay USB enclosure would work.

I get what you want now, but there simply IS NO USE for a single data cable to be split the way you want it to be in normal operation so no, you're not going to find such a cable pre-made commercially. Maybe some rando piece being handmade by somebody for the 3 people in the world that might want it.

Do you not have enough SATA ports on the motherboard to have both connected at the same time? Is there a reason they MUST be connected to the same port?

 

[CountMike]

You didn't write a single word about your system but.....if there's only one SATA connector on the MB and you have a single PCIe bus free you can get an PCIe to SATA adapter that would give you more SATA ports. Then you cab use more disks simultaneously.

 

[Starnet]

We are talking about a drive duplicator and not a PC. It has 2 Sata connectors, one for the first bay, and the other for the second bay. The duplicator uses a single connector which is shared for both an SSD or and HDD is that is what i have. It is manufactured by Systor and while it does a good job cloning and copying drive the drive bays are pure trash and the single shared SATA connector is very flimsy and easily breaks.

If you want to see what it currently uses here's a picture:

https://www.amazon.com/Kingwin-Univ...YfwZCRPw9&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&th=1

The bay I am trying to replace it with has a separate connector for each 2.5 and 3.5 drive.

 

[SkyNetRising]

We are talking about a drive duplicator and not a PC.
It has 2 Sata connectors, one for the first bay, and the other for the second bay.
The duplicator uses a single connector which is shared for both an SSD or and HDD is that is what i have.
The bay I am trying to replace it with has a separate connector for each 2.5 and 3.5 drive.

There is no such thing as SATA data Y-type cable. You can't find it.

But ... there is such thing as sata port multiplier. That would do, what you have imagined there.

 

[evermorex76]

We are talking about a drive duplicator and not a PC. It has 2 Sata connectors, one for the first bay, and the other for the second bay. The duplicator uses a single connector which is shared for both an SSD or and HDD is that is what i have. It is manufactured by Systor and while it does a good job cloning and copying drive the drive bays are pure trash and the single shared SATA connector is very flimsy and easily breaks.

If you want to see what it currently uses here's a picture:

https://www.amazon.com/Kingwin-Universal-Tray-Less-Backplane-Enclosure/dp/B00M3WNWB2

The bay I am trying to replace it with has a separate connector for each 2.5 and 3.5 drive.

Okay so the issue isn't ports in a PC at all. Since you kept referring to a bay enclosure, which is normally used in a PC, that was causing confusion. I think I understand now you're trying to replace the BAY in the duplicator, not the entire duplicator, which was not at all clear.

What is the one you're trying to replace it with? You just keep repeating things and finally showed a single component of the duplicator but no model information for the duplicator or the thing you want to replace it with. It sounds like the model you want to replace it with is simply two separate small bays squeezed into the space of a 5.25 inch bay, which is why it has two connectors. It's just a dumb bay adapter. (Your current one isn't intended for the same purpose so it has different connections.)

Are there not TWO of those Kingwin bays installed in the duplicator? The current Kingwin bay is only intended for a single drive to be used at a time, so of course there's only one connector on each one. You need a replacement bay that is also designed for only one drive at a time.

At any rate, you're simply not going to find a Y-cable like you want available for purchase. You can try to make one, and given the low speeds these duplicators seem to manage even a badly-made cable might work fine.

 

[evermorex76]

https://www.amazon.com/ORICO-Internal-Converter-Mounting-Interface/dp/B097BX3GNS looks like a really nice option. A little more money, but looks very well-built. (Looks like the old WD Velociraptor drives but I'm certain those heatsinks do next to nothing.) It needs full-depth to install though since the drives don't stick out of the front while in use. It also uses a caddy for the 2.5 inch drives.

 

[LinuxDevice]

I don't believe I am getting my point across. The new bay is a dual connector bay the old one is a single connector. And since a drive will either be in the SSD orHDD, never in both at the same time I need the SATA data coming from the controller be available in both location. Thus a Y cable. And for those worried about fires, we are not talking about the power connector but ONLY the SATA Data connector.
I imagine what I will end up doing is simply connect the 2 separate SATA data connections points together by soldering the 2 connectors together. If there isn't a noise issue it should work perfectly. Again let me put emphasis on this statement, there will never be a drive in the SSD slot and the HDD slot at the same time.

Obliviously this would be much easier if there was such thing as a Y cable (much like the old Y power cables for the old style drives)

There are RF signal quality issues as well. Unlike power the SATA data is far from being a DC signal. If you were to simply splice two data cables in parallel, but only plug in one of them at a time, then I suspect data failures would go rampant. You really need two different SATA ports even if only one gets used at a time.

 

[Starnet]

Here is a picture of the bay I am planning to use:
http://www.kingwin.com/kf-253-bk-2/#tab-67f88ace-151e-4

Here is a picture of the crap bay Systor uses in their duplicator:

KF-255-BK

KF-255-BK for 2.5” or 3.5” SATA internal hot swap rack for 2.5" SSD/HDD or 3.5" HDD. Hassle free. Kingwin wholesale available.

www.kingwin.com

the KF-255 has a single sata connector that is used for both SSD and HDD applications, total garbage. Kinda of a multi function slot. I have already had to replace one of the connectors via warranty with Systor. When you insert the drive if you don't have the alignment absolutely perfect, bingo, broken connector. The KF-253 for the most part is bullet proof, I have been using these enclosure for years on my desktop and never had an issue.

After doing a bunch of searching I finally stumbled across some Sata Data motherboard connectors, I could make 2 boards with 3 connectors tied together on a small breadboard. Again as some already mentioned this could cause a noise problem.

Let me take a second to thank all of those who have chimed in, glad were all on the same page now. I do hope this site will allow pictures to be posted directly on the site, that would have made this discussion much easier. lol

 

[SkyNetRising]

I do hope this site will allow pictures to be posted directly on the site, that would have made this discussion much easier. lol

Upload your picture to imgur.com and post link to it.

 

[evermorex76]

Let me take a second to thank all of those who have chimed in, glad were all on the same page now. I do hope this site will allow pictures to be posted directly on the site, that would have made this discussion much easier. lol

The models and links to the pages would have worked just as well, but the description of your goal was not clear. The KF-255 isn't a multi-function slot. It's a swappable bay for one drive at a time, just apparently not designed for the level of use that you're putting it to, and apparently a poor choice by Systor to use in a duplicator which would be expected to have a lot of swapping, trying to save on cost, which isn't Kingwin's fault. Now you're trying to use a different bay for a purpose it's not intended for, and there's just nothing off-the-shelf to make it easy for you.

You would be better off just finding a bay that's the same type as the current one (a single connector for a single drive to work at a time) but manufactured with higher-quality parts. The one I linked to looks like it would be similar to the one you are trying to use, in that it has more secure guidance for the drives in the full length as they slide in so you can't accidentally hit the connector at a bad angle. For both of them, though, you should check that there is enough depth for mounting them; the duplicator may only be designed to accept a bay enclosure that keeps the drives partially sticking out. (Or maybe you'll just end up with part of the new one sticking out of the duplicator itself.)

 

[Starnet]

The models and links to the pages would have worked just as well, but the description of your goal was not clear. The KF-255 isn't a multi-function slot. It's a swappable bay for one drive at a time, just apparently not designed for the level of use that you're putting it to, and apparently a poor choice by Systor to use in a duplicator which would be expected to have a lot of swapping, trying to save on cost, which isn't Kingwin's fault. Now you're trying to use a different bay for a purpose it's not intended for, and there's just nothing off-the-shelf to make it easy for you.

You would be better off just finding a bay that's the same type as the current one (a single connector for a single drive to work at a time) but manufactured with higher-quality parts. The one I linked to looks like it would be similar to the one you are trying to use, in that it has more secure guidance for the drives in the full length as they slide in so you can't accidentally hit the connector at a bad angle. For both of them, though, you should check that there is enough depth for mounting them; the duplicator may only be designed to accept a bay enclosure that keeps the drives partially sticking out. (Or maybe you'll just end up with part of the new one sticking out of the duplicator itself.)

Systor was at least smart enough to use a case large enough to allow the use the KF-255 and the large fan they have on the rear should be able to provide the sufficient cooling. I had contacted Systor about the K-253. There answer was they needed a cost effective single connector configuration that would do both drive types.

They suggested I just replace the KF-255 with a better quality without the 3.5 HDD since I really don't use them much other then to archive an SSD drive. They suggested this:
http://www.kingwin.com/kf-251-bk/
And just leave the old KF-253 in place and UN-connected or install a 3.5 drive blank panel. (this seems mickey mouse) for an expensive commercial drive duplicator.

Kind of shooting yourself in the foot to keep from having to walk. With that said the enclosure you recommended should fit just fine and would be a far superior option to what I have now. I would have to get one to see how snugly the SSD would fit into it as I would not want to have to screw them to the adapter all the time. Even if I had to do that its still a whole bunch better then what I have now with the easily damaged KF-253s and would not loose the ability to use the 3.5.'s