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l0ne <thethinker@email.it.is.not.invalid> wrote:
>kestell <kestell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> He then continues to a) pile shuffle rigorously (many times), and
>> presents. b) makes an effort to use a random shuffling method (like
>> ruffle), but only two or three times. c) ruffles six or seven times.
>
>Well, after separating the parts of a deck it's my experience that it's
>a bit hard to return it to a random state without AT THE VERY LEAST
>seven-eight ruffles.
>Anyway, during a tournament, the rules state that a. your opponent has X
>time (3 minutes I believe?) to shuffle and present you a sufficiently
>randomized deck, b. you can cut it afterwards and c. if you feel the
>deck isn't sufficiently randomized, you may call a judge to (re)do the
>shuffling. It's not really rocket science here
Actually? The Universal Tournament Rules (the ones that apply to ALL of the
DCI games, not just Magic) say specifically
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20. TOURNAMENT MECHANICS
21. Shuffling
Shuffling must be done so that the faces of the cards cannot be seen.
Regardless of the method used to shuffle, players' decks must be sufficiently
randomized. Each time players shuffle their deck, they must present their deck
to their opponent for additional shuffling and/or cutting. Players may request
to have a judge shuffle their cards rather than pass that duty to their
opponent, this request will be honored at a judge's discretion. By presenting
their decks to their opponents, players are stating that their decks are
correct, legal, and sufficiently randomized.
After decks are presented and accepted, any player who does not believe his or
her opponent has made a reasonable effort to sufficiently randomize his or her
deck must notify a judge. The head judge has final authority to determine
whether a deck has been sufficiently randomized. The head judge also has the
authority to determine if a player has used reasonable effort to randomize his
or her deck. If the head judge feels that either the deck has not been
sufficiently randomized or that a player has not made a reasonable effort to
randomize his or her deck, the player will be subject to the appropriate
provisions of the DCI Penalty Guidelines.
At REL 3 and higher events players must always shuffle their opponents' decks
at the beginning of games. The head judge can mandate the shuffling of
opponents' decks at lower RELs (1 and 2) as long as he or she announces this at
the beginning of the tournament. If a shuffling effect takes place during
gameplay, players may shuffle and must cut their opponents' decks after the
shuffling effect is completed.
Once players shuffle and/or cut their opponents' decks, the cards are returned
to their original owners. If the opponent has shuffled the player's deck, that
player may make one final cut.
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The Magic Floor Rules, in addition, specify
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114. Pregame Procedure
[...] The following steps must be performed before each game begins:
1. Players may exchange cards in their decks for cards in their sideboards
(only after the first game of the match).
2. Players shuffle their decks (see Universal Tournament Rules, section
21). Note that players may stop shuffling to perform additional sideboarding,
but must then shuffle sufficiently.
3. Players present their decks to their opponents for additional shuffling
and cutting.
4. If the opponent has shuffled the player's deck, that player may make
one final cut.
5. Players present their sideboards and put them in a clearly
distinguishable place.
6. Each player draws seven cards.
7. Each player, in turn, decides whether to mulligan (see section 115).
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The 3-minute time limit for all this is in section 23 of the UTR. (The UTR
and the Magic Floor Rules can both be found at
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/doccenter/home if you're curious.)
So, in summary: three minutes, yes; opponent must shuffle and present you a
sufficiently randomized deck, yes; you can _only_ cut it afterwards - no. You
may shuffle opponent's deck after he presents it, and at REL 3 and above you
MUST do so. He has the option to call a judge to shuffle it instead, if he
does not want you to for some reason; you have the option to call the judge
before shuffling or cutting if you feel he has -not- sufficiently randomized
it.
If you feel he has sufficiently randomized it, you can still shuffle
further, or can just cut if the REL is 2 or less. Once you give it back to him,
if you just cut it and didn't shuffle, he can't do anything more to it before
starting the game; if you shuffled it, he can cut it.
Dave
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