So Close ... It Won't Fit! Help!!

[crualtortus]

Essentially he is correct although his method of disclosing this to you is quite harsh. If you see more than 4 people with at least 1000 posts telling you not to do it and to do something the correct way, please, at least consider what we have to say. Patience, would not be saying that you have everything in so you don't want to take it apart. A little effort would not be trying to force a component onto the motherboard when it shouldve been done before you built the computer.

Yes, I understand that its a pain in the ass to have to disassemble and reassemble a computer if it doesn't work on the first boot.

Yes, I understand that you didn't know that it would be the best thing to assemble the motherboard outside the case.

Yes, I understand that you didn't understand that running a CPU without a heat sink would damage it.

But that in no way excuses you when you ask for help, get the same answer four or five times, and promptly disregard it. It shows bad Netiquette.

You got real lucky. Most of the time if someone did this they would be ignored by the third try. But we felt nice. Don't abuse that. We know from experience. We've done our share of screw ups. When you ask and you get the same answer, please listen to us.

We hate seeing good hardware go bye-bye before its time, or before you ever got a chance to overclock your new components.

I'm not going to go over buying components from eBay because its your choice where you get your stuff from, we'll just recommend not to do so.
By no means am I yelling at you. I'm just saying what I know.

I hope that when you finish this build it works gret for you. and i also hope that you'll learn more, learn how to post better, and be able to pay foward the help you recieved. There are very few people on the Forumz that don't have a debt to pay to those that helped them. I have mine, you have yours.

From my screen to yours bro,
Ninja


PS: Be glad Wusy wasn't here for this.

I would have put the heatsink on and everything out of the case if I actually had the chance. But the CPU was the last part I ordered. I had plans on building a computer for over 3 years, so I think i deserve to be able to do it my way without being bitched at about it. its all a matter of opinion about puting the heatsink on before or after. it doesnt really have a big impact.

 

[dasickninja]

I would have put the heatsink on and everything out of the case if I actually had the chance. But the CPU was the last part I ordered. I had plans on building a computer for over 3 years, so I think i deserve to be able to do it my way without being bitched at about it. its all a matter of opinion about puting the heatsink on before or after. it doesnt really have a big impact.

You were not being bitched at. If you were being bitched at you would damn well know you're being bitched at. You can put the damn thing together any damn way you please, but when you ask a question, it means that you want help and are by extension willing to do as you've been told.

It's not a matter of opinion, its a matter of f*cking fact. If you read any book or any site on how to build a PC, you will see that you must:

1) Assemble the major hardware only when you have received all of it, and have confirmed its compatibility.
2) Put everything together outside the PC
3) Make damn sure that everything is secure before turning the rig on.

It does really have a big impact. If you click the Worst PC Screw Ups link in my signature you will see that it has such a impact.

To answer you're final question, yes you need a second drive that is the exact same size and configuation as your orginal drive in order to set up a RAID 0. And it will take you atleast 7 days to get one in the mail.

I'm done here unless you've got another question.

Ja ne,
Ninja

 

[eric54]

Essentially he is correct although his method of disclosing this to you is quite harsh. If you see more than 4 people with at least 1000 posts telling you not to do it and to do something the correct way, please, at least consider what we have to say. Patience, would not be saying that you have everything in so you don't want to take it apart. A little effort would not be trying to force a component onto the motherboard when it shouldve been done before you built the computer.

Yes, I understand that its a pain in the ass to have to disassemble and reassemble a computer if it doesn't work on the first boot.

Yes, I understand that you didn't know that it would be the best thing to assemble the motherboard outside the case.

Yes, I understand that you didn't understand that running a CPU without a heat sink would damage it.

But that in no way excuses you when you ask for help, get the same answer four or five times, and promptly disregard it. It shows bad Netiquette.

You got real lucky. Most of the time if someone did this they would be ignored by the third try. But we felt nice. Don't abuse that. We know from experience. We've done our share of screw ups. When you ask and you get the same answer, please listen to us.

We hate seeing good hardware go bye-bye before its time, or before you ever got a chance to overclock your new components.

I'm not going to go over buying components from eBay because its your choice where you get your stuff from, we'll just recommend not to do so.
By no means am I yelling at you. I'm just saying what I know.

I hope that when you finish this build it works gret for you. and i also hope that you'll learn more, learn how to post better, and be able to pay foward the help you recieved. There are very few people on the Forumz that don't have a debt to pay to those that helped them. I have mine, you have yours.

From my screen to yours bro,
Ninja


PS: Be glad Wusy wasn't here for this.

I would have put the heatsink on and everything out of the case if I actually had the chance. But the CPU was the last part I ordered. I had plans on building a computer for over 3 years, so I think i deserve to be able to do it my way without being bitched at about it. its all a matter of opinion about puting the heatsink on before or after. it doesnt really have a big impact.

Main point. It did have a big impact actually. You almost lost your CPU because of it. If you waited three years you can wait 15 more minutes to remove the mobo and do things meticulous and proper. Furthermore, I bet if any of us lived next door to you and saw what you were doing through a window we'd frantically try to stop you from booting up a pc with an unseated HSF. Why? because we care about the hardware, we like to see E6400's see the light of day and we'll be dammed if they don't, I personally would miss work just to help you set things up. I know how exciting it is to finally get a computer and put the parts together, I put mine together with no experience, in fact I didn't even know about tomshardware back then so if anything did go wrong I was SOL. I advise you to count your blessings because things could be alot worse, three years easily becomes four if you accidently fry a component, all the while you'll be kicking yourself (not us) for not listening to us. Try to stay away from using words like "opinion" in regards to instruction given to you by a computer guru. You would'nt tell your professor its his opinion that gravity exists would you? There is a good reason we do things a certain way, many of the time it is to avoid horrific consequences. Take the advice, suck it up (once you get a crappy job you'll understand this) and do it!

 

[r0x0r]

To crulatorus:

Count your losses; buy a NEW hard drive from a bricks and mortar computer store, which has been packaged by people who know what they're doing. Hard drives are the cheapest they've ever been, and a new hard drive is a hell of a lot cheaper than a new Core2.

By the way, DaSickNinja has been very patient with you. If I were him I would have either:

a) Smashed my head on the keyboard from frustration or,
b) Deliberately gave you misleading advice for being such a dolt.

Basic knoweledge of a project is paramount to success.

This is 100% correct, crulatorus, and you would do well to heed that.

Yes, we are here to help others as we have been helped ourselves. But please, if everyone is telling you to do something else because your current methods are incorrect , then perhaps you should listen?

"We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak".

 

[Techie22]

Wow...

Let's review this thread. You couldn't get the heatsink on the processor so you tried to run it partially on...then you tried that again...then you tried it without it...(wtf?) then you sort of got it to work running the computer on its side...(huh?) (and instantly overclock to 2.4?) Then your hard drive fails...and then you tell us that you bought the hard drive on ebay?

You've driven me to use this.

A hard drive? On eBay? A hard drive is the first component to fail in a computer. eBay is not known for the quality of components that you can buy from them.
You've lost your money. There is a huge possiblity that you cant send it back.
Please learn from this. Do not buy drives on eBay. You're better off setting up the RAID yourself and buying from Newegg or Zipzoomfly..

lol :lol:

Then, you say that you didn't even read any manuals...and finally

Im probably gonna do what you recomended

probably? did you take any advice at all? :? :lol:

Wow. This should go in Worst PC Screw Ups.

 

[crualtortus]

Wow...

Let's review this thread. You couldn't get the heatsink on the processor so you tried to run it partially on...then you tried that again...then you tried it without it...(wtf?) then you sort of got it to work running the computer on its side...(huh?) (and instantly overclock to 2.4?) Then your hard drive fails...and then you tell us that you bought the hard drive on ebay?

You've driven me to use this.

A hard drive? On eBay? A hard drive is the first component to fail in a computer. eBay is not known for the quality of components that you can buy from them.
You've lost your money. There is a huge possiblity that you cant send it back.
Please learn from this. Do not buy drives on eBay. You're better off setting up the RAID yourself and buying from Newegg or Zipzoomfly..

lol :lol:

Then, you say that you didn't even read any manuals...and finally

Im probably gonna do what you recomended

probably? did you take any advice at all? :? :lol:

Wow. This should go in Worst PC Screw Ups.

why, considering that the system worked. the hardrive just died... and the heatsink was correctly on there, i just had bent the pins or w/e you wanna call them that holds the heatsink on, so it couldnt support its weight... and I ran it on its side for fear that the heatsink would partially fall off again with out me seeing it. and you mentioned that I overclocked to 2.4, yeah, so what. it wasnt hard... I just told the asus program to turn up the fsb a little bit, i would have, and still plan on running it at 3.0, once i get the computer up and running again..

 

[crualtortus]

and I never said i didnt read any manuals, i just didnt look through the manual to find out how to access bios... I used the manuals alot. I had at least 3 out at a time, refrencing stuff.

 

[dean7]

Well, these people aren't bitching at you man. It's OK 😀 . They are just frustrated because you are frustrated because you came on here, got advice, didn't listen to it, and keep having problems because of it. But, they really are trying to help you, so just listen to what they have to say.

The bottom line is: it sounds like you are extremely impatient (which we all can be when it comes to new "toys" like PCs... I am the same way). However, if you want to build a PC without making a mistake, it takes patience. You have to put the time in to research every bit of hardware (e.g. asking people on Forumz if it's a good idea to buy off eBay for HDDs before buying), then it takes a lot of time to put that HW together.

If you need instant gratification, you can always buy a Dell or something (and I'm not against Dell. They make fine PCs). Most of the people on here build there own PCs because it can be a fun and rewarding experience. However, if you're looking for the satisfaction that comes from building your own PC, you must be willing to put the extra work in to building it to ensure a successful operation.

If you don't put the time in, you're always going to banging your head against the wall. When it comes to computer hardware, you have to just slow down and start reading documentation.

 

[hammong]

I'll try to keep this purely constructive and leave my personal feelings out of it.....

1) Never ever operate your CPU again without a heatsink. There are, to this day, several modern CPUs that will fry before you can say "oops" without a heatsink attached. This is NO exaggeration. I believe it was here, on THG itself, that had a video of an AMD Athlon being run w/o a heatsink and actually sputtering smoke from the destroyed CPU in less than 20-30 seconds with no heatsink. Not funny.

2) Do not ever ask for advice in a public forum only to dismiss the information provided by professionals and experts as hearsay or incorrect or unnecessary until you have thoroughly researched the topic and can definitively say that you know more than they do.

- Greg

 

[dean7]

I'll try to keep this purely constructive and leave my personal feelings out of it.....

1) Never ever operate your CPU again without a heatsink. There are, to this day, several modern CPUs that will fry before you can say "oops" without a heatsink attached. This is NO exaggeration. I believe it was here, on THG itself, that had a video of an AMD Athlon being run w/o a heatsink and actually sputtering smoke from the destroyed CPU in less than 20-30 seconds with no heatsink. Not funny.

2) Do not ever ask for advice in a public forum only to dismiss the information provided by professionals and experts as hearsay or incorrect or unnecessary until you have thoroughly researched the topic and can definitively say that you know more than they do.

- Greg

1) <-- Yeah, this was already covered earlier in this thread. It was, indeed, on THG. He apparently didn't see the video.
2) Take it easy. He obviously learned his lesson the hard way. If he makes the same mistake again, he's a moron. If he learns from this mistake and people in THG Forumz are cool about it, it's a learning experience. Maybe he will be enspired to read up on PCs and one day be an expert of the forumz. But, many people pointing out his obvious mistakes in many different ways is only going to make him more pissy.

Plus, it could be worse. I've heard horror stories of users trying to fit PCI Express GPUs in AGP slots with saws. So, our little buddy crualtortus isn't doing as bad as he could be. 😱

 

[corvetteguy]

DELETED DUE TO UNNECCESSARY BURNS...

 

[dasickninja]

All I want is for his PC to ork and for him too njoy it. I'm pretty sure we all feel the same way. I apolgize to hm if my last post came out harsh...

@ CorvetteDude:
That is toally unessesary. He isn't Baron. Edit the post.

 

[corvetteguy]

All I want is for his PC to ork and for him too njoy it. I'm pretty sure we all feel the same way. I apolgize to hm if my last post came out harsh...

@ CorvetteDude:
That is toally unessesary. He isn't Baron. Edit the post.

AWWWWWW!

I was just having fun.

Fine I'll edit the post, i was practicing and looking for a good place to post it.

 

[dasickninja]

Baron is due to open his mouth anytime soon. Just wait my friend. Patience is quite the virtue. Besides, it'll be better spend on our Village Idiot than on this guy.
I want to keep this thread free from burns and flames. I don't want the guy to leave, just understand what I'm saying.

 

[corvetteguy]

Baron is due to open his mouth anytime soon. Just wait my friend. Patience is quite the virtue. Besides, it'll be better spend on our Village Idiot than on this guy.
I want to keep this thread free from burns and flames. I don't want the guy to leave, just understand what I'm saying.

Don't worry, i just posted it against baron.

 

[dasickninja]

You sly bastard, such cunning from the younger generation, and yet only one year younger and I would be in such a class.
Go forth and fight the FUD

 

[Dade_0182]

I can't believe you guys were so damn patient with him. I myself is a rather patient man and I got somewhat annoyed just reading it all. Maybe for payback you should tell him to only OC a little at a time and he'll ignore it and shoot for the moon and fry the thing anyway. Then it did die having been OCed.

 

[caskachan]

so yeah, i got insulted as well, i work at building pcs, and i hate it when people ask me for advice and the next sentence disregards my response..


but its ok op, dont listen to these guys, make your computer faster overclock it, raise the voltage as high as you can, it runs better!

but first take the mobo out!

D:

 

[mitch074]

Personally before I put everything in a case I do the following:
- locate a nice, dry, wooden or plastic surface;
- assemble the mobo/CPU/fan/RAM outside the box, checking there are no loose parts (connected fan, tightened CPU, well mounted HSF)
- connect a HD, the graphics card and a DVD drive
- connect power supply to mobo and disks
- short circuit the power button connector to boot once.
If if fails, diagnostic time, with mobo manual in hand:
- is the RAM in the correct socket (some mobo don't like the RAM being put in any socket)?
- is there any need for jumper or DIP switch set up?
- is there any diagnostic system (LED, beep etc.) I can use?
If I can make it to work, then:
- enter BIOS
- check disk parameters, CPU frequency, voltages, power/temp monitors, activated built-in devices
- reboot, check again, then use a boot CD (Ultimate Boot CD, or a Knoppix Linux CD) to partition, format and check the disk
Once successful, disconnect disks, power; put the mobo in the case (with spacers), and put disks in; tidy up cables, connect connectors 😛 then put PSU inside.
Once there, install OS of choice, start benches, do some burn-in, and after a while see about overclocking.

Can be considered: latex gloves, atmosphere drier, power tester, external thermometers.

When you lose $200 of hardware due to carelessness like I almost did the first time I decided not to bother with those precautions, then you don't see it as a loss of time.

Dismantling your computer and cleaning the parts once every 6-8 months (for dust) will help keep it healthy. Dry air blowers are both expensive and not as efficient as a good scrub with a non-statick soft brush.

 

[CompTIA_Rep]

...If you see more than 4 people with at least 1000 posts telling you not to do it and to do something the correct way, please, at least consider what we have to say... [/i]

I would like to point out that the number of posts does not reflect knowledge, just the ability to press the submit button. Anyway most people here with 1000x posts I have seen to be knowledgeable, and pletny of people under that count.


Anyway, its hard to help people with physical problems over the internet, and many times we cant give information if we think the person will only do 1/2 of the instructions or pick and choose at his/her convenicence. When the requester is just lazy and states that, its very frusterating because we are taking our time helping you, making sure you are doing things correctly, and helping out any problems. When you say you are too lazy to do something we ask or suggest, you are insulting all of us that are trying to help you.


Anyway, Something that I didnt see mentioned. When the HSF fell off (how many times?) you need to completly clean the surfaces of the heat compound and reapply. This is necessary expecialy if you are OC'ing.

 

[brainysmurf]

Well, the OP appears to have moved on. Either he's got his system working and is too busy having fun to worry about the forum, or he fried his computer good and is too embarassed to come back!
I gave up on him when he kept insisting that he had installed the heat sink correctly -- but it kept talling off. WTF?
A correctly installed heat sink does not "fall off"; i.e., it was clearly not correctly installed ...
Anyway. Hope he finally figure it out.
But this whole post just goes to show: YOU CAN'T HELP SOME PEOPLE!

 

[dasickninja]

And with that I declare this thread over. Unless the OP has new questions.
Ninja out.





EDIT:
Yet it still goes on. What the hell....

 

[dean7]

i am a sick bandage,but i gotta read the saw with the pcie post,come on man i need a fix. :lol:

Well, there's not a lot to tell about that, actually...

You know how when you work with computers, everybody is like "ahh... the 'computer guy'... I'll talk tech with him to demonstrate my knowledge!"? Anyway, my GFs family is from a small town in Washington. So, I'm "talking tech" with her brother and he's asking me about upgrading GPUs. I tell him some info about how to identify whether your mobo is AGP or PCIE, and he's like "yeah... I totally told my friend that but he wouldn't listen" to which I reply "Oh? What did he do?".

And, it turns out that his friend was like "yee haw, I'm gonna order me a new whiz bang GeeForce card!" (ok, he might not have been that stupid but I have to dramatize the story a bit... and, he probably was that stupid). He doesn't know jack about power requirements, he doesn't know what AGP is, he doesn't know what PCIE is, he probably doesn't even know what a mobo is. But, he manages to get online and order a new GPU.

So, his new Geforce gets here in the mail, and he goes to plug it in. But, it doesn't fit. So, he calls my GFs brother and explains the situation. GFs brother is like "ok... hang on... I'll come over." (since he knows like 1000% more about computers than the other guy, and by that I mean he knows what a floppy drive is).

When he gets there, his friend is "modifying" the AGP slot to accept the new card by sawing the back of the slot open (so the new card will fit) with a hack-saw. He obviously F-ed his PC up and it's now fried.

 

[MCGTech]

Wow...

Let's review this thread. You couldn't get the heatsink on the processor so you tried to run it partially on...then you tried that again...then you tried it without it...(wtf?) then you sort of got it to work running the computer on its side...(huh?) (and instantly overclock to 2.4?) Then your hard drive fails...and then you tell us that you bought the hard drive on ebay?

You've driven me to use this.

A hard drive? On eBay? A hard drive is the first component to fail in a computer. eBay is not known for the quality of components that you can buy from them.
You've lost your money. There is a huge possiblity that you cant send it back.
Please learn from this. Do not buy drives on eBay. You're better off setting up the RAID yourself and buying from Newegg or Zipzoomfly..

lol :lol:

Then, you say that you didn't even read any manuals...and finally

Im probably gonna do what you recomended

probably? did you take any advice at all? :? :lol:

Wow. This should go in Worst PC Screw Ups.

why, considering that the system worked. the hardrive just died... and the heatsink was correctly on there, i just had bent the pins or w/e you wanna call them that holds the heatsink on, so it couldnt support its weight... and I ran it on its side for fear that the heatsink would partially fall off again with out me seeing it. and you mentioned that I overclocked to 2.4, yeah, so what. it wasnt hard... I just told the asus program to turn up the fsb a little bit, i would have, and still plan on running it at 3.0, once i get the computer up and running again..

do you realize how arrogant and ignorant you sound?i am sorry your mind works like that man,you must frustrate a few people in person as well.
pop quiz what conditions can give you a boot disk error?had a few my self and didnt have to reformat or rma the damn thing.


OOOOO! OOOOO! [exuberantly raises hand]

A loosened data cable from rummaging around in the PC? :roll: 😳


Seriously, crualtortus, I guarantee everyone here has made their mistakes. Most have learned from them The level of experience in this forum is immense.

By the way, as mentioned, the system will shut down when the cpu is overheated. However, I'm sure the engineers did not take into account no heatsink at all!! A failed fan, dust buildup, ok. Even though you seem to have gotten away with it the processor may hve been damaged and can become unstable in the future or when overclocked. Don't forget this if sometime in the future you're wondering why your system locks up occasionally or does some other weird things.

And yes, you have every right to see what you can get away with, we see where you're headed and can't bare to watch... kinda

Like a train wreck 8O

 

[blunc]

I'm kinda thinkin the next post we'll see from the OP will go as following:

"Okay....I just put my new computer...you know...the one that had the HSF that fell off twice....well anyway...I just put it into a space shuttle and when I send the shuttle over to the launch pad and they stand it up for launch....the heat sink falls off....I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE, I'm gonna go buy a space shuttle off ebay."




sorry...I couldn't help myself. :twisted: