Question [SOLVED] Is this considered as Thermal Throttling or the CPU Cooler is hindering my CPU's Clock Speed?

[stewuie]

I have a I5-10600 base 3.3 ghz clock speed max is 4.8 ghz clock speed

The temps are 35 to 45 degrees when idle and they use like 4.8 ghz when idle
and when benchmarking they skyrocket to 90 degrees and hit 3.9 ghz and go stable around 78 - 81 degrees

Is this typically normal when benchmarking?

What is the cause for my clock speed not maxing out when benchmarking using Cinebench R23 or could this be hindered by my single stick of ddr4 ram running at 2133 mhz no x.m.p and intel stock cpu cooler

Let me know! or im just overlooking..

 

[uWebb429]

4.8 ghz

Max speed is only available when a single core is active. Cinebench loads all cores so the maximum speed is automatically reduced.

The 10600 also has a 65W power limit. During a long term test, the CPU will slow down so it does not exceed 65W. You can try using software like ThrottleStop to raise the turbo power limits but this is not recommended. The stock Intel OEM cooler is not designed to manage the extra heat this might create.

 

[stewuie]

Max speed is only available when a single core is active. Cinebench loads all cores so the maximum speed is automatically reduced.

The 10600 also has a 65W power limit. During a long term test, the CPU will slow down so it does not exceed 65W. You can try using software like ThrottleStop to raise the turbo power limits but this is not recommended. The stock Intel OEM cooler is not designed to manage the extra heat this might create.

Very informative but will my temps and mhz go up when i buy a good gaming cooler?

 

[uWebb429]

good gaming cooler

A better cooler will only help if your CPU is thermal throttling. It will not make your CPU run any faster if it is power limit throttling. You need a better cooler and you need to increase the power limits. Your motherboard may not have that feature available or the BIOS might lock out power limit adjustments.

 

[stewuie]

A better cooler will only help if your CPU is thermal throttling. It will not make your CPU run any faster if it is power limit throttling. You need a better cooler and you need to increase the power limits. Your motherboard may not have that feature available or the BIOS might lock out power limit adjustments.

Some guy said that my CPU was definitely Thermal Throttling.
What are your thoughts about this?

"Definitely. The CPU shoots up to 90, then throttles and settles at 80 degrees with lowered boost clock speed. Saw my i5 11400 do the same thing with stock cooler.

For normal use it’s okay. Usually you won’t see any programs putting every core at 100%, as you see in benchmarking. But even one or two going all out might throttle it.

I would just buy some cheap be quiet 30 bucks tower cooler or something, they usually are more then enough for a i5 to keep it from throttling at max load."

"Did you try to enable xmp memory profile in bios? 2133 sounds like Stock memory speed and then an i5 might throttle more, too. Kind of weird behavior but I just witnessed it myself. My i5 11400 did the same. Throttle down nearly 800mhz when ram was on stock. With xmp profile enabled and ram running at it’s designed 3200mhz it throttled as well, but only about 400mhz."

"You obviously didn’t read all. He said the cpu shoots up over 90, clocks down and settles at 80. typical thermal throttling behavior. Losing 800mhz is severe throttling even."

 

[stewuie]

Some guy said that my CPU was definitely Thermal Throttling.
What are your thoughts about this?

"Definitely. The CPU shoots up to 90, then throttles and settles at 80 degrees with lowered boost clock speed. Saw my i5 11400 do the same thing with stock cooler.

For normal use it’s okay. Usually you won’t see any programs putting every core at 100%, as you see in benchmarking. But even one or two going all out might throttle it.

I would just buy some cheap be quiet 30 bucks tower cooler or something, they usually are more then enough for a i5 to keep it from throttling at max load."

"Did you try to enable xmp memory profile in bios? 2133 sounds like Stock memory speed and then an i5 might throttle more, too. Kind of weird behavior but I just witnessed it myself. My i5 11400 did the same. Throttle down nearly 800mhz when ram was on stock. With xmp profile enabled and ram running at it’s designed 3200mhz it throttled as well, but only about 400mhz."

"You obviously didn’t read all. He said the cpu shoots up over 90, clocks down and settles at 80. typical thermal throttling behavior. Losing 800mhz is severe throttling even."

Is there a solution to this? or my cpu is broken? this only happens when benchmarking but gaming its only 70 degree-ish and is running on 4.4 ghz which is kinda g and i run on "High Performance Power Plan" and from what i've researched my CPU which is a i5-10600 has a 65 watt power limit. I also disabled Power Throttling? But no issues when gaming though. and through this pc's lifetime no overclocks were made not even my gpu.

 

[Phaaze88]

CPU shoots up to 90, then throttles

There is no thermal throttling below 99.5C, none at all, unless someone set the thermal limit to a lower value in bios... which, as far as I know, almost no one does.
Now, there are motherboards with lower power limits set by the manufacturer(cause they know the board's VRM is crap), or the cooling over the VRM area is lacking(airflow or thermal interface), either of which can lead to power throttling.

or im just overlooking..

Overlooking(?)/overreaching.
Thermals are fine in game, 👍👍.
And you shouldn't be running benchmarks/stress tests with the stock cooler. They were NOT meant for that kind of use at all, so the experience may as well have been a red herring.

 

[stewuie]

There is no thermal throttling below 99.5C, none at all, unless someone set the thermal limit to a lower value in bios... which, as far as I know, almost no one does.
Now, there are motherboards with lower power limits set by the manufacturer(cause they know the board's VRM is crap), or the cooling over the VRM area is lacking(airflow or thermal interface), either of which can lead to power throttling.



Overlooking(?)/overreaching.
Thermals are fine in game, 👍👍.
And you shouldn't be running benchmarks/stress tests with the stock cooler. They were NOT meant for that kind of use at all, so the experience may as well have been a red herring.

Thank you for your response. i'll take this to heart
Soon im gonna be upgrading to a budget gaming cooler and buy 2 sticks of ram.

 

[stewuie]

There is no thermal throttling below 99.5C, none at all, unless someone set the thermal limit to a lower value in bios... which, as far as I know, almost no one does.
Now, there are motherboards with lower power limits set by the manufacturer(cause they know the board's VRM is crap), or the cooling over the VRM area is lacking(airflow or thermal interface), either of which can lead to power throttling.



Overlooking(?)/overreaching.
Thermals are fine in game, 👍👍.
And you shouldn't be running benchmarks/stress tests with the stock cooler. They were NOT meant for that kind of use at all, so the experience may as well have been a red herring.

I also know that i didnt tinker with the bios settings as i've reset the bios settings every time i close out of it. and i didnt also overclock so yeah

 

[Misgar]

If your CPU runs without crashing, it's not "broken".

Bench marking achieves very little, apart from showing how fast your machine can run flat out. Similarly, the only reason for stress testing is to check if your system is stable.

Normal programs that stress a CPU to a similar degree include Handbrake when converting video and WinRAR during file compression. These programs use all available cores and push them up towards 100%.

It's quite likely your CPU will throttle during processor intensive tasks, but this is simply a safety feature designed to prevent thermal runaway and permanent damage. It's similar to the 'rev limiter' in a car engine and nothing to get concerned about.

With recent CPUs, you can actually improve performance and extract another 100MHz or more, if you fit a much bigger cooler. Most Ryzen CPUs boost up to 95C whenever necessary, Intel CPUs boost up to 100C and can remain there until the program is terminated.

Just accept thermal throttling is a normal function and stop worrying. It's not as if your CPU is pinned at 100% all the time.

 

[stewuie]

If your CPU runs without crashing, it's not "broken".

Bench marking achieves very little, apart from showing how fast your machine can run flat out. Similarly, the only reason for stress testing is to check if your system is stable.

Normal programs that stress a CPU to a similar degree include Handbrake when converting video and WinRAR during file compression. These programs use all available cores and push them up towards 100%.

It's quite likely your CPU will throttle during processor intensive tasks, but this is simply a safety feature designed to prevent thermal runaway and permanent damage. It's similar to the 'rev limiter' in a car engine and nothing to get concerned about.

With recent CPUs, you can actually improve performance and extract another 100MHz or more, if you fit a much bigger cooler. Most Ryzen CPUs boost up to 95C whenever necessary, Intel CPUs boost up to 100C and can remain there until the program is terminated.

Just accept thermal throttling is a normal function and stop worrying. It's not as if your CPU is pinned at 100% all the time.

Very informative again 👍
My worrying stems from when gaming i overthink about a microstutter which happens rarely so often but one fps or two fps drop and they wont come back but i will continue on upgrading my ram and cooler and airflow.

 

[uWebb429]

Try running HWiNFO. The Limit Reasons data it reports will show you why an Intel CPU is throttling. There is no reason to guess what the problem is when there are free tools like HWiNFO available.

https://imgur.com/ormC7P2

View: https://imgur.com/ormC7P2

He said the cpu shoots up over 90, clocks down and settles at 80. typical thermal throttling behavior.

That is not typical thermal throttling behavior at all. I wish people would avoid making stuff up when they clearly do not know what they are talking about.

When Intel CPUs are set to default specs, they start to thermal throttle when a core reaches 100°C. Any throttling before that is usually power limit throttling.

 

[beyondlogic]

Very informative again 👍
My worrying stems from when gaming i overthink about a microstutter which happens rarely so often but one fps or two fps drop and they wont come back but i will continue on upgrading my ram and cooler and airflow.

the cooler your cpu the more it will stay in a higher clocked state.

if your cpu is hitting 90 degrees in a benchmark or stress its way to high for a 65 watt processor.

when i benchmark my ryzen 5700x for example im hitting at max maybe 70 and thats 2 more cores.
I5-10600 is 65 tdp thats not the same as watts when its running it can be double that number.

what cpu cooler are you using ?

 

[stewuie]

the cooler your cpu the more it will stay in a higher clocked state.

if your cpu is hitting 90 degrees in a benchmark or stress its way to high for a 65 watt processor.

when i benchmark my ryzen 5700x for example im hitting at max maybe 70 and thats 2 more cores.
I5-10600 is 65 tdp thats not the same as watts when its running it can be double that number.

what cpu cooler are you using ?

Intel Stock Cooler.

 

[stewuie]

Try running HWiNFO. The Limit Reasons data it reports will show you why an Intel CPU is throttling. There is no reason to guess what the problem is when there are free tools like HWiNFO available.

https://imgur.com/ormC7P2

View: https://imgur.com/ormC7P2



That is not typical thermal throttling behavior at all. I wish people would avoid making stuff up when they clearly do not know what they are talking about.

When Intel CPUs are set to default specs, they start to thermal throttle when a core reaches 100°C. Any throttling before that is usually power limit throttling.

pretty neat but i'll use it whenever my cpu actually had throttled. But thank you man. it's probably just me overreacting from the ghz and the temperatures but all seems to be well no fps drops in games such as valorant and roblox.

 

[beyondlogic]

pretty neat but i'll use it whenever my cpu actually had throttled. But thank you man. it's probably just me overreacting from the ghz and the temperatures but all seems to be well no fps drops in games such as valorant and roblox.

if you want better temps on the cheap

regular case size thermalright assassin king 120 se is a good cooler
smaller case thermalright SI-100
sff cases thermalright AXP90-X53

are all inexpensive coolers but will be much better then the stock cooler

you will have to clean of the old paste with cotton swab and isopropyl alcohol. once clean and dry apply new paste

i use the spread method

 

[Karadjgne]

10th Gen had differing power limits and a timer associated with them.
For a 10600, that's PL1=65w, PL2=134w and Tau=28 seconds.

What that means is when a process starts, for the first 28 seconds, the cpu will see a 134w power use, and you'll get max boost per # of cores. After that initial power surge usage of 28 seconds, the cpu automatically will slow it's clocks and settle to a 65w power use.

The theory behind it is like an air conditioner compressor. At first start it requires a big push to get things running and moving, but after a few seconds it can relax power as it takes very little to keep it running.

So you are guaranteed to see very high temps as recorded as 'Max Temp' , but after that 28 seconds, the temps should drop off a little as does boost speeds and voltages during 'Current Temp' readings.

Those are Intel recommended specs common to all mobo's in standard power settings. If you use Performance mode, Multi Core Enhancement, Performance Power settings etc then Intel recommended specs go out the window and you are left at the mercy of whatever the motherboard Vendor settings for PL1, PL2 and Tau are, which can vary but go all the way upto 1000w for PL1, 1000w for PL2 and Tau of 99,999 seconds. Which guarantees your cpu will roast if not properly cooled by a good aftermarket cooler to keep the wattage in check.

 

[stewuie]

10th Gen had differing power limits and a timer associated with them.
For a 10600, that's PL1=65w, PL2=134w and Tau=28 seconds.

What that means is when a process starts, for the first 28 seconds, the cpu will see a 134w power use, and you'll get max boost per # of cores. After that initial power surge usage of 28 seconds, the cpu automatically will slow it's clocks and settle to a 65w power use.

The theory behind it is like an air conditioner compressor. At first start it requires a big push to get things running and moving, but after a few seconds it can relax power as it takes very little to keep it running.

So you are guaranteed to see very high temps as recorded as 'Max Temp' , but after that 28 seconds, the temps should drop off a little as does boost speeds and voltages during 'Current Temp' readings.

Those are Intel recommended specs common to all mobo's in standard power settings. If you use Performance mode, Multi Core Enhancement, Performance Power settings etc then Intel recommended specs go out the window and you are left at the mercy of whatever the motherboard Vendor settings for PL1, PL2 and Tau are, which can vary but go all the way upto 1000w for PL1, 1000w for PL2 and Tau of 99,999 seconds. Which guarantees your cpu will roast if not properly cooled by a good aftermarket cooler to keep the wattage in check.

My pc's temp and ghz good interms of normal gaming use no? with stock settings and everything at default untouched and it wont fry my cpu?

 

[Misgar]

Without a crystal ball and the gift of inner sight, it's difficult to predict that nothing will "fry" your CPU, but if you leave everything at stock settings and your cooling solution is working, you stand a good chance of enjoying several years of trouble free operation.

Then again, lightning could strike your house (as it has mine on two occasions) and your computer could die spectacularly tomorrow.

Nothing is certain in life (except death and taxes).

 

[beyondlogic]

My pc's temp and ghz good interms of normal gaming use no? with stock settings and everything at default untouched and it wont fry my cpu?

the higher your temperature the more youll wear down your components

just because the cpu can run at 90 degrees or higher doesnt mean that it can forever. the cooler the pc the better it will run more stable.

50-65c is sweet spot.

in terms of ghz isnt always the answer its the arctitecture your pc cpu isnt that old should be fine depending on the res your aiming at be it `1080p or 1440p etc

 

[stewuie]

Without a crystal ball and the gift of inner sight, it's difficult to predict that nothing will "fry" your CPU, but if you leave everything at stock settings and your cooling solution is working, you stand a good chance of enjoying several years of trouble free operation.

Then again, lightning could strike your house (as it has mine on two occasions) and your computer could die spectacularly tomorrow.

Nothing is certain in life (except death and taxes).

Good point, but some time down the line im gonna invest for a aftermarket cooler because this Intel Stock Cooler is so annoying and buy dual ram sticks but as far as i've know from all the information i've gathered from you guys my cpu is probably not throttling and is due to that intel stock cooler lol thanks for the info.

 

[stewuie]

the higher your temperature the more youll wear down your components

just because the cpu can run at 90 degrees or higher doesnt mean that it can forever. the cooler the pc the better it will run more stable.

50-65c is sweet spot.

in terms of ghz isnt always the answer its the arctitecture your pc cpu isnt that old should be fine depending on the res your aiming at be it `1080p or 1440p etc

when gaming my sweet spot is usually 70 to 80 never hits 90 which is usually good.
i mean in degrees.

 

[beyondlogic]

when gaming my sweet spot is usually 70 to 80 never hits 90 which is usually good.
i mean in degrees.

on stock cooler that doesn't surprise me its that high its doing 70-80 now how old is the system ?

 

[stewuie]

on stock cooler that doesn't surprise me its that high its doing 70-80 now how old is the system ?

it's been 2 years old bought it around march 2021? though i cleaned it and properly reinstalled the fan and got off the large amound of dust in the cpu fan and repasted and i saw some changes afterwards the temps were cooler. 😅

 

[beyondlogic]

it's been 2 years old bought it around march 2021? though i cleaned it and properly reinstalled the fan and got off the large amound of dust in the cpu fan and repasted and i saw some changes afterwards the temps were cooler. 😅

i still stand by my getting a better cooler 70-80c is quite high still and thats alot of heat to kick out of a case. what case are you using ? amd are you uk or usa ?