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Interesting. Now you cannot trust anymore what you buy and have to analyze it yourself.
I bet in the future they will add a disclaimer along the lines of "up to 10,000 ROP's"

A bit like LCD/OLED panels, where we often still have language that allows stuck/dead pixels to be ok as long as they meet a certain "threshold".
 
So, this is the RX 560 - 1024 and RX 560 - 896 scenario all over again. Two GPUs, one name. If they don't rebrand this as the 5090B or something, that is going to be annoying.

At least with the GTX 1060 6GB, and 3GB (and 5GB) there was something different.

GTX 970 is still an annoying one. A lot was fixed with drivers, but any game that dared get past 3.5GB was a mess.

You may now guess, politely, to yourself, what the B stands for.
 
helper800 said:
That would only make sense if consumers made up a substantial portion of Nvidia's revenue.


That is an extremely reductive statement. Nobody deserves to be scammed by the manufacturer of a product regardless of what one pays for the product...
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Thing is, consumers would make a substantial proportion of sales, if nvidia didn't artificially limit availability in order to drive fomo. Case in point, how many people waited in line on 5090 launch day vs how many 5090s were actually available. Like I said, if consumers stop buying into Jensen's BS, it will force nvidia to either fix the issues to regain consumer trust, or abandon consumers and transition fully to ai accelerators, leaving space for amd and intel to fill
 
I would be Infuriated if I paid for a 5090 and got a "5090 Sort of". I prefer Nvidia, (love AMD too), but this is really bad. I suspect it is the work of the card manufacturer not Nvidia. We should see some legal issues pop up soon. Even if it is only one, how did that happen? Why would they think they could get away with it?
 
btmedic04 said:
Like I said, if consumers stop buying into Jensen's BS, it will force nvidia to either fix the issues to regain consumer trust, or abandon consumers and transition fully to ai accelerators, leaving space for amd and intel to fill
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The latter, is much more likely, if you ask me.

Consumers, buy into Jensen's BS, because there's no better high-end alternative than 5090 and 4090.

Thank AMD for that.
 
However, given the widespread Blackwell shortage, the use of slightly trimmed-down GB202 chips might have been a stopgap solution to meet demand. Even so, retailers are still putting customers on hold for up to 14 weeks to secure an RTX 5090.
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That is a rather bad way to do business, it is better or worse that they are not meeting demand for the card?
 
So basically that "25%" overall lead over a 4090 can shrink to as little as 14%?

It's rhetorical, but is this not ridiculous?

I felt so uncomfortable upgrading to my 4090 because of the price, but I feel like I straight up dodged a bullet by not holding out through one more generation (especially given where that price landed months after I purchased my card).
 
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valthuer said:
The latter, is much more likely, if you ask me.

Consumers, buy into Jensen's BS, because there's no better high-end alternative than 5090 and 4090.

Thank AMD for that.
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I'm perfectly ok with that outcome. It would be far less insulting than how nvidia currently treats gamers.

Sadly, amd cannot compete against 2 market leaders at the same time. They simply don't have the resources to do so. This may change now that intel is faltering on the cpu side, but it won't be for a generation or two.
 
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I felt so uncomfortable upgrading to my 4090 because of the price, but I feel like I straight up dodged a bullet by not holding out through one more generation (especially given where that price landed months after I purchased my card).
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Yep.

It was a wise decision on your part - especially, considering the fact that Nvidia has already made DLSS 4.0 available for the RTX-40 series.

And with 24GBs of VRAM, you are set up for ther next 3-4 years.
 
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Wow! Just wow! This is an incredibly foolish move by NVIDIA. It is NOT an accident. Either a core is validated with 176 fully operational ROPs, according to the RTX 5090 spec, or it isn't.

Someone at NVIDIA had to purposefully make the decision to release these cores as RTX 5090 cores even though it was known that they do not meet the RTX 5090 spec.

I wouldn't be surprised if the microscope gets turned up on the last few generations of NVIDIA cards now. Datacenters will test cards to make sure they got what they paid for.
 
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Proof that having the "best" means nothing when it's not.

AMD is in a very good position right now despite choosing not to compete with Nvidia, almost like they knew ahead of time there would be no competition.
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ROP ROP ROP ROP ROP ROP ROP
-Sad Trombone

The sound you hear when you find out your RTX5090 is actually an RTX5087
 
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helper800 said:
How do you figure? You can RMA the card...
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You generally need a proof of purchase showing that a product was bought from an authorized reseller in the same country/region as where you're trying to claim the warranty in order for an RMA to be approved, even if the product has not been on the market long enough for any of them to be out of warranty. If you buy used you're extremely unlikely to have this, and dependent on being able to reach the seller, them still having the receipts on hand for an item they no longer own, and them being willing to share them, even though it's no longer their problem.
 
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jlake3 said:
You generally need a proof of purchase showing that a product was bought from an authorized reseller in the same country/region as where you're trying to claim the warranty in order for an RMA to be approved, even if the product has not been on the market long enough for any of them to be out of warranty. If you buy used you're extremely unlikely to have this, and dependent on being able to reach the seller, them still having the receipts on hand for an item they no longer own, and them being willing to share them, even though it's no longer their problem.
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Alvar Miles Udell said:
RMA's require proof of purchase from an authorized retailer, not a random guy off eBay or Facebook Marketplace.
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Nearly every single scalper or reseller provides the original invoice, proof of purchase, or other such receipt needed for an RMA.
 
helper800 said:
Nearly every single scalper or reseller provides the original invoice, proof of purchase, or other such receipt needed for an RMA.
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I've never bought a just-launched product from a scalper, but in 15 years I don't think I've ever had a second-hand seller proactively give me all the documentation just in case I needed it.
 
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