News Some RTX 5090s are shipping with missing ROP units, leading to less gaming performance: Report

[helper800]

I've never bought a just-launched product from a scalper, but in 15 years I don't think I've ever had a second-hand seller proactively give me all the documentation just in case I needed it.

I have purchased many products second hand but still within warranty and with few exceptions I was able to also get the original proof of purchase.

 

[YSCCC]

And they are still not sued and stock price rises, I bet Jensen don’t bother it by a bit

“What? Some ROP missing in 5090? Nah NVM they will still sell, see how we might secretly RMA them, don’t apologize as that will drop the stock”

 

[Gururu]

Well if they are shipping a few billion of these, probably save a lot on shipping weight with the lighter cards.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

Nearly every single scalper or reseller provides the original invoice, proof of purchase, or other such receipt needed for an RMA.

Even say they did that, which is unlikely, if the RMA solution was to provide a refund, which would probably be the method since the turnaround time would be weeks or longer, they would only get a refund for the amount on the original invoice, not the scalped price, and be left with no recourse to recoup the difference.

 

[qwertymac93]

"This chip is only 98% functional."
"Doesn't matter, ship it!"
"But won't they notice?"
"They are waiting in hours-long lines and paying 50% over MSRP already. Chinese New Year's is coming. SHIP IT!"

 

[SyCoREAPER]

Having just 10% share of the discreet GPU market, is nowhere near being in a very good position.

Relativity Fanboy .

Nobody said market share. I said where their hardware is at now. Right now it's shipping defective and catching fire. The ones that aren't are terrible performance to dollar value. That puts AMD in a good position.

 

[YSCCC]

Relativity Fanboy .

Nobody said market share. I said where their hardware is at now. Right now it's shipping defective and catching fire. The ones that aren't are terrible performance to dollar value. That puts AMD in a good position.

That being said, I bet the Radeon marketing team seeing all this unfold will change their 5070 competitor from $399 to $799

Look, we don’t burn up and have full shaders as in spec

 

[SyCoREAPER]

Who knows. No point in speculating.

I'm commenting on what I see today. Today I see a paper launch and a disastrous one at that. Its a golden opportunity for AMD.

 

[Geef]

If they are required to pay people some money back after it's found out, they should play the game to guarantee a future purchase.
Like offer 100 dollars back OR a 500 dollar discount to purchase of next gen card. (picked random numbers)

 

[thestryker]

Now it's officially confirmed to be a manufacturing failure and affects the 5070 Ti as well.

We have identified a rare issue affecting less than 0.5% (half a percent) of GeForce RTX 5090 / 5090D and 5070 Ti GPUs which have one fewer ROP than specified. The average graphical performance impact is 4%, with no impact on AI and Compute workloads. Affected consumers can contact the board manufacturer for a replacement. The production anomaly has been corrected.

https://www.theverge.com/news/617901/nvidia-confirms-rare-rtx-5090-and-5070-ti-manufacturing-issue

 

[YSCCC]

Now it's officially confirmed to be a manufacturing failure and affects the 5070 Ti as well.



https://www.theverge.com/news/617901/nvidia-confirms-rare-rtx-5090-and-5070-ti-manufacturing-issue

I wonder why 5090 and 70Ti but not 80.

Maybe it’s only someone spotted the discrepancy or they intentionally ship those out as normal hoping ppl won’t notice

 

[YSCCC]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1iv7277/my_5090_astral_caught_on_fire/?sort=new

And funny enough… an ASUS one literally burning

 

[valthuer]

Relativity Fanboy .

If calling me a fanboy helps your argument look better, it’s fine by me.

I have no allegiance. In fact, i have repeatedly opted for AMD in the past and I wouldn’t hesitate to do it again, provided they release a better high-end product than Nvidia.

Nobody said market share. I said where their hardware is at now.

True, you didn't bring up market share, but, at the end of the day, isn't that what determines which company is in a good position?

Unfortunately for all of us, Nvidia are in a position that can afford to make mistakes, because their GPUs will still fly off the shelves, like nothing happened.

Right now it's shipping defective and catching fire. The ones that aren't are terrible performance to dollar value. That puts AMD in a good position.

I recall AMD having a similarly golden opportunity two years ago: with the exception of 4090 (which was plagued by "Melt Gate"), RTX-40 series was nothing sort of garbage. And what exactly did they do with that opportunity? They positioned themselves around 10% cheaper than Nvidia in terms of rasterizing performance and were satisfied with the result.

P.S. If the reason you 're calling me a fanboy is because i was a 4090 owner, wouldn't it be fair for me to do the same? 🤣

 

[Thunder64]

If calling me a fanboy helps your argument look better, it’s fine by me.

I have no allegiance. In fact, i have repeatedly opted for AMD in the past and I wouldn’t hesitate to do it again, provided they release a better high-end product than Nvidia.



True, you didn't bring up market share, but, at the end of the day, isn't that what determines which company is in a good position?

Unfortunately for all of us, Nvidia are in a position that can afford to make mistakes, because their GPUs will still fly off the shelves, like nothing happened.



I recall AMD having a similarly golden opportunity two years ago: with the exception of 4090 (which was plagued by "Melt Gate"), RTX-40 series was nothing sort of garbage. And what exactly did they do with that opportunity? They positioned themselves around 10% cheaper than Nvidia in terms of rasterizing performance and were satisfied with the result.

P.S. If the reason you 're calling me a fanboy is because i was a 4090 owner, wouldn't it be fair for me to do the same? 🤣

You literally have an Nvidia logo as your account pic. You seem to be here to make some noise.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

With the prices folks are paying for these early cards, how does nVidia justify intentionally shipping them with less equipment / capabilities than promised (spec'd)?

nVidia might loose their shirt (or jacket) over this...

Cause they make cents on the dollar for every GB202 die they sell to consumers and make killings on selling the same die to AI server farms. Why would they ever give low margin consumer products the best dies…

However, the right thing to do as Nvidia is either list this as another variant IE: 5090L (L equals Limited) for $1799 msrp, or ask that 5090 owners register their product online with Nvidia and submit an Nvidia Inspector file proving the die they have is missing ROPs and provide a digital cash rebate equivalent to ((Total Purchase Price including tax / Advertised ROP count) * the # of missing ROPs). So if you get a $2,500 + $206 tax RTX 5090 with 8 missing ROPs then you would get $123 cash back.

 

[valthuer]

You literally have an Nvidia logo as your account pic. You seem to be here to make some noise.

I just happen to like their logo, but, in reality, I don’t give a baker’s f*** about Nvidia, or any other company, for that matter.

I don’t really care which company’s name is on the hardware i buy, as long as it’s good enough for what I need it.

 

[Thunder64]

I just happen to like their logo, but, in reality, I don’t give a baker’s f*** about Nvidia, or any other company, for that matter.

I don’t really care which company’s name is on the hardware i buy, as long as it’s good enough for what I need it.

You know no one will buy that, right?

 

[Amdlova]

@Thunder64 no one are more fanboy than me 😛

 

[acadia11]

This is a pretty nasty problem to have escaped QA. I'm not really sure it could be unintentional which makes me wonder if there were different configurations tested and somehow the wrong one ended up in production models.

Same here (I think it was $20), but I'd also bought the card knowing full well about the 3.5GB situation already.

You think they didn’t notice? Of course they know about it. Let’s walk on a journey, I create a massive GPU in terms of die size aka Blackwell. I sell the vast majority of these GPUs for tens of thousands of dollars in my AI unit which has turned my company into the most valuable commodity in the world … next to of course to the joys of a turkey sandwich with just tomato. Allocating a small percentage of my highly lucrative and valuable wafer fabrication to consumer grade gaming Blackwell GPUs that add ROP units I decide just a little loss in non-functioning ROP is acceptable considering the overall value of that wafer fabrication to my business. I must get ROI on this re-allocation of resources away from bread winner and already factored in the fallout either it goes unnoticed until I fix my manufacturing quality or at worst I take a lawsuit later. All of which is probably more cost effective than wasting chip fabrication or missing a launch date and potential impact to stock price and goodwill built up with the markets.

The short of it make no mistake Nvidia made a business decision not a mistake in quality control.

 

[valthuer]

You know no one will buy that, right?

That’s ok. I can live with this.

 

[helper800]

Even say they did that, which is unlikely, if the RMA solution was to provide a refund, which would probably be the method since the turnaround time would be weeks or longer, they would only get a refund for the amount on the original invoice, not the scalped price, and be left with no recourse to recoup the difference.

Manufacturers are usually extremely resistant to giving refunds directly and typically exhaust any and every option before doing so because its not in their interest to issue a refund

 

[helper800]

I've never bought a just-launched product from a scalper, but in 15 years I don't think I've ever had a second-hand seller proactively give me all the documentation just in case I needed it.

Have you ever asked for it?

 

[Pierce2623]

HOW is this a feature ? its not.. the 5090, should come with that its spec'd at, which looks to be 176, any less, and it isnt a 5090 that some one paid for...

Somebody replied before reading a whole comment

 

[InvalidError]

Nvidia launches the RTX5090, people receive the RTX5085 instead.

 

[diminishedfifth]

You know they're just gonna deny anything and everything.
Looks like getting a 4090 last year was a good idea l