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[citation][nom]vsgm[/nom]How can any one sure Sony for Removal of Linux Support From PS3? I mean it's there product rite?[/citation]
It is "their" product, but they sold it to "you" and having done that they remove something that they used to help "sell" the product to you.
It is like buying a car that can do 160mph, until one day you take it to the dealer and get it back only able to do 90mph because the car company "decided" that was now a good speed for the car. They would get their butts sued right off of them.
Same logic here, despite what Sony's EULA might say about it.
It is "their" product, but they sold it to "you" and having done that they remove something that they used to help "sell" the product to you.
It is like buying a car that can do 160mph, until one day you take it to the dealer and get it back only able to do 90mph because the car company "decided" that was now a good speed for the car. They would get their butts sued right off of them.
Same logic here, despite what Sony's EULA might say about it.
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[citation][nom]Tomtompiper[/nom]The PS3 was sold as a Games console that could play Blu-Ray and run Linux. Sony have removed part of it's original advertised functionality, they are in breach of laws in Europe and may be in breach of laws in the US, it is for the court to decide not you.[/citation]
If you read the fine print I am sure it mentions the fact that SONY can change the operating system functions as it pleases. Thank you very much.
If you read the fine print I am sure it mentions the fact that SONY can change the operating system functions as it pleases. Thank you very much.
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Kudos! I hope this teaches Sony a lesson. As it is, I don't and will not ever own a Play Station console.
[citation][nom]nebun[/nom]If you read the fine print I am sure it mentions the fact that SONY can change the operating system functions as it pleases. Thank you very much.[/citation]
Again, saying they can in an EULA does not make it cut and dried "legal." EULA's also state that "if any provision is found to be un-enforcable all other provisions remain in effect" which is included because EULA's have very little testing in the legal arena.
Again, saying they can in an EULA does not make it cut and dried "legal." EULA's also state that "if any provision is found to be un-enforcable all other provisions remain in effect" which is included because EULA's have very little testing in the legal arena.
If only the people who truly bought a ps3 because of linux was in the lawsuite, I would say it is justified. Now every kid who wants and extra 20 bucks to buy a new game is going to sign up for the lawsuite. Sony will probably have to take the money out of their customer service budget or their research and developement budget and the bottom feeding, scumbag, blood sucking, blackmailing lawyer will be an instant multi multi multi millionare over night.
People don't realize that in a class action lawsuite, the reward could be $10.00 for each person which really amounts to nothing, but then the lawyers walk away with almost the same amount for each individual which means millions upon millions if enough people are involved.
From time to time, I get letters in the mail asking me to be in a class action lawsuite over something I knew nothing about and could really care less, but they promise me 40 or 50 dollars. I throw it away and if everybody did the same thing, the lawyers would get nothing.
People don't realize that in a class action lawsuite, the reward could be $10.00 for each person which really amounts to nothing, but then the lawyers walk away with almost the same amount for each individual which means millions upon millions if enough people are involved.
From time to time, I get letters in the mail asking me to be in a class action lawsuite over something I knew nothing about and could really care less, but they promise me 40 or 50 dollars. I throw it away and if everybody did the same thing, the lawyers would get nothing.
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[citation][nom]Simonetti[/nom]Well, in that case, I am all for the lawsuit!OTOH, apart from very specific scenarios, like the military, why not use a regular, cheap PC? Even in the case of the military, I believe it would be a lot better and simpler for them if they where using nVidia's CUDA technology, rather than a bunch of PS3.A PS3 is a gaming device. Using it for Linux usage is like using a sports car for doing a truck's job. It will work, but at what price?[/citation]
The price of a cheap pc exceeds the price of a ps3, the gpu needed to equal the ps3 is $300 alone not including the motherboard,cpu,ram,case and power supply.
The way a ps3 cell and the way it can work with rsx no pc can match that power for that price.
The cpu's in a pc alone do not have the computational power of a ps3 it can do certain computations and much much faster speeds, you can't go by speed of equal cpu's does not work that way and cuda does not network to share loads like the ps3 cluster can,it can locally on hardware but not on a network.
The price of a cheap pc exceeds the price of a ps3, the gpu needed to equal the ps3 is $300 alone not including the motherboard,cpu,ram,case and power supply.
The way a ps3 cell and the way it can work with rsx no pc can match that power for that price.
The cpu's in a pc alone do not have the computational power of a ps3 it can do certain computations and much much faster speeds, you can't go by speed of equal cpu's does not work that way and cuda does not network to share loads like the ps3 cluster can,it can locally on hardware but not on a network.
Sony locked the gpu for use with linux and therefore making linux very limited from the begining.
Everybody wants to jump on the bandwagon but they dont even realize that sony did this because someone had found a hack on the PS3 using the "other operating system" and sony was just removing linux altogether before it got out of hand.
Everybody wants to jump on the bandwagon but they dont even realize that sony did this because someone had found a hack on the PS3 using the "other operating system" and sony was just removing linux altogether before it got out of hand.
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This is the dumbest thing EVER. No one used the feature anyways. Someone is looking for a quick buck. And I hope Sony does pay them back the $1 that feature was worth, and then the person is out $1000s in legal costs. Serve them right.
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[citation][nom]kiniku[/nom]My fat PS3 is collecting dust now because I bought it to run Linux. I really hope Sony loses this.[/citation]
You are are either a liar or just uninformed. The Linux functionality for the PS3 was so limited anyways a much cheaper PC could do more.
You are are either a liar or just uninformed. The Linux functionality for the PS3 was so limited anyways a much cheaper PC could do more.
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as a PS3 owner I have to agree to this law suit, I paid for a system
with a set of functions Whether I use or not it should be my choice, and not the product maker (sony).
What would be next? taking out the ability to play movies on DVD's
just because they are not BluRays?
I know this sounds stupid, but is just like they did by taking out the
other OS support.
with a set of functions Whether I use or not it should be my choice, and not the product maker (sony).
What would be next? taking out the ability to play movies on DVD's
just because they are not BluRays?
I know this sounds stupid, but is just like they did by taking out the
other OS support.
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[citation][nom]techguy911[/nom]The price of a cheap pc exceeds the price of a ps3, the gpu needed to equal the ps3 is $300 alone not including the motherboard,cpu,ram,case and power supply. [/citation]
Actually the equivalent gpu is worth around $80.00 at the moment.
Actually the equivalent gpu is worth around $80.00 at the moment.
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Too funny. You can have Linux on your old HDD partition as long as you don't upgrade the Firmware. I'm not a lawyer, but the rules governing software as far less restrictive than hardware. Other OS is a software emulation program, not a physical hardware modification.
@techguy. The CellBroadband Engine is not a GPU. GPU's are for great for graphic intensive situations, not mathematical calculations in the tera-flop range.
The USAF and other research facilities have them linked together as a private server. Some of them only used the boards and made their own proprietary OS's.
You can buy a cheap HDD for $40 bucks and keep your older firmware on it that supports "Other OS". I can almost guarantee with 98% certainty that most of the people who used the Linux on their PS3 still have it on a separate HDD. The people supporting the lawsuit probably have little intention in using the feature they're complaining about.
@whoever about the EULA. You're right about most EULA's being junk and not law abiding. Some of them are fairly well written though. Especially SONY's. We will see what happens as time goes on. Sadly, most companies find it cheaper to settle a lawsuit than fight it.
@techguy. The CellBroadband Engine is not a GPU. GPU's are for great for graphic intensive situations, not mathematical calculations in the tera-flop range.
The USAF and other research facilities have them linked together as a private server. Some of them only used the boards and made their own proprietary OS's.
You can buy a cheap HDD for $40 bucks and keep your older firmware on it that supports "Other OS". I can almost guarantee with 98% certainty that most of the people who used the Linux on their PS3 still have it on a separate HDD. The people supporting the lawsuit probably have little intention in using the feature they're complaining about.
@whoever about the EULA. You're right about most EULA's being junk and not law abiding. Some of them are fairly well written though. Especially SONY's. We will see what happens as time goes on. Sadly, most companies find it cheaper to settle a lawsuit than fight it.
[citation][nom]tenor77[/nom]If you bought it at futureshop you'll have to start your own lawsuit. This is a US lawsuit that may influence Candian courts but would not apply to Candian owners.[/citation]
Yes, I know, I seriously doubt there will be a Canadian law suit, and I don't use linux on any platform, let alone the PS3, so it's not bothered me. I still haven't been able to activate my DivX support on my PS3... lol. I use my PS3 regularly, my XBox360, not since before Christmas. I know which is the better platform. I think Sony's just protecting it's economic interests, possibly to prevent hacking the console, if the console's easily hacked then developers may move away for fear of privacy, that's a serious reason for getting rid of it to protect Sony's ability to sell consoles and titles.
Yes, I know, I seriously doubt there will be a Canadian law suit, and I don't use linux on any platform, let alone the PS3, so it's not bothered me. I still haven't been able to activate my DivX support on my PS3... lol. I use my PS3 regularly, my XBox360, not since before Christmas. I know which is the better platform. I think Sony's just protecting it's economic interests, possibly to prevent hacking the console, if the console's easily hacked then developers may move away for fear of privacy, that's a serious reason for getting rid of it to protect Sony's ability to sell consoles and titles.
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Sorry Folks they have no chance of winning this lawsuit. If you read their disclaimer they state right in it that they have the right to do whatever they want with the system software. Case dismissed.............
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