Stress Test MK II

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They changed the PS. If you look at the mesh wraps around the wires you will see the new Intel one has a light colored thread spiralling through the mess. It was all black before.

I can not track down what it is. It has a phiryte ring around the wires at the top. It looks to be black or dark red and has 2 80mm fans. I have a fealing we will just have to wait for their update.
 
I don't think anyone can say the Intel CPU isn't one fast SOB but all that performance comes at a hell of a price!

IMHO I think we should ignore this as a performance test and just look at it as a reliability test. It's hardly been set to get the most out those machines.

Running several PCs with different workloads would be a good idea.

Oh, and I'm not saying that the P4 is faster than the X2, or visa-versa, there are many benchmarks out there that'll tell you which is faster, in which application.

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<font color=green>AMD</font color=green> Athlon64, Abit AV8.
<font color=blue>Intel</font color=blue> Dual PIII, Asus P2B-DS.
<font color=blue>VIA</font color=blue> Epia M9000.
<font color=red>I</font color=red><font color=green>B</font color=green><font color=blue>M</font color=blue> Thinkpad 570E.
 
> I wish they'd give up on showing a honest test, and just put
> water on that biatch

Disgree. This chip is supposed to run with aircooling, not watercooling. If (big if still) it doesn't work with appropriate air cooling, just stop the test already, and let intel recall its chip. FWIW, I figure the 1.13 GHz P3 also worked just fine with watercooling.

>Anyway, what we need now are more then Intel based tests. We
> need a system running for several days with 1 program, 2
>programs, 4 programs and say...8 programs. To get a better
>overall feel for multitasking performance.

IMO this isn't about performance. Honestly, no one cares how any system performs while encoding a DVD to mpeg time after time, AND encoding hundres of CDs to MP3 AND playing a game nonstop AND compressing a few GB with winrar all at the same time. Gimme a break. This test was simply designed to let the P4 EE shine with its quad thread capability, but oh how it backfired !

But there are plenty of reviews out there that give an adequate picture of how these cpu's perform while running somewhat more real world scenario's. If you must test 4 high load thread performance, run a multithreaded 3D render or something possibly while playing a game. At least *someone* might ever do that.

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A lot of people use the boxed coolers that comes with Intel's CPUs are they work very well. It is a lot more expensive to get a better cooler, and most do not improve the cooling. They have to be able to run air cooled or this CPU will get recalled.

The other thing is this P-EE like all their EE chips are marketted as "enthusiast" chips and cost a boatload. Adding the cost of a second graphics card is quite justifiable for a system with a CPU already costing over $1000. Dell's 380 workstation adds $1300 to the cost of the 2.8Ghz P4 it replaces. This is likely the cost of extra cooling, a better power supply, and possibly a differant motherboard.

Yes for real world testing this batch of 4 programs is not anything like a realistic sinario. Anand had it right running a game with DVD Shrink. If my system could handle it, I would be doing just that many a time. 😀
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Todd_a on 06/08/05 10:36 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
Can anyone remember if there was a reboot of the Intel machine at the start of that idle period indicated on the 24 hour chart? If so, that would make 3 reboots, not 2...

Oh, and since when is 9am to 5pm 24 hours?

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<font color=green>AMD</font color=green> Athlon64, Abit AV8.
<font color=blue>Intel</font color=blue> Dual PIII, Asus P2B-DS.
<font color=blue>VIA</font color=blue> Epia M9000.
<font color=red>I</font color=red><font color=green>B</font color=green><font color=blue>M</font color=blue> Thinkpad 570E.
 
Disgree. This chip is supposed to run with aircooling, not watercooling. If (big if still) it doesn't work with appropriate air cooling, just stop the test already, and let intel recall its chip.
IMHO it's overheating and crashing, which seems to be the general consensis. Not everyone would say that, but i imagine the greater %age would. Now, in following that line of thought, if someone here were to purchase one of the PD's, would they use the stock hsf? Nah, they'd buy something they could attempt to OC with, so I thought wc'n would be the way to go, not to mention it would rule out overheating as an issue in regard to the stability of the system. It might also tell us if it was an issue with the new nf chipsets.

IMO this isn't about performance. Honestly, no one cares how any system performs while encoding a DVD to mpeg time after time, AND encoding hundres of CDs to MP3 AND playing a game nonstop AND compressing a few GB with winrar all at the same time. Gimme a break. This test was simply designed to let the P4 EE shine with its quad thread capability, but oh how it backfired !
As a server it could end up in a similar multitasking environment. LOL, ok maybe not <i>that</i> similar...but for instance, we had a user base of around 120 people and the server was a dual 266 pII or zeon I don't remember, it was two jobs ago. We used this as our email and file server. Obviously there wasn't ever a time where all 120 people were logged in at once and sending/receiving mail, but in an instance where 40-80 people are all getting there mail first thing in the morning, that is an instance where a dual or quad processor would have exceled. There are always people that are trying to get the most out of their equipment in the cheapest possible way (ie not buying a second machine to take on the xtra load).

F@H:
AMD: [64 3000+][2500+][2000+ down][1.3x2][366]
Intel: [X 3.0x3][P4 3.0x2][P4 2.4x5 down][P4 1.4]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
 
>Now, in following that line of thought, if someone here were
>to purchase one of the PD's, would they use the stock hsf?

I don't think intel should sell it in the first place, if it doesn't work as advertised (indeed *IF*), so with aircooling, using motherboards specced for the TDP is has, etc. If it doesn't work under those circumstances, its an overclocked chip, not a 3.2 GHZ part. It would be like AMD selling a 3.2 GHz A64 that possibly maybe works with phase change cooling, or otherwise needs to be clocked lower. Would you pay more for that than for a stock FX55/57 ?

>As a server it could end up in a similar multitasking
>environment. LOL, ok maybe not that similar..

Indeed, not similar AT ALL. There really is nothing media encoding performance (mostly SSE, FP and bandwith dependant)let alone gaming performance will tell you how these chips will perform under typical server workloads (mostly integer code and latency sensitive), even if both are threaded. If you want to know how well these chips perform under those loads, read any Xeon and Opteron server review and you will know.

BTW, I hope you are not suggesting watercooled servers, are you ?

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P4 goes on the attack...sigh.

I don't think intel should sell it in the first place, if it doesn't work as advertised (indeed *IF*), so with aircooling, using motherboards specced for the TDP is has, etc. If it doesn't work under those circumstances, its an overclocked chip, not a 3.2 GHZ part. It would be like AMD selling a 3.2 GHz A64 that possibly maybe works with phase change cooling, or otherwise needs to be clocked lower. Would you pay more for that than for a stock FX55/57 ?
Ok...I'm not considering buying this product, i'm not saying that other people should buy it, i haven't said either way whether this product should be sold or not. The ONLY thing i wanted to find out, was how well it would do in an environment where it would work. That's it. I'm not making any statements about whether or not this is a viable solution for for the average user or advanced user. Way to take things out of context.


BTW, I hope you are not suggesting watercooled servers, are you ?
? No need to be a dick. The water cooling was for the sake of the experiment.

F@H:
AMD: [64 3000+][2500+][2000+ down][1.3x2][366]
Intel: [X 3.0x3][P4 3.0x2][P4 2.4x5 down][P4 1.4]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
 
Someone shutoff. guess who?

the Intel camera angle changed got a picture of the whole thing. There is a red powersupply but I cant read what brand it is.

now I see an arm and a blue sleeve<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by liquidpaper007 on 06/08/05 12:25 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
I'm not attacking, relax, you'll notice when i really do 😀

>The ONLY thing i wanted to find out, was how well it would >do
> in an environment where it would work. That's it.

I think they should first establish wether or not it does work now, and if it proves it doesn't, indeed, find out why. Watercooling could be a way to eliminate or confirm heat as the cause, but I see no point in keeping the test going if it does, because to keep it "fair" then, they should also apply watercooling and overclocking to the X2, since the 840EE will have proven itselve to be an overclocked cpu.

Anyway, main issue for me is that this can't be considered a very interesting performance test. I was thinking it wouldn't be a meaningfull stability test either, because I (optimisticaly) expected both systems to be fully stable from a hardware POV, and expected no more than an extremely rare glitch caused by bit flips in ram or software bugs or whatever, but I never expected *this* catastrophy.

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I see a foot half way through the Intel system.....uh oh!

<font color=white>JK!</font color=white>

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
 
Yep uptime now 13 minutes. It did last an hour or two didn't it ? Quite impressive stability <g>

Reboot counter still stands at 2 though, but I figure they update that manually, not expecting it to be this much work. This is becoming a stress test for the reset button on the P4 rig !

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and now its offline and being worked on.. oh my

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HSF is back on with a hand attached to it! Oh wait, the hand is putting it back on! :tongue:

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
 
Yeah, but I'd like to see it run four threads at once! ......... What's this you say, the 840EE isn't running any now? Ah, fu<b></b>ck you, Intel, bring back the original Pentium!

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
 
LOL, yup....at least it's still facing the computer though, not off in some other direction.

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.