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As always, you seem to miss the point of multitasking. Not that I'm suprprised, you haven't understood much else either.

The CPU doesn't understand what a heavy task is. All it recives is commands from the os, it returns the data to the os kernel, the kernel distributes the data to the correct progrem, etc. It's impossible for a CPU to see what process that is giving orders.

And about CPU fault, the only design fault I've seen here is you, and if I have one regret here in my life, it is that I didn't tell your parents about birth control.
 
True P4Man. In time the business market will demand the better case so BTX will win over those soup tin style cases in the office and quality concerned home buyer.

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It's actually a good format, but it's useless to switch now because it's not THAT much better than ATX for Intel and not better at all for AMD. If there was a decision between BTX and ATX for a new format to adopt, BTX would win, but ATX is already very well established and the differences simply aren't worth it.

Dell and HP should be 1/3rd BTX by Q3 I heard, I'll try to back that up though. There is interest in it, but too much would have to change for too little.

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Vapor on 06/07/05 04:07 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
lol

F@H:
AMD: [64 3000+][2500+][2000+ down][1.3x2][366]
Intel: [X 3.0x3][P4 3.0x2][P4 2.4x5 down][P4 1.4]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL Time
 
I want to see some 4400+ vs. 840 non-EE action....as that's more in my price range (I already made my decision up, but whatever). I'm sure it's also in a lot more other people's price range.

EDIT: sorry apesoccer for the random reply, but you were last so I did it kind of out of habit from other forums.

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Vapor on 06/07/05 04:17 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
Yeah, I've alredy decided for a 4400+ long ago.

Anyways, got to go, but I'll be back for more battling with troll(s) tomorrow.
 
>It's actually a good format, but it's useless to switch now
>because it's not THAT much better than ATX for Intel and not
>better at all for AMD.

Its next to worthless. Its time to rethink the entire design drastically. The issue is not a few more cubic inches of space around the cpu, among the real problems BTX doesn't solve are things like videocards that suck up as much power as the cpu, yet have no thermal room whatsoever, and no caseflow *at all*. For crying out load, the videocard(s) is/are even positioned upside down, completely isolated from the airflow in the case, and that while heat goes up ! BTX solves next to nothing, its only a PITA for the guys making the cases and power supplies. I talked to them, I suggest you do the same to hear the real complaints. An nVidia engineer flatout told me they and ATI pushed for a more radical design but intel strongarmed the consortium to adopt its BTX standard. No one is happy with it, no wonder it has no support, and not even oems are using this. Surely at least they would jump on it if it gave them even the slightest advantage ?

BTX is obsolete before its even really out.

Next please.


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I honestly completely forgot about graphics cards when I was talking about BTX....good call.

I imagine it would still be good in a budget system with a crappy vidcard, no?

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
 
I have no doubt that THG replaced the board for heat reasons (combined from the NF4I and the PDEE), but the board they replaced it with isn't making it fair....this is supposed to be a stress test. SLI or Crossfire is pretty much required for a legit stress test and now it's non-existent in this test...they should have kept the hot board, it still worked, after all, and stuck with it.

Oh yeah, did you forget how to say sh<b></b>it? None of that crazy | stuff here!

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
 
I would think so, too....but it is an engineering sample (never know what you get there...a modified throttling table, maybe). The board could also be reading the wrong temps, though I'm sure they're close. Anyway, I'm sure the CPU can take it, but can the surrounding components?

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
 
Sure, but whats the point ? It wouldn't be better or worse than ATX, or even AT or XT for that matter. I could probably design an equally good form factor pretty much randomly for such a system, but considering the (very) limited offer of BTX motherboards, cases and PSU's, especially for a low end system it just wouldn't make economical sense.

With ~60W TDP cpu's on the horizon even from Intel and (2x)120W GPU's, if anything, BTX is a step in the wrong direction.

= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
 
With ~60W TDP cpu's on the horizon even from Intel and (2x)120W GPU's, if anything, BTX is a step in the wrong direction.
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Agreed, but when Intel was designing BTX, they didn't listen to the GPU companies (as you said) and just went ahead, planning for more cooling emphasis on the CPU (which they didn't know would not need the cooling in the future as NetBurst was a bust). Not saying it's right, but they planned for what they could predict. They didn't know ATi and nV needed more cooling and they thought they would need more.

As for the econoboxes, if an OEM could save on cooling (possible, though doubtful), the other categories wouldn't make too much of a difference, that and it would make Intel happy, which would probably give them a discount.

For dealing with only a hot CPU, it's no doubt better than ATX, but (as you've brought up) there's a lot more to it than that now.

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
 
> They didn't know ATi and nV needed more cooling and they
>thought they would need more.

LOL! Of course they did. even *I* knew. Read this:
<A HREF="http://www.aceshardware.com/read_news.jsp?id=65000393" target="_new">http://www.aceshardware.com/read_news.jsp?id=65000393</A>
This caused quite a bit of consternation back then, mails back and forth from nVidia who didn't like me saying that.. even though its just what an nVidia chief engineer told me. Well, a couple years later, was I wrong ? Sure enough, we haven't seen 120W cards yet (unless you count SLI), and you know why ? cause you just can't cool it in todays form factors.

nVidia knew, and obviously intel knew because ATI and nVidia told them they needed higher thermal budgets.

= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
 
>Then why the [-peep-] did Intel ignore them and went with the
>design of BTX we have today?

Good question. Lets see what BTX really brings for intel:
- it solved some long standing (though mostly minor) issues with ATX. No doubt, its not *worse* than ATX
- it provides the cpu with a quite a bit more of thermal space, something intel desperatly needed with Prescott around the corner.
-its new, requires new MB, its legacy free and all that, simply means people will have to upgrade. Upgrading is good, sells more motherboard/cpus/chipsets/..
- it moved the RAM slots quite far from the cpu. make no mistake, this is not a random side effect, it was quite deliberate to make BTX hard to implement with ODMC (AMD). This will come back and bite them I hope.

There is nothing in there to dislike for intel, so they went forward. Why didn't they accomodate the increasing needs for the GPU ? Simply because you can't have your cake and eat it. Space is restricted, and intel reserved most of that for its own. Moreover, dramatically improving this would require a design that would no longer be backwards compatible with existing cards, and apparently intel wasn't willing to go that far. We will have to sooner or later, but BTX just seems like a stopgap until CTX or whatever really addresses these issues.

= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
 
Don't fool yourself.

There is already hybrid cases that are both BTX and ATX able. BTX is a great standard and will be successful, but it will just take that little longer to get to the market whilst the AMD community keeps technology behind yet again.

I think due to the AMD user base being mostly teenagers, their expenditure is limited for upgrades, making AMD a focus or polarising to the problem of the 'inability to follow technology.'

We heard the same thing about AMD users cry about how bad PCIe was regarding saving their AGP slot. Now they finally have that option they think it’s great. They say DDR2 is a waste of time, etc. The list goes on. Now we have others saying skip next technology for the third generation so they can retain their current old tech. AMD users are a problem to the computer industry.

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>Don't fool yourself.

I don't, I fully realize I'm feeding a troll.

>BTX is a great standard and will be successful

Who the F* cares ? Epia Mini ETX may be just as succesfull, does that mean I'd better not buy a P4, or that intel is holding back the industry? Its a form factor, big deal. I personnaly think yellow cases and purple motherboards will be the next big technological revolution, that is unless intels tasteless userbase holds us all back.

>I think due to the AMD user base being mostly teenagers

LOL. Yeah, I think so too!

>We heard the same thing about AMD users cry about how bad
>PCIe was regarding saving their AGP slot. Now they finally
>have that option they think it’s great. They say DDR2 is a
>waste of time, etc. The list goes on. Now we have others
>saying skip next technology for the third generation so they
> can retain their current old tech. AMD users are a problem
>to the computer industry.

We heard the same thing too about RDRAM, and AMD held us all hostage so we now use cheap and fast DDR and DDR2 instead. Poor us. Then AMD refused to let x86 die so instead of using overpriced underperforming overheating uncompatible Itanium deskops we are now stuck with these dreaded A64's and soon Yonah, merom etc. Poor us !

Then we heard the same thing about 64 bit, AMD users didn't see the point, and now windows is here, they jump all over it.. oh wait.. not. Retry. We heard the same thing about SOI and how cooler running didn't matter squat until.. oh no drat.. wait, what about ODMC ? Hmmm.. no. Point to point interconnects ? Damn, no.. oh well, I'm sure you're right anyway. The world would have been so much better without competition. We would have at least enjoyed our 130W, $2500 1 GHz Itaniums using $1.000 per GB RDRAM running all our apps under emulation at Pentium II speeds. And in a shiny yellow BTX case ! Damn you AMD and your cash starved teen age market ! Porkster, you make some good points !

= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
 
Ok loser.. you are either Arnold, kinney, spacedonkey, AMDMeltdown, and I forget some other losers at their time that try to do a comeback.

But I accept you, seriously. You are like the idiot in the asylum yard asking to peoples outside the fence if there is many other in there.. Since I have great respect for disabled peoples, I give you the full right to be here.

What's funny, I'm sure that you are playing a game. Nobody can be that idiot. I dont have any problem, but I'll ask you, at the end of that comedy, to post a warning to inform others that all that you said was bullshit and misleading information and no information from you should be taken. This could put some other newbie in big embarassement!!

So, keep doing what you are doing best..

<font color=red>Sig space for rent. make your offer.</font color=red>
 
[Must get that pig fatter]
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Hmmm, you must learn to do proper stealth text. Choosing a fixed-width font doesn't hide a damn thing.























































<font color=white>You know, like this.

"Yah, that's Porkster. He's [-peep-] for brains."
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<i>"Intel's ICH6R SouthBridge, now featuring RAID -1"

"RAID-minus-one?"

"Yeah. You have two hard drives, neither of which can actually boot."</i>
 
Intel is using traditional northbridge, which is SLOW, and 40 years old technology !

AMD is using HyperTransport, and Hypertransport improves performance MUCH more than pci-e !

AMD had SLI pci-e MB's MUCH before Intel !!

AMD invented 64bit x86 CPU's, which makes 64bit computing affordable !
 
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